Samsung Galaxy Note 9

[tonybarnaby]

If you didn’t need a new line to get the bogo then every single customer would basically get 2 phones and would sell one. The market would be flooded with them.

 

[Grimham]

I've always liked everythingapplepro's comparisons, he doesn't have bias considering he's an Apple guy. His test are reasonably thorough and use common apps, his photoshop tests emphasize the advantage the iphone has with its custom soc.

What I did find interesting is the result considering the supposed huge advantage the apple soc is supposed to have, the result doesn't match the advantage show using benchmarks.

These test really show how irrelevant benchmark tests are on their own, ala tomsguide.

The Note 9 is a beast of a phone in all departments, it's almost tempting but I'll still plod along with the Note 8 for a while.

Bring on more tests with exynos and the 8gb model.

edit, found a vs from Vietnam with the exynos...

Sadly though, he needs to do a real benchmark test that tests all the hardware of the phone. You will see then that the Note 9 outperforms the X.

CPU is not everything to benchmarks. Even my S9+ blows away my X I currently have in responsiveness.
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Samsung fans are so arrogant. If you say anything negative to them they will downvote you to death (Reddit)

I had nearly every galaxy at launch. Last year was the first time in ages I didn’t buy one. It was also my first iPhone. I don’t care what anyone says, this is not the phone to get if you want YEARS out of it. If you only want it until the note 10 or something in 2019 then I get it, but people keep talking about how future proof this phone is and all that, but I just think a lot of people who buy it intending on keeping it for years will buy the note 10 if it has 5g. Speeds are fast now, but 5g could change a lot of how we use our phones. I also think the 4000mah battery will not be all that it’s cracked up to be. The 3600mah s7 edge had very good battery life, but it couldn’t compare to the cheaper midrange battery king phones like the z play. If this was really a “gaming phone that has it all” it needed 5000mah. I’m sure the complaints will come pouring in from kids who can’t play fortnite for more than X amount of hours before it dies. I give Samsung a lot of credit, though. On paper it’s pretty hard to question this phone unless you despise Samsung and couldn’t go in with an open mind. Some people (mostly stock android fanatics) couldn’t possibly allow themselves to like a Samsung product “because touchwiz lag bro”, but it’s so much better now than it was. I just think the 512gb monster should also have been given a 5000mah battery. It also makes me think about how long a 4000mah iPhone would last. A light user could probably stretch it 4 days or more on a single charge. Apple will never go that route, though.

The 4k Note 9 battery is already proving to be the best one out of all phones. I see just the same from iPhone owners on REDDIT down voting you for stating the facts which they don't like against their precious iPhones. The Note 9 even the 8 is a 4 year phone and will easily last that.

 

[FFR]

Well, not every carrier is doing a BOGO, and the ones that do require you add a new line of service. If it was Samsung, they wouldn’t care if you added a new line or not, plus it would be available across the board, including unlocked models.

If it was the carrier they wouldn’t care what phone you chose as long as you added another line.

These note 9 bogos are being offered on all carriers and only offers Samsung phones.

 

[spinedoc77]

It's a marketing strategy, people feel more inclined to buy if they feel it's on sale. Also, it helps them move more inventory with the included accessories, you can bet they are still making a decent profit even while including the free headset, and the bogos are partially offset by the carriers, that why most require you to open a new line.

Yeah I definitely agree, but it's also fascinating to watch a company like Huawei catch up so quickly, yet I don't think I see their phones so deeply discounted as Samsung phones, nor sold with as many freebies. Samsung flagship phones are literally LESS THAN HALF price at launch if you factor in the BOGO sale and all the freebies you get with them. I still think there is room for them to drop the price and see more sales. Everyone blames Samsung's declining sales on the lack of innovation with this years models, but I think much of it has to do with the increasing prices as well.
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If it was the carrier they wouldn’t care what phone you chose as long as you added another line.

These note 9 bogos are being offered on all carriers and only offers Samsung phones.

Yep, keep in mind that Samsung themselves frequently offer BOGO's on these flagship phones. I'm not sure if they are, or will this time around, but they definitely have in the past. So a Samsung BOGO with all the freebies seems like a big loss for them, or is the profit margin on these phones that big?

