Samsung innovating hard

[Michael Goff]

Again I ask, as all consumers should ask when buying their device; Put aside all the subjective BS, and ask, what am I getting for my money? Show me exactly why your hardware cost more than another device. It seems most people that choose the iPhone really don't want to answer this simple question.

People who buy iPhones likely do it primarily for the software. It's not a hardware thing, as long as the hardware runs the software.

 

[SHNXX]

People who buy iPhones likely do it primarily for the software. It's not a hardware thing, as long as the hardware runs the software.

Yes indeed.
If Note 4 or whatever iteration they're on now ran iOS, I would have considered it, although my experience with Note 2 has left a sour taste.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

1) I never said everyone has to agree with what I think is the best.

2) more than just one person is saying the s6 is the best.

3) yes I agree there are way more and better options than the iPhone out there today. And thats why the iphone isn't the best anymore. You seem to have a problem admitting this despite the wave of evidence and testing (screen, camera, etc).

But even if this sort of competition was present before, somehow I don't think you'd be championing "subjectivity" so much in the face of labeling iPhone the best. If someone said the iPhone is the best, somehow, I think you'd just agree.

Call it a wild hunch.

I have a problem admitting the iPhone isn't the best smartphone? Did you even read my post that you quoted?!

I have my reasons for owning it and I am happy. If you choose to ignore the credit I give elsewhere then that is up to you. Thank you very much, good luck with your future reading attempts.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Again I ask, as all consumers should ask when buying their device; Put aside all the subjective BS, and ask, what am I getting for my money? Show me exactly why your hardware cost more than another device. It seems most people that choose the iPhone really don't want to answer this simple question.

You'll get an answer like ....... iOS is more fluid and intuitive for my needs.
I'm like ....... WTF are you talking about?

Not bashing iOS, but I hear those type of comments far too often from iPhone users. And as someone who's had iPhones myself and still have an iPad 2, I still think comments like that are total BS.

 

[Sevanw]

People who buy iPhones likely do it primarily for the software. It's not a hardware thing, as long as the hardware runs the software.

Yes indeed.
If Note 4 or whatever iteration they're on now ran iOS, I would have considered it, although my experience with Note 2 has left a sour taste.

Yeah because iOS is worth so much more than Android that it can give inferior hardware that's 4 yrs old and still charge more than a device like the Note 4 or GS6. How about this view of mine, I say an overwhelming majority have no clue what OS their phone is running, or don't know the difference between Android and iOS.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You'll get an answer like ....... iOS is more fluid and intuitive for my needs.
I'm like ....... WTF are you talking about?

Not bashing iOS, but I hear those type of comments far too often from iPhone users. And as someone who's had iPhones myself and still have an iPad 2, I still think comments like that are total BS.

But at the same time that is a personal opinion to be respected isn't it? I prefer iOS to Android, am I allowed to say that? It's the same the other way too and at the end of the day it's not worth worrying about what others decide to spend their cash on.

I have to say we were talking about innovation last night when I last contributed to this thread. Now it's The iPhone Vs Samsung courtesy of a post a few after mine. How constructive.

 

[Michael Goff]

Yeah because iOS is worth so much more than Android that it can give inferior hardware that's 4 yrs old and still charge more than a device like the Note 4 or GS6. How about this view of mine, I say an overwhelming majority have no clue what OS their phone is running, or don't know the difference between Android and iOS.

I didn't say the OS, I said software. The iPhone runs software Android doesn't. The apps are, generally, a higher quality due to the bigger companies seemingly having an "Apple first" mentality. I'm wondering if you really wanted an answer, as you seem highly offended by the idea that some people prefer Apple's software.

 

[SHNXX]

But at the same time that is a personal opinion to be respected isn't it? I prefer iOS to Android, am I allowed to say that? It's the same the other way too and at the end of the day it's not worth worrying about what others decide to spend their cash on.

I have to say we were talking about innovation last night when I last contributed to this thread. Now it's The iPhone Vs Samsung courtesy of a post a few after mine. How constructive.

Nope. In addition, android is apparently made by Samsung, because somehow this relates to Samsung's innovation.

