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[LIVEFRMNYC]

This. Let's face it, this forum has more US members than from anywhere else and in the US, WhatsApp is next to irrelevant. It's just not used by most people. US carriers long ago offered, if not unlimited, huge quantities of SMS in our mobile plans so there was no need to use 3rd party solutions. Using Apple Messages required zero change in use behavior but offered tons of functionality and benefit over standard SMS/MMS.

Once you've become accustomed to those added benefits, it's harder to step back to regular SMS.

The Android Messages app has certainly improved from my past experiences--being able to message from my Pixelbook is nice and a limited approximation of doing the same with Apple Messages on Apple hardware. I also find the smart reply suggestions to be surprisingly (and eerily ) good. But the overall experience isn't nearly the same as if you use Apple Messages and especially across multiple devices. I'm managing fine but do miss a few aspects.

Android has a bigger market share than iPhone in the USA. Messaging is the major form of communication nowadays. You can't tell me 3rd party messaging apps in the USA are irrelevant when it's most likely the majority of the market (which is Android based) use them.

Whatsapp, Telegram, and etc are widely used in the USA. Don't know why people say otherwise.

And that's when your wrong. It's not the most restricted, it's actually the least restricted. iPhone users don't have to do anything to use it and be able to reach nearly ANYONE. If you have a phone number, it works. If you don't have a phone number but have an Apple device (ie. my kids for years only had iPods or iPad, same as their friends), it works. The only people you cannot reach are folks without a phone number and no Apple device...a pretty small % of mobile device users, expecially here in the US.

Any of the 3rd party apps you mentioned required an additional account and app. I can reach every single person in my contact list using Apple Messages. Can't say that about any of the other apps you've listed.

And that's where users are fooled. If the receiving or sending party doesn't use an iPhone, then you're just receiving or sending a plain SMS/MMS carrier text under the iMessage UI.

And yes, it is restrictive. You must stay on Apple's platform to take advantage of it. With the other major messaging apps, you don't have to worry about what platform you and others are using to take full advantage.

 

[Zito Abroad]

And that's when your wrong. It's not the most restricted, it's actually the least restricted. iPhone users don't have to do anything to use it and be able to reach nearly ANYONE. If you have a phone number, it works. If you don't have a phone number but have an Apple device (ie. my kids for years only had iPods or iPad, same as their friends), it works. The only people you cannot reach are folks without a phone number and no Apple device...a pretty small % of mobile device users, expecially here in the US.

Any of the 3rd party apps you mentioned required an additional account and app. I can reach every single person in my contact list using Apple Messages. Can't say that about any of the other apps you've listed.

You're looking at it from an Apple user's point of view only. It's the most restricted messaging app. You need an apple device. Your full use of functions is limited to Apple users. End of.

 

[Blaze4G]

This. Let's face it, this forum has more US members than from anywhere else and in the US, WhatsApp is next to irrelevant. It's just not used by most people. US carriers long ago offered, if not unlimited, huge quantities of SMS in our mobile plans so there was no need to use 3rd party solutions. Using Apple Messages required zero change in use behavior but offered tons of functionality and benefit over standard SMS/MMS.

Once you've become accustomed to those added benefits, it's harder to step back to regular SMS.

The Android Messages app has certainly improved from my past experiences--being able to message from my Pixelbook is nice and a limited approximation of doing the same with Apple Messages on Apple hardware. I also find the smart reply suggestions to be surprisingly (and eerily ) good. But the overall experience isn't nearly the same as if you use Apple Messages and especially across multiple devices. I'm managing fine but do miss a few aspects.
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And that's when your wrong. It's not the most restricted, it's actually the least restricted. iPhone users don't have to do anything to use it and be able to reach nearly ANYONE. If you have a phone number, it works. If you don't have a phone number but have an Apple device (ie. my kids for years only had iPods or iPad, same as their friends), it works. The only people you cannot reach are folks without a phone number and no Apple device...a pretty small % of mobile device users, expecially here in the US.

Any of the 3rd party apps you mentioned required an additional account and app. I can reach every single person in my contact list using Apple Messages. Can't say that about any of the other apps you've listed.

