Samsung innovating hard

[Fernandez21]

But can there not be an objective best, too? I mean what's the point of camera comparisons or tests of screens, and benchmarks and al the plethora of other measuresments. Are those all entirely irrelevant? Do they not offer any sort of value in assessment?

Why are people suddenly so afraid of saying something is best now? What a coincidence that now that iPhone isn't at top of their game on various fronts, we have a huge problem with the idea of "best". We have to now invoke subjectivity (which is a whole different thing). If all we have to go by is subjectivity, then what's the point of any of these discussions? Thats not to say subjectivity doesn't exist or isn't useful. But its also not the only thing that can be discussed.

I think it's 2-fold. One, has anything ever truly been the best? Other than Wayne Gretzky, name one thing or person that is truly the best in the opinion of everyone? There isnt, so anything involving someone proclaiming something is the best will always end in a debate on how something else is better.

And 2, on the Internet these sort of debates can get pretty juvenile, and I think that's why people now alway try to state those caveats, in order to try to prevent those juvenile comments. You'll see across several different types of reviews, not just phones. It's actually something that is getting tiresome, everyone seems to be scared about getting called out in the comments, so they just take a middle of the road approach to their review.

 

[jamezr]

I think it's 2-fold. One, has anything ever truly been the best? Other than Wayne Gretzky, name one thing or person that is truly the best in the opinion of everyone?.

Michael Jordan. ...just sayin

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

This guy gets it lol.at least when we talk Samsung we use hard facts and data to back out views.

When we talk pure hardware Samsung is a market leader.

Do you know how insanely awesome the gs6 screen,camera and internal hardware wpuld be if apple went ballz to the wall hardware and gave you a gs6 in a iPhone body running ios?

People need a little reminder on how much horsepower the gs6 has under its hood. View attachment 564923 View attachment 564923 View attachment 564924 View attachment 564925

In that case why does it matter to you if someone else buys something different? Why am I buying an iPhone and not a Samsung offering?

It's a bit ironic that every opinion is shot down in flames and posters are given derogatory names like 'Apple diehard' yet your opinion is fact as far as you are concerned lol.

The S6 is an awesome phone. It is perhaps the best spec'd phone on paper in its class. BUT others are allowed to buy other devices based on other factors and praise their devices based on these.

 

[epicrayban]

In that case why does it matter to if someone else buys something different? Why am I buying an iPhone and not a Samsung offering?

It's a bit ironic that every opinion is shot down in flames and posters are given derogatory names like 'Apple diehard' yet your opinion is fact as far as you are concerned lol.

The S6 is an awesome phone. It is perhaps the best spec'd phone on paper in its class. BUT others are allowed to buy other devices based on other factors and praise their devices based on these.

Where are people demanding you switch phones?

Sounds like another straw man. Who says you can't get the phone you want?

"The S6 is the best at X, and X, and X" doesn't = "you can't get an iPHone."

 

[grkm3]

In that case why does it matter to you if someone else buys something different? Why am I buying an iPhone and not a Samsung offering?

It's a bit ironic that every opinion is shot down in flames and posters are given derogatory names like 'Apple diehard' yet your opinion is fact as far as you are concerned lol.

The S6 is an awesome phone. It is perhaps the best spec'd phone on paper in its class. BUT others are allowed to buy other devices based on other factors and praise their devices based on these.

And where are these posts you talk about? I could care less what you people buy.someone just made a thread about not liking the gs6 and Android and I could care less.no one in that thread tried to talk him out of it and most people that replied use both ecosystems.

I kinda needed to double check but isn't this thread about Samsung innovating?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Where are people demanding you switch phones?

Nowhere but for every valid reason somebody gives for choosing something other than an S6, there is a response of 'rubbish the S6 is the best on the market'. It's ignorant to others choices. If that isn't what you think is happening here, what exactly is the problem and what is the argument?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

And where are these posts you talk about? I could care less what you people buy.someone just made a thread about not liking the gs6 and Android and I could care less.no one in that thread tried to talk him out of it and most people that replied use both ecosystems.

I kinda needed to double check but isn't this thread about Samsung innovating?