 

[FFR]

Yeah I definitely agree, but it's also fascinating to watch a company like Huawei catch up so quickly, yet I don't think I see their phones so deeply discounted as Samsung phones, nor sold with as many freebies. Samsung flagship phones are literally LESS THAN HALF price at launch if you factor in the BOGO sale and all the freebies you get with them. I still think there is room for them to drop the price and see more sales. Everyone blames Samsung's declining sales on the lack of innovation with this years models, but I think much of it has to do with the increasing prices as well.
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Yep, keep in mind that Samsung themselves frequently offer BOGO's on these flagship phones. I'm not sure if they are, or will this time around, but they definitely have in the past. So a Samsung BOGO with all the freebies seems like a big loss for them, or is the profit margin on these phones that big?

Huawei really seems to be on fire. No discounts no bogos, they price their phones accordingly and offer customers what the want, triple cameras on the back, edge to edge displays with a notch. No curved infinity displays, big batteries etc..

Samsung on the other hand is definitely paying for the bogos and the freebies. It’s a loss factored into their marketing budget on the balance sheet.

No the profit margins are skewed by the fact that Samsung also supplies components to these phones, such as ram, processor, display, battery, storage, and camera sensor.
Not to mention assembling the units in their own factories with their own work force.

It really cuts into Samsung’s profit as can be seen on their last quarterly report, with warnings that this will affect profits going forward.

 

[Fernandez21]

If it was the carrier they wouldn’t care what phone you chose as long as you added another line.

These note 9 bogos are being offered on all carriers and only offers Samsung phones.

That's why I said partially, I don't think Samsung would be soley responsible or else you would be able to get that type of deal on an unlocked model. Also, the at&t BOGO isn't available if you order through Samsung, only Verizon. T-Mobile and Sprint don't have a BOGO at launch.

 

[samplez]

Huawei really seems to be on fire. No discounts no bogos, they price their phones accordingly and offer customers what the want, triple cameras on the back, edge to edge displays with a notch. No curved infinity displays, big batteries etc..

Samsung on the other hand is definitely paying for the bogos and the freebies. It’s a loss factored into their marketing budget on the balance sheet.

No the profit margins are skewed by the fact that Samsung also supplies components to these phones, such as ram, processor, display, battery, storage, and camera sensor.
Not to mention assembling the units in their own factories with their own work force.

It really cuts into Samsung’s profit as can be seen on their last quarterly report, with warnings that this will affect profits going forward.

You get what you pay for with these Chinese brands. Just because something has the same 4000 mah battery, doesn't mean it'll perform the same, just because it has 3 cameras doesn't mean it'll take better photos. Frankly, looking at these videos I cringe at the bad quality of the huwai photos. Samsung has quality components with real R&D being pumped into them as apple followers know first hand... their phones are basically all Samsung components.

Battery Comparison

Camera Comparison

 

[tonybarnaby]

Sadly though, he needs to do a real benchmark test that tests all the hardware of the phone. You will see then that the Note 9 outperforms the X.

CPU is not everything to benchmarks. Even my S9+ blows away my X I currently have in responsiveness.
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The 4k Note 9 battery is already proving to be the best one out of all phones. I see just the same from iPhone owners on REDDIT down voting you for stating the facts which they don't like against their precious iPhones. The Note 9 even the 8 is a 4 year phone and will easily last that.

There are no 4 year androids cause none of them offer support for that long.

 

[sunking101]

By text extraction do you mean ocr?

Yes. It's really helpful when you cannot copy & paste something.

 

[torana355]

Well if you were in Australia or Singapore, Samsung was selling the 512 8gb for the price of the 128/6.

But I know what you mean since your not going to use the Spen, note 9 was basically a s9 plus you have had since March. Meh.

Yeah I pre ordered the Note 9 and got the 512gb version no extra charge and the Galaxy Tab A. Such a great deal!!

 

[FFR]

That's why I said partially, I don't think Samsung would be soley responsible or else you would be able to get that type of deal on an unlocked model. Also, the at&t BOGO isn't available if you order through Samsung, only Verizon. T-Mobile and Sprint don't have a BOGO at launch.