I disagree...mainly with the "able to reach nearly anyone". Sure you can do that, but at what cost? How much does mobile carriers charge you to text internationally to people without iphones?

As long as you have data or wifi, users are not restricted to send unlimited messages, pics, videos, etc to their friends in their country of residence and internationally using whatsapp, telegram, etc.

People who ONLY uses imessage must not have much if any international friends that doesn't have an iphone. It is either that, or they don't mind paying the crazy fees for sending an sms to a friend in an international country.

Once you have international friends without an iphone that you message somewhat regularly, imessage is a no go.

Generally, (not referring to you) many Americans seem to be locked in their bubble in the USA and are not aware what goes on in other countries.

 

[tbayrgs]

I disagree...mainly with the "able to reach nearly anyone". Sure you can do that, but at what cost? How much does mobile carriers charge you to text internationally to people without iphones?

As long as you have data or wifi, users are not restricted to send unlimited messages, pics, videos, etc to their friends in their country of residence and internationally using whatsapp, telegram, etc.

People who ONLY uses imessage must not have much if any international friends that doesn't have an iphone. It is either that, or they don't mind paying the crazy fees for sending an sms to a friend in an international country.

Once you have international friends without an iphone that you message somewhat regularly, imessage is a no go.

Generally, (not referring to you) many Americans seem to be locked in their bubble in the USA and are not aware what goes on in other countries.

Yup, most US customers don't have many regular international contacts. We're admittedly pretty damn isolated and again, most (don't bother chiming in to share with us all the international contacts you have--not speaking directly to you @Blaze4G but anyone else you wants to share their personal anecdotal evidence) don't. And for those rare one off needs, we can use a 3rd party solution. But for everyday use, 3rd party solutions just don't work as an option. Nothing is as ubiquitous for iPhone users as Apple Messages. Switching away from iPhone means a compromise here in the US. There is no single messaging solution that offers as much functionality.
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You're looking at it from an Apple user's point of view only. It's the most restricted messaging app. You need an apple device. Your full use of functions is limited to Apple users. End of.

Of course I'm looking at it from an iPhone user's point of view because they're the one using Apple Messages . If an US iPhone user is going to switch to Android, this is the barrier they face---there is no comparable single solution on Android. I know because I've made the switch numerous times over the years.
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Android has a bigger market share than iPhone in the USA. Messaging is the major form of communication nowadays. You can't tell me 3rd party messaging apps in the USA are irrelevant when it's most likely the majority of the market (which is Android based) use them.

Where did I say they were irrelevant? I said there is nothing comparable to Apple Messages on Android if you're a typical US customer. And I'm sorry, no 3rd party solution is used anywhere close as much as SMS/MMS is the US by Android users.

Whatsapp, Telegram, and etc are widely used in the USA. Don't know why people say otherwise.

No they're not, unless your definition of widely used is downloaded from their respective app store. Using it for a small portion of contacts is not widely used. Americans widely (re: most of their messaging) use SMS and Apple Messages. The most used 3rd party solution in the US is Facebook Messenger and id wager that next to nobody uses that as their primary solution.

Not sure how old this article is (references date to 2016 so at least a couple years old) but it explains it pretty accurately.

This quote explains it quite well:

In the United States we have flat rate SMS texting that comes standard on nearly all phone carriers whereas in other countries it can cost on average $0.11 per text. This is not the whole of it though. It is because the US caters solely to the domestic market. The rest of the world is on the globalization train with friends and business taking place in neighboring countries and across the globe. The app is necessary to chat with friends abroad. International text messaging in the US is expensive regardless of carrier but in general we have less of a focus on making and maintaining these friendships. “Internationalism isn’t part of our cultural framework.” The one- third of US app users are primarily travelers or people who have been abroad. Students going abroad will download the app before leaving and even if they don’t get a local phone number once they arrive, they can give out their US number.

Alright, I'm sorry for contributing to this hugely repetitive thread tangent. This horse has been beaten to death so many times it's pointless to argue further. US IPhone users really like Apple Messages and both international and Android users continually don't understand why. That's not going to change anytime soon so let's just get back to the Galaxy S10 discussion.