It was the thread about Samsung innovating and myself and a few others tried to keep discussing innovation but admittedly I've given up with everybody else.

 

[epicrayban]

I think it's 2-fold. One, has anything ever truly been the best? Other than Wayne Gretzky, name one thing or person that is truly the best in the opinion of everyone? There isnt, so anything involving someone proclaiming something is the best will always end in a debate on how something else is better.

And 2, on the Internet these sort of debates can get pretty juvenile, and I think that's why people now alway try to state those caveats, in order to try to prevent those juvenile comments. You'll see across several different types of reviews, not just phones. It's actually something that is getting tiresome, everyone seems to be scared about getting called out in the comments, so they just take a middle of the road approach to their review.

1) I suppose it's semantics. But again, I ask this, if we really are going to get mired by such technicalities, then are we basically not allowed to say anything is "best"? Is there basically no use for that word whatsoever?

2) Yeah.

 

[epicrayban]

Nowhere but for every valid reason somebody gives for choosing something other than an S6, there is a response of 'rubbish the S6 is the best on the market'. It's ignorant to others choices. If that isn't what you think is happening here, what exactly is the problem and what is the argument?

So no where. Okay. That straw man is put to rest.

Can we resume using the word "best" now? Like I said before, the iPhone does a few things "best" too, and no one has any problems acknowledging that.

 

[Fernandez21]

1) I suppose it's semantics. But again, I ask this, if we really are going to get mired by such technicalities, then are we basically not allowed to say anything is "best"? Is there basically no use for that word whatsoever?

2) Yeah.

You can say whatever you want is the best, just expect a debate to start afterwards, whether it be on forums such as this, or at a bar.

 

[epicrayban]

You can say whatever you want is the best, just expect a debate to start afterwards, whether it be on forums such as this, or at a bar.

Oh, for sure. Not saying a discussion can't be had. It just turns sour when the opposing view brings strawmans, or untruths, or philosophical meanderings, red herrings, or any other silly unrelated tactics that certain posters -- cough i7guy -- try to bring to the discussion.

Look how hard he tried to downplay or discredit the S6 back camera in the camera thread. The measures he took; he seemed really hurt that the iPHone 6 can't claim best camera anymore.

 

[Fernandez21]

Michael Jordan. ...just sayin

Bill Russell,

 

[jamezr]

Bill Russell,

Would not argue that at all. He won more championships.....i think. But I still go for MJ

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

So no where. Okay. That straw man is put to rest.

Can we resume using the word "best" now? Like I said before, the iPhone does a few things "best" too, and no one has any problems acknowledging that.

You created that assumption of people demanding I change my phone not me matey. So yes by all means put your straw man to rest.

You can use the word 'best' if you wish. Remember I didn't have a problem with that initially anyway? The problem arose when you didn't like me suggesting it can be subjective when someone chooses a phone because we all have different demands. I could say the S6 is the best smartphone based on specs but for me the software lets it down so my definition of best lays elsewhere. We don't have to agree with that which is why I am intrigued how personal many of you have made this whole off topic exchange

 

[epicrayban]

You created that assumption of people demanding I change my phone not me matey. So yes by all means put your straw man to rest.

You can use the word 'best' if you wish. Remember I didn't have a problem with that initially anyway? The problem arose when you didn't like me suggesting it can be subjective when someone chooses a phone because we all have different demands. I could say the S6 is the best smartphone based on specs but for me the software lets it down so my definition of best lays elsewhere. We don't have to agree with that which is why I am intrigued how personal many of you have made this whole off topic exchange

Huh? Dude, this was your post that I replied to:

In that case why does it matter to you if someone else buys something different? Why am I buying an iPhone and not a Samsung offering?

It's a bit ironic that every opinion is shot down in flames and posters are given derogatory names like 'Apple diehard' yet your opinion is fact as far as you are concerned lol.

The S6 is an awesome phone. It is perhaps the best spec'd phone on paper in its class. BUT others are allowed to buy other devices based on other factors and praise their devices based on these.