No im pretty sure Samsung are solely responsible, especially for the deals at launch.

Carriers don’t want to sell an unlocked model, unless you pay , sometimes more than retail and/or an unlocking fee.
Unlocked doesn’t really fit the carriers business model.

Bogos:
Att

Verizon

Half off deals
Sprint

T-Mobile

 

[FFR]

You get what you pay for with these Chinese brands. Just because something has the same 4000 mah battery, doesn't mean it'll perform the same, just because it has 3 cameras doesn't mean it'll take better photos. Frankly, looking at these videos I cringe at the bad quality of the huwai photos. Samsung has quality components with real R&D being pumped into them as apple followers know first hand... their phones are basically all Samsung components.

Battery Comparison

Camera Comparison

Cool story.

Not really interested in Huawei, but that doesn’t stem the fact that they are selling very well.

 

[nrvna76]

They say that twice a year, every year......

Do they? I really only watch reviews for the Note line as that’s the only phone that I might consider switching for. Just feels like I might get more functionality out of the device and the Note 7 didn’t exactly have time to lag.. but I hadn’t heard a reviewer talk about lag.

As a constant iPhone user I read reviews and forum posts but never pull the trigger as I can’t afford multiple phones.

The typical forum argument is that galaxy phones lag after 6 months, then some say that was true up until the 8.. then I see Flossy (arguably a Samsung apologist) say that the 8 lagged but the 9 doesn’t. lol, trying to wade through to the truth.

 

[Cryates]

Mr Mobile review is out

 

[Sevanw]

No im pretty sure Samsung are solely responsible, especially for the deals at launch.

Carriers don’t want to sell an unlocked model, unless you pay , sometimes more than retail and/or an unlocking fee.
Unlocked doesn’t really fit the carriers business model.

Bogos:
Att

Verizon

Half off deals
Sprint

T-Mobile

Good grief, what in the world drives you to this? I can't believe you're still at. Trying to minimize Samsung and the Note 9 in any which way you can. Why does it matter to you who's giving the discount? Do you somehow feel validated with Apple having the largest margins with the least in return to the customer. Does this make you proud in some way? Are you happy to pay premium prices for hardware that's not even top of its class? Dang, you gotta start demanding more for your money.

 

[FFR]

Do they? I really only watch reviews for the Note line as that’s the only phone that I might consider switching for. Just feels like I might get more functionality out of the device and the Note 7 didn’t exactly have time to lag.. but I hadn’t heard a reviewer talk about lag.

As a constant iPhone user I read reviews and forum posts but never pull the trigger as I can’t afford multiple phones.

The typical forum argument is that galaxy phones lag after 6 months, then some say that was true up until the 8.. then I see Flossy (arguably a Samsung apologist) say that the 8 lagged but the 9 doesn’t. lol, trying to wade through to the truth.

I’m sure there is a two week return period.
Get what you want.

 

[FFR]

Yes. It's really helpful when you cannot copy & paste something.

I use it all the time on the iPhone it’s super convenient. Just want to make sure it was ocr.

 

[spinedoc77]

Good grief, what in the world drives you to this? I can't believe you're still at. Trying to minimize Samsung and the Note 9 in any which way you can. Why does it matter to you who's giving the discount? Do you somehow feel validated with Apple having the largest margins with the least in return to the customer. Does this make you proud in some way? Are you happy to pay premium prices for hardware that's not even top of its class? Dang, you gotta start demanding more for your money.

He wasn't trying to minimize Samsung, it was just a discussion we were having. I don't get the insecurity? We were discussing the BOGO's and some thought the carriers softened the financial blow, although as I mentioned often Samsung themselves have the BOGO so they take the full financial brunt.
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You get what you pay for with these Chinese brands. Just because something has the same 4000 mah battery, doesn't mean it'll perform the same, just because it has 3 cameras doesn't mean it'll take better photos. Frankly, looking at these videos I cringe at the bad quality of the huwai photos. Samsung has quality components with real R&D being pumped into them as apple followers know first hand... their phones are basically all Samsung components.