I thought Tizen was Samsung's OS and android was google's, but what do I know.
I only own one android phone and a few iOS phones.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

But Samsung sold more phones then apple!

Ford sold more cars than Ferrari in 2014 too! Ignore prestige and think business model.

 

[jamezr]

Nope. In addition, android is apparently made by Samsung, because somehow this relates to Samsung's innovation.

I thought Tizen was Samsung's OS and android was google's, but what do I know.
I only own one android phone and a few iOS phones.

This is a Samsung innovation thread. You came here just to cast a negative light. Just be honest because it is apparent to the rest of us.
You seemed to have things mixed up a little.
Android is a mobile OS designed by Google. It is available to just about any OEM. Google also makes Android phones running Android too.
Samsung makes phones running Android. Samsung also has a effort going to make phones with their own OS called Tizen. It is still in tis infancy. It might not ever take off as there is no dev/app support for it.

 

[Michael Goff]

Ford sold more cars than Ferrari in 2014 too! Ignore prestige and think business model.

Let's be honest, there's little prestige in the iPhone anymore. It may be the best in several categories, but it's no longer the status symbol it used to be. It certainly isn't a Ferrari, if only for the cost ratio.

 

[Sevanw]

I didn't say the OS, I said software. The iPhone runs software Android doesn't. The apps are, generally, a higher quality due to the bigger companies seemingly having an "Apple first" mentality. I'm wondering if you really wanted an answer, as you seem highly offended by the idea that some people prefer Apple's software.

I have absolutely no issue with someone preferring one OS over another, or specific apps for that OS. That is a 100% factual reason to choose one device over another. But my experience tells me those people are few and far between. I'm a hardware guy, these days there is software on both sides that gets the job done in all cases. Again, my belief is most people don't know what OS is on their phone, or more specifically what the differences are.

 

[jamezr]

Ford sold more cars than Ferrari in 2014 too! Ignore prestige and think business model.

NICE....you could use the same analogy for the Galaxy S6 against the iphone. iPhones sells more than the S6 too.....

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Let's be honest, there's little prestige in the iPhone anymore. It may be the best in several categories, but it's no longer the status symbol it used to be. It certainly isn't a Ferrari, if only for the cost ratio.

I said 'ignore' prestige because I don't class it as prestige like a Ferrari but similar in that they aim solely at the higher end of the market. Samsung like Ford aim at the whole market across every price bracket.

When somebody says 'but Samsung sell more devices than Apple' it is very true but what is it telling us when they both have very different business models? Something tells me you read my post too quickly without thinking it through.

 

[Michael Goff]

I have absolutely no issue with someone preferring one OS over another, or specific apps for that OS. That is a 100% factual reason to choose one device over another. But my gut tells me those people are few and far between. I'm a hardware guy, these days there is software on both sides that gets the job done in all cases. Again, my belief is most people don't know what OS is on their phone, or more specifically what the differences are.

That may be true, but this isn't about the OS.

I said software. An OS is software, but not all software is the OS. Most people likely see their friends and family using iMessage and like that. Or they have a large amount of things on iTunes and like that. It could even be a game or that they've been told that apps run better on the iPhone. Some likely buy for the camera, which is still one of the best ones out there. I think a majority don't buy an iPhone for what it physically is and more for what they do with it... which is the realm of software.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

But at the same time that is a personal opinion to be respected isn't it? I prefer iOS to Android, am I allowed to say that? It's the same the other way too and at the end of the day it's not worth worrying about what others decide to spend their cash on.

I have to say we were talking about innovation last night when I last contributed to this thread. Now it's The iPhone Vs Samsung courtesy of a post a few after mine. How constructive.

Actually it is constructive. You think Samsung innovating hard cause they're not competing?

You were the 5th poster in this thread and threw in the competition against Apple.

 

[Michael Goff]

I said 'ignore' prestige because I don't class it as prestige like a Ferrari but similar in that they aim solely at the higher end of the market. Samsung like Ford aim at the whole market across every price bracket.

When somebody says 'but Samsung sell more devices than Apple' it is very true but what is it telling us when they both have very different business models?