 

[Cnasty]

Messed around with the S10+ at T-Mobile today (goodbye ATT!!) and it’s such a beautiful device. Feels “cheap” because it’s so light but that’s not the word I really mean. Not sure if that makes any sense at all. It feels so fluid and light in my hand versus the heft of the XSMax I have. Felt great!

I have committed to never buy installment again and try to go unlocked to unlocked moving forward. I am still contemplating grabbing this eventually but I really want a Pixel.

No idea how jump on demand works. Even the TMobile guy explanation was confusing.

 

[5105973]

This. Let's face it, this forum has more US members than from anywhere else and in the US, WhatsApp is next to irrelevant. It's just not used by most people. US carriers long ago offered, if not unlimited, huge quantities of SMS in our mobile plans so there was no need to use 3rd party solutions. Using Apple Messages required zero change in use behavior but offered tons of functionality and benefit over standard SMS/MMS.

Once you've become accustomed to those added benefits, it's harder to step back to regular SMS.

The Android Messages app has certainly improved from my past experiences--being able to message from my Pixelbook is nice and a limited approximation of doing the same with Apple Messages on Apple hardware. I also find the smart reply suggestions to be surprisingly (and eerily ) good. But the overall experience isn't nearly the same as if you use Apple Messages and especially across multiple devices. I'm managing fine but do miss a few aspects.
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And that's when your wrong. It's not the most restricted, it's actually the least restricted. iPhone users don't have to do anything to use it and be able to reach nearly ANYONE. If you have a phone number, it works. If you don't have a phone number but have an Apple device (ie. my kids for years only had iPods or iPad, same as their friends), it works. The only people you cannot reach are folks without a phone number and no Apple device...a pretty small % of mobile device users, expecially here in the US.

Any of the 3rd party apps you mentioned required an additional account and app. I can reach every single person in my contact list using Apple Messages. Can't say that about any of the other apps you've listed.

For me and my husband and extended family, we are all now very comfortable with using just Android Messages to iMessage. I missed stickers at first, but we found we could easily exchange GIFs.

Where it gets difficult between us and the children is the children are on iPads more than on iPhones. They use them to do FaceTime with friends. They use them for homework more often than the school mandated Chromebook. Often phones are forgotten in book bags and purses but the iPads are always out and in use. Next year their new school mandates the use of iPads not Chromebook. So I definitely will be stuck to iPhone for another few years.

There have been times we needed to reach the kids and my husband couldn’t because he went to Android only and I had to use my Xr and iMessage.

It’s even other friends’ children who want me to stay on iOS. Over the years we’ve all become almost like aunts and uncles to each other’s kids and they want to be able to reach me directly sometimes to ask my opinion on an art project or homework, etc that they mentioned to me on the commute home from school.

 

[The Game 161]

Some are already writing off any features the S10 might have as useless
Its kinda interesting when some fans write off Samsung or Android features saying they don't care about that feature. But when the iPhone adopts that feature it is a great feature to have all of a sudden.
Does everyone remember wireless charging? How everyone said it was overblown and they didn't see the excitement. But when the iPhone got it years later.......it s great feature now.

Same thing with facial scanning software. It was touted as useless by iPhone fans and how much they loved TouchID......until Apple did away with TID now FaceID is so awesome.

People just like to justify their devices I guess

Wireless PowerShare may seem like a gimmick and I never used it but one of those nice to have..

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Where did I say they were irrelevant? I said there is nothing comparable to Apple Messages on Android if you're a typical US customer. And I'm sorry, no 3rd party solution is used anywhere close as much as SMS/MMS is the US by Android users.

Here's where you said that .....

This. Let's face it, this forum has more US members than from anywhere else and in the US, WhatsApp is next to irrelevant. It's just not used by most people.

No they're not, unless your definition of widely used is downloaded from their respective app store. Using it for a small portion of contacts is not widely used. Americans widely (re: most of their messaging) use SMS and Apple Messages. The most used 3rd party solution in the US is Facebook Messenger and id wager that next to nobody uses that as their primary solution.