Battery Comparison

Camera Comparison

Huawei phones seem very well made, and they have a good reputation as far as I know in terms of hardware quality. My fear, and the reason I'll never buy a Huawei, is that there may be privacy and/or security issues with them. But hell, after reading Google's big lie about location tracking these past few days I guess Huawei hardware can't be much worse than using Android in general.

 

[tonybarnaby]

He wasn't trying to minimize Samsung, it was just a discussion we were having. I don't get the insecurity? We were discussing the BOGO's and some thought the carriers softened the financial blow, although as I mentioned often Samsung themselves have the BOGO so they take the full financial brunt.
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Huawei phones seem very well made, and they have a good reputation as far as I know in terms of hardware quality. My fear, and the reason I'll never buy a Huawei, is that there may be privacy and/or security issues with them. But hell, after reading Google's big lie about location tracking these past few days I guess Huawei hardware can't be much worse than using Android in general.

The nexus 6p is the most infamous phone they have made. Loads of issues.

 

[FFR]

The nexus 6p is the most infamous phone they have made. Loads of issues.

Yeah but to be fair there were problems with almost all of the nexus models.

I don’t know, I actually liked the design of the 6p.

Don’t know what happened with the pixel.

 

[sunking101]

Huawei phones seem very well made, and they have a good reputation as far as I know in terms of hardware quality. My fear, and the reason I'll never buy a Huawei, is that there may be privacy and/or security issues with them. But hell, after reading Google's big lie about location tracking these past few days I guess Huawei hardware can't be much worse than using Android in general.

Meh. I'm more worried what my own government and the US might do with my data than the Chinese. What could they possibly do??? This is all just propaganda like they feed us about the Russians. They are our enemy blah blah. Surely someone can analyse the hardware and software of these Huawei phones and realise that they're just another vendor using the same chips and running the same o/s?

 

[spinedoc77]

Meh. I'm more worried what my own government and the US might do with my data than the Chinese. What could they possibly do??? This is all just propaganda like they feed us about the Russians. They are our enemy blah blah. Surely someone can analyse the hardware and software of these Huawei phones and realise that they're just another vendor using the same chips and running the same o/s?

You don't worry what can be done with your financial information? Or your identity? I'm not trying to be paranoid about cyber warfare, but I do think something like identity theft is a genuine concern. Now I'm not saying Huawei is guilty of anything at all, just playing devils advocate to all the headlines out there. But when the heads of the CIA, FBI, NSA and others actually officially advise not to use them, that's got to mean something. It's not like they run around saying that about anyone else, except maybe ZTE.

 

[sunking101]

You don't worry what can be done with your financial information? Or your identity? I'm not trying to be paranoid about cyber warfare, but I do think something like identity theft is a genuine concern. Now I'm not saying Huawei is guilty of anything at all, just playing devils advocate to all the headlines out there. But when the heads of the CIA, FBI, NSA and others actually officially advise not to use them, that's got to mean something. It's not like they run around saying that about anyone else, except maybe ZTE.

We in the UK haven't been advised to steer clear of Huawei and we have world class intelligence & security services. Yes I worry about all the things you have mentioned, but not by the Chinese. We are far more likely to be targetted by Eastern European and Nigerian scammers IMO.

 

[mi7chy]

It's more political than reality because iPhones are made in the same Chinese factory where they're just as easy to implant backdoors. All the while some agencies use the postal office to intercept packages to implant backdoors on network and server equipment.

 

[spinedoc77]

We in the UK haven't been advised to steer clear of Huawei and we have world class intelligence & security services. Yes I worry about all the things you have mentioned, but not by the Chinese. We are far more likely to be targetted by Eastern European and Nigerian scammers IMO.

Glad to hear the sentiments aren't the same in the UK.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/19/reu...ty-endorsement-of-chinas-huawei--sources.html
https://pocketnow.com/gchq-huawei-security-uk
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-h...sement-of-chinas-huawei-sources-idUKKBN1K92BO
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...curity-endorsement-Chinas-Huawei-sources.html
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/zte-uk-security-threat-news/