I asked, show me what you're arguing against when you say "BUT others are allowed to buy other devices... etc."

I asked you who said you couldn't? Why did you feel you needed to make such a statement about buying devices of your choice.

I'm the one creating a strawman? What? Are we speaking the same language? Apparently not. Um, good luck.

As for subjectivity, yawn. Ok, subjectively the S6 isn't for you. Subjectively the iPhone 6 isn't for me. The conversation is over. Well, that was fun.

Let me know when you're ready to have an objective conversation. Yes, both can be had.

 

[jamezr]

It is very telling how many professed Apple fans have to visit a thread about Samsung innovation. They do take anything Samsung very personal. It is a Apple phenomena that started with SJ and his campaign against Samsung and Android. Now every thread that does not include Apple. Apple fans feel the need to visit the thread and continue to post off topic posts. They seem to take anything pro Samsung or Android as a personal attack. Even when Apple is not mentioned or brought into the mix. They feel the need to derail the thread and post something negative.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Huh? Dude, this was your post that I replied to:



I asked, show me what you're arguing against when you say "BUT others are allowed to buy other devices... etc."

I asked you who said you couldn't? Why did you feel you needed to make such a statement about buying devices of your choice.

I'm the one creating a strawman? What? Are speaking the same language? Apparently not. Um, good luck.

As for subjectivity, yawn. Ok, subjectively the S6 isn't for you. Subjectively the iPhone 6 isn't for me. The conversation is over. Well, that was fun.

Let me know when you're ready to have an objective conversation. Yes, both can be had.

I think objectivity went out of the window a long time ago. Only a few posts above this one you are picking on a poster not even taking part in this latest discussion to try and provoke a reaction.

Labelling people as Apple Fans and questioning why people like me are in this thread is also tiresome. You don't have to own an S6 to enjoy what Samsung is bringing to the market and I have a long history with Samsung devices. We were comparing innovation initially until it got silly.

I'm out, I think this thread as many others steered by the clique has run its course. All the best gents

 

[epicrayban]

It is very telling how many professed Apple fans have to visit a thread about Samsung innovation. They do take anything Samsung very personal. It is a Apple phenomena that started with SJ and his campaign against Samsung and Android. Now every thread that does not include Apple. Apple fans feel the need to visit the thread and continue to post off topic posts. They seem to take anything pro Samsung or Android as a personal attack. Even when Apple is not mentioned or brought into the mix. They feel the need to derail the thread and post something negative.

And they're not casually posting; they are actively trying in these threads, for pages and pages. The most telling was i7guy in the camera thread. Just clinging onto that one link, constantly nitpicking and maneuvering just to claim strawman(s) that the S6 camera isn't perfect. Desperately trying to take any credit away from the S6's accomplishments. How much of a blind eye must you conjure up to ignore multiple links or the multitude of users that actually own the S6 (and in some cases, the iPhone 6 too). And then he tries to discredit those who have both devices in question! It's deja-vu with the Samsung vs Apple hardware thread. Astonishing!

And sad, really.

Again, real Apple fans will see the competition and hope that the iPhone steps up, too.

I guess it's something agnostics won't understand. If tomorrow, the iPHone 6S comes out with a superior camera, more software features, better screen, more convenient features like wireless charging, etc.; and if the iPhone 6S beats the S6 on a number of tests, benchmarks, etc. , I'll happily say the 6S is the best and urge Samsung (and others) to step up their game, too.

We should hope we have this opportunity to do so. We should hope decisions are harder and harder to make between smartphone makers because they're each putting their best foot forward.

 

[jamezr]

I guess it's something agnostics won't understand. If tomorrow, the iPHone 6S comes out with a superior camera, more software features, better screen, more convenient features like wireless charging, etc.; and if the iPhone 6S beats the S6 on a number of tests, benchmarks, etc. , I'll happily say the 6S is the best and urge Samsung (and others) to step up their game, too.

I would be right there saying the same thing. In fact I would probably BUY one!
Competition is good for all of us as we all benefit from the smartphone race! Competition means better products and who doesn't want that!