Not sure how old this article is (references date to 2016 so at least a couple years old) but it explains it pretty accurately.

This quote explains it quite well:


Alright, I'm sorry for contributing to this hugely repetitive thread tangent. This horse has been beaten to death so many times it's pointless to argue further. US IPhone users really like Apple Messages and both international and Android users continually don't understand why. That's not going to change anytime soon so let's just get back to the Galaxy S10 discussion.

That quote you posted just proves my point. The Android market share is bigger than iPhone in the USA, so the same applies to that market. They are definitely not using iMessage to circumvent SMS charges. So they are using 3rd party apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, Viber , and etc. .

 

[tbayrgs]

Here's where you said that .....





That quote you posted just proves my point. The Android market share is bigger than iPhone in the USA, so the same applies to that market. They are definitely not using iMessage to circumvent SMS charges. So they are using 3rd party apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, Viber , and etc. .

Well, if you want to split hairs, I said next to irrelevant .

Show me proof that any of those 3rd party apps are the primary source of messaging for most Americans and I’ll accept your argument. But they’re not.

Are they used? Yes. Are they used as the primary messaging solution like WhatsApp is used in many parts of the world. Nope. iPhone users in the US use Apple Messages as their primary messaging option and US Android users use SMS/MMS. And one is much better than the other.

This article and also this article corroborate this pretty clearly. FB Messenger is easily the most used 3rd party messaging app with WhatsApp and everything as basic afterthoughts. Snapchat and Skype of all things have deeper penetration in the US.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Well, if you want to split hairs, I said next to irrelevant .

Show me proof that any of those 3rd party apps are the primary source of messaging for most Americans and I’ll accept your argument. But they’re not.

Are they used? Yes. Are they used as the primary messaging solution like WhatsApp is used in many parts of the world. Nope. iPhone users in the US use Apple Messages as their primary messaging option and US Android users use SMS/MMS. And one is much better than the other.

When treated as simple single texts, then YES, Android users do use SMS texting as the primary option.

But when having a full conversation, and sending one another pics/vids, or group chats, and etc. Android users have no choice but to use 3rd party messaging apps or their experience would be extremely subpar (not worth using).

So tell me, are the majority of Android users (which is the majority of USA market share), not partaking in group chats, multimedia messaging, send/read receipts, stickers, long distance messaging, and etc? Are you telling me only iPhone users are enjoying those perks? Come on now.

This article and also this article corroborate this pretty clearly. FB Messenger is easily the most used 3rd party messaging app with WhatsApp and everything as basic afterthoughts. Snapchat and Skype of all things have deeper penetration in the US.

That was never my argument of which 3rd party messaging app is most popular in the USA. But the fact that 3rd party apps as a whole are more widely used in the USA, just based off the fact that Android is the biggest market in USA.

 

[Blaze4G]

Yup, most US customers don't have many regular international contacts. We're admittedly pretty damn isolated and again, most (don't bother chiming in to share with us all the international contacts you have--not speaking directly to you @Blaze4G but anyone else you wants to share their personal anecdotal evidence) don't. And for those rare one off needs, we can use a 3rd party solution. But for everyday use, 3rd party solutions just don't work as an option. Nothing is as ubiquitous for iPhone users as Apple Messages. Switching away from iPhone means a compromise here in the US. There is no single messaging solution that offers as much functionality.
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Of course I'm looking at it from an iPhone user's point of view because they're the one using Apple Messages . If an US iPhone user is going to switch to Android, this is the barrier they face---there is no comparable single solution on Android. I know because I've made the switch numerous times over the years.
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Where did I say they were irrelevant? I said there is nothing comparable to Apple Messages on Android if you're a typical US customer. And I'm sorry, no 3rd party solution is used anywhere close as much as SMS/MMS is the US by Android users.



No they're not, unless your definition of widely used is downloaded from their respective app store. Using it for a small portion of contacts is not widely used. Americans widely (re: most of their messaging) use SMS and Apple Messages. The most used 3rd party solution in the US is Facebook Messenger and id wager that next to nobody uses that as their primary solution.