That's telling us that they have very different business models. Seriously, I misinterpreted your post and feel silly about it. I thought you were comparing the two, as if to say "but Apple makes the elite and premiere products" or some such thing. They both have different ways to approach the same market. Samsung has a phone for any situation and Apple wants you to buy old phones if you aren't able to afford their newer ones.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Actually it is constructive. You think Samsung innovating hard cause they're not competing?

You were the 5th poster in this thread and threw in the competition against Apple.

It's ok to talk about competitors in regards to innovation, but that isn't happening now. Wink, wink.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

It's ok to talk about competitors in regards to innovation, but that isn't happening now. Wink, wink.

Well excuse me for my initial post as a reply to a comment. wink, wink.

 

[Abazigal]

Again I ask, as all consumers should ask when buying their device; Put aside all the subjective BS, and ask, what am I getting for my money? Show me exactly why your hardware cost more than another device. It seems most people that choose the iPhone really don't want to answer this simple question. My guess is, this post will go unanswered in this thread. In the case you decide to give me an answer, I'll give you a heads up, keep your subjective BS to yourself.

An integrated solution which just works right out of the box.

My Apple devices cost more upfront, but my experience is that they have more than paid for themselves in the form of fewer problems and improved productivity.

At the end of the day, I will happily pay more for something which works great for me and which I will enjoy using, then save more on a product I know I won't enjoy using as much.

 

[grkm3]

An integrated solution which just works right out of the box.

My Apple devices cost more upfront, but my experience is that they have more than paid for themselves in the form of fewer problems and improved productivity.

At the end of the day, I will happily pay more for something which works great for me and which I will enjoy using, then save more on a product I know I won't enjoy using as much.

To be quite honest all I ever hear and read about is how easy it is to just go into an apple store to get an issue fixed with there apple devices.there are at least 20 people at any giving time at an apple store waiting to get there phone or device looked at and even one of my co workers has his apple watch at the store now and is waiting for a new one.

All that support they have is nice and dandy but I just need to get this off my back.

IV had every single Samsung phone including there nexus phone and I never once needed anything fixed of exchanged.

Heck we have 2 apple chargers at work that are oem and came with the 6plus and they don't work any more.

I get a kick out of it when they plug the lightning cable into a Samsung super charger and I warn them it will degrade there battery because its a 9v 3amp supercharger made for the gs6 but they don't care.

 

[epicrayban]

To be honest, my experience at the Genius Bar these past couple of years have been terrible. I don't care to elaborate, but it was for two Macbook laptops, and it took multiple visits to get the issues sorted out. And yes, there were long waits. They barely are able to keep to their scheduled appointments. Too many people need help.

Didn't they recently change their whole Genius set up, too?

 

[Sevanw]

An integrated solution which just works right out of the box.

My Apple devices cost more upfront, but my experience is that they have more than paid for themselves in the form of fewer problems and improved productivity.

At the end of the day, I will happily pay more for something which works great for me and which I will enjoy using, then save more on a product I know I won't enjoy using as much.

Oh God, here we go with the subjective BS that I asked to keep to yourself. Take the word Apple in your post and replace it with any OEM of choice and it'll still hold true for anyone who supports that OEM. I find it absolutely hilarious that Apple die hards still spew the "it just works" mantra when we know for a fact that's not true. Pointless.

 

[grkm3]

Oh God, here we go with the subjective BS that I asked to keep to yourself. Take the word Apple in your post and replace it with any OEM of choice and it'll still hold true for anyone who supports that OEM. I find it absolutely hilarious that Apple die hards still spew the "it just works" mantra when we know for a fact that's not true. Pointless.

This guy gets it lol.at least when we talk Samsung we use hard facts and data to back out views.

When we talk pure hardware Samsung is a market leader.

Do you know how insanely awesome the gs6 screen,camera and internal hardware wpuld be if apple went ballz to the wall hardware and gave you a gs6 in a iPhone body running ios?

People need a little reminder on how much horsepower the gs6 has under its hood.

 

[grkm3]

Just so you guys know Samsung is using a sata ufs ssd like memory controller and is the ONLY oem using there tech and as of today has the fastest nand storage performance stats over any other device in the world.I'm getting consistent 330mb/read speeds!