Not sure how old this article is (references date to 2016 so at least a couple years old) but it explains it pretty accurately.

This quote explains it quite well:



Alright, I'm sorry for contributing to this hugely repetitive thread tangent. This horse has been beaten to death so many times it's pointless to argue further. US IPhone users really like Apple Messages and both international and Android users continually don't understand why. That's not going to change anytime soon so let's just get back to the Galaxy S10 discussion.

Replying to to what you quoted me on. I think a reason for Americans not having much international friends is (this is an assumption with no facts) but most people living in the USA dont move from the USA. Hence, they can always use imessage without charges. If they do have friends from the USA that moves to an international country, they are more likely to be using an iPhone. So no need for a 3rd party app.

As was mentioned before, 3rd party messaging apps became popular in countries outside of the USA for 2 main reasons:
1. The market share between iPhones and android in other countries is split evenly or android has majority of the market share

2. The biggest reason imo is most countries dont or didn't have unlimited SMS texting. So it was a must, even for iPhone users to have a 3rd party messaging app. In my home country it was roughly 7 USD for 100 text.
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When treated as simple single texts, then YES, Android users do use SMS texting as the primary option.

But when having a full conversation, and sending one another pics/vids, or group chats, and etc. Android users have no choice but to use 3rd party messaging apps or their experience would be extremely subpar (not worth using).

So tell me, are the majority of Android users (which is the majority of USA market share), not partaking in group chats, multimedia messaging, send/read receipts, stickers, long distance messaging, and etc? Are you telling me only iPhone users are enjoying those perks? Come on now.








That was never my argument of which 3rd party messaging app is most popular in the USA. But the fact that 3rd party apps as a whole are more widely used in the USA, just based off the fact that Android is the biggest market in USA.

Would have to agree with you here. I've never met an android user that does not have WhatsApp in America. I rarely even use SMS (I am living in USA). Which means all of my friends here in the USA has WhatsApp. The ones that dont use telegram...they are both iPhone users.

 

[SteveJUAE]

Replying to to what you quoted me on. I think a reason for Americans not having much international friends is (this is an assumption with no facts) but most people living in the USA dont move from the USA. Hence, they can always use imessage without charges. If they do have friends from the USA that moves to an international country, they are more likely to be using an iPhone. So no need for a 3rd party app.

As was mentioned before, 3rd party messaging apps became popular in countries outside of the USA for 2 main reasons:
1. The market share between iPhones and android in other countries is split evenly or android has majority of the market share

2. The biggest reason imo is most countries dont or didn't have unlimited SMS texting. So it was a must, even for iPhone users to have a 3rd party messaging app. In my home country it was roughly 7 USD for 100 text.
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Would have to agree with you here. I've never met an android user that does not have WhatsApp in America. I rarely even use SMS (I am living in USA). Which means all of my friends here in the USA has WhatsApp. The ones that dont use telegram...they are both iPhone users.

Whilst plenty of generalizations here by all

It's certainly true for most in the US do not think about sms/mms charges as its a bundled cost in their monthly plan.

US major Teleco's make it very difficult to disassemble plans and exclude sms/mms, if they could most would likely save $5-10/month

This potential saving is realized by many in the world hence the popularity of msg apps to the point sms/mms is almost never used in many countries other than to receive notifications from banks/telecos/advertising, as its free to receive

This saving makes Imessgaes less popular for most in the world regardless of msg's across borders

For those parts of the world that are even more cost conscious apart from eliminating sms/mms cost they also have minimal data packages typically $3-5/month for 10GB and many run just on WiFi alone

The US is 2nd/3rd most expensive place to own a smartphone, less by national average income and are simply accustomed to their charges that does not discourage Imessages that revert to sms/mms

 

[comper]

Can you guys just start a new thread to bicker about this utterly pointless debate? Literally zero substance regarding the S10 in any of these posts the last two pages.

 

[Wide opeN]

Even as an Apple user I don’t get what all the fuss is about imessage. All of my contacts use what’s app. Even those that have iPhones.

Apparently, it's a US thing and you may not understand.

 

[rockitdog]

Soooooo... how are the S10s holding up these days?

 

[Blaze4G]

Soooooo... how are the S10s holding up these days?

Mine is going good. Finally been utilizing Bixby routines. I use it for stuff like, if I open maps, location automatically turns on. If I connect to work wifi my phones switches to vibrate. If I connect to car bluetooth it turns off wifi, starts spotify, etc

 

[mackie8]

S10e users hows your battery? Can it last a day?
Exynos model?

 

[Hal~9000]

S10e users hows your battery? Can it last a day?
Exynos model?

I've had the Snapdragon S10e for the last month or so and I gotta say the battery life has been simply amazing for me. I can easily get around 8-10 hours of 'screen on' time with the following settings:

• Night mode on
• Adaptive brightness on
• Adaptive battery on
• Medium power saving
• Put all background apps to sleep when not using them except Google Voice, WhatsApp, YouTube, Netflix, Voice Recorder, Samsung Internet, Google Maps, Audible.

Some people dont like the concept of using any power saving settings and that's their perogative, but for me I dont mind taking 3 minutes to adjust my settings in order to get a few hours more SoT and the tricks listed above dont lessen the experience of the S10e for me whatsoever

 

[daveathall]

This is the best phone I have ever had (S10+), I have it set up with Nova Prime, hidden folders etc. It's fabulous.

 

[yui4]

I have been determined to give this phone a proper trial before the 14 day window is up. Purposely keeping away from my xs max.
At the moment I honestly can find any fault with it

Really enjoying Bixby routines

 

[mackie8]

Any ex iphone users who are still using this as daily driver?

 

[comper]

I am, it really is an awesome phone. Basically any big complaints anyone had during the TouchWiz era are almost all completely unwarranted now. I'd really prefer a flat screen, but that's the only thing I'd change about the design. Performance and battery life are top notch.

I always felt like I was making a different combination of software/hardware compromises with the Galaxy lines until the S10. It's honestly hard to objectively find reasons why the iPhone is still tempting to me, but it just is for some reason. Despite that, the S10+ is definitely an Android phone I could stick with for awhile. For reference, older Android phones that I've stuck with for longer periods of time when iPhones were an available alternative were the HTC One (M7) and the OG Google Pixel.

 

[Cnasty]

I have put my XS Max in the drawer for now and on the fence between grabbing a used/on sale Pixel 3XL, an S10+ or just waiting until the Pixel 4.

The screen is the only reason I am even considering the S10+ at this point.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Replying to to what you quoted me on. I think a reason for Americans not having much international friends is (this is an assumption with no facts) but most people living in the USA dont move from the USA. Hence, they can always use imessage without charges. If they do have friends from the USA that moves to an international country, they are more likely to be using an iPhone. So no need for a 3rd party app.

As was mentioned before, 3rd party messaging apps became popular in countries outside of the USA for 2 main reasons:
1. The market share between iPhones and android in other countries is split evenly or android has majority of the market share

2. The biggest reason imo is most countries dont or didn't have unlimited SMS texting. So it was a must, even for iPhone users to have a 3rd party messaging app. In my home country it was roughly 7 USD for 100 text.
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Would have to agree with you here. I've never met an android user that does not have WhatsApp in America. I rarely even use SMS (I am living in USA). Which means all of my friends here in the USA has WhatsApp. The ones that dont use telegram...they are both iPhone users.

On my plan I have unlimited SMS but get charged 55p per item Item I send via MMS. Most of my contacts use android phones so I’m not going Pay 55p every time I want to send a photo or video or even a web link via iMessage.

 

[Vegastouch]

Would have to agree with you here. I've never met an android user that does not have WhatsApp in America. I rarely even use SMS (I am living in USA). Which means all of my friends here in the USA has WhatsApp. The ones that dont use telegram...they are both iPhone users.

Weird, I don't know anybody that has WhatsApp. I don't have it and nobody has ever told me anything like "I use WhatsApp, you should try it".I always thought WhatsApp was for other countries.