 

[epicrayban]

I would be right there saying the same thing. In fact I would probably BUY one!
Competition is good for all of us as we all benefit from the smartphone race! Competition means better products and who doesn't want that!

I'd buy one, too. Unfortunately, I don't see Apple catching up until the iPhone 7. Force touch might be interesting, though. I think I read recently that they've patented some form of wireless charging. So that probably won't appear until 7.

Anyway... back to the thread topic...

 

[I7guy]

And they're not casually posting; they are actively trying in these threads, for pages and pages. The most telling was i7guy in the camera thread. Just clinging onto that one link, constantly nitpicking and maneuvering just to claim strawman(s) that the S6 camera isn't perfect. Desperately trying to take any credit away from the S6's accomplishments. How much of a blind eye must you conjure up to ignore multiple links or the multitude of users that actually own the S6 (and in some cases, the iPhone 6 too). And then he tries to discredit those who have both devices in question! It's deja-vu with the Samsung vs Apple hardware thread. Astonishing!

And sad, really.

Again, real Apple fans will see the competition and hope that the iPhone steps up, too.

I guess it's something agnostics won't understand. If tomorrow, the iPHone 6S comes out with a superior camera, more software features, better screen, more convenient features like wireless charging, etc.; and if the iPhone 6S beats the S6 on a number of tests, benchmarks, etc. , I'll happily say the 6S is the best and urge Samsung (and others) to step up their game, too.

We should hope we have this opportunity to do so. We should hope decisions are harder and harder to make between smartphone makers because they're each putting their best foot forward.

Really sad post, unfortunately. Don't like my style or opinion ignore it. One thread was already shutdown and i haven't
Participated in this thread (save for one comment) and got a few snarky replies. This off-topic bickering and flame baiting is what derails good threads and sidelines them. I make sure I stick to the topic not the poster.

 

[jamezr]

Back on topic!
I can't wait for this!
The Foldable Tablet: Samsung’s Newest Innovation Could Debut By 2015

http://topmobiletrends.com/foldable-tablet-samsungs-newest-innovation-debut-2015/

 

[Abazigal]

Oh God, here we go with the subjective BS that I asked to keep to yourself. Take the word Apple in your post and replace it with any OEM of choice and it'll still hold true for anyone who supports that OEM. I find it absolutely hilarious that Apple die hards still spew the "it just works" mantra when we know for a fact that's not true. Pointless.

My Apple products do "just work" better than the alternatives out there. Granted, this is just my own experience, but isn't this why I buy Apple products? Not because of your experience, or his experience, but my own?

My setup works for me, so I fail to see why you people are evidently having problems accepting this. And you are accusing me of being a troll and trying to derail this thread?
It's posts like this that remind me that why threads like this are never really objective to begin with, much as their creators try to hide behind a veneer of legitimacy with terms like "specs".

Basically, there is a difference between hardware innovation (which I never said Samsung was never good at) and good hardware necessarily resulting in a product with a great user experience (which Samsung has traditionally struggled with due to their lack of software expertise).

Threads like this really deserve to die in a blaze of fire and never get revived, imo, in hindsight, it was painfully obvious where the OP intended for this thread to end up.

 

[jamezr]

My Apple products do "just work" better than the alternatives out there. Granted, this is just my own experience, but isn't this why I buy Apple products? Not because of your experience, or his experience, but my own?

My setup works for me, so I fail to see why you people are evidently having problems accepting this. And you are accusing me of being a troll and trying to derail this thread?
It's posts like this that remind me that why threads like this are never really objective to begin with, much as their creators try to hide behind a veneer of legitimacy with terms like "specs".

Basically, there is a difference between hardware innovation (which I never said Samsung was never good at) and good hardware necessarily resulting in a product with a great user experience (which Samsung has traditionally struggled with due to their lack of software expertise).

Threads like this really deserve to die in a blaze of fire and never get revived, imo, in hindsight, it was painfully obvious where the OP intended for this thread to end up.

Great that they just work for you and you are happy with them Enjoy!
But lets stay on topic.

 

[Michael Goff]

I don't know if this is on topic... but anyone think we're going to see next year's Galaxy S have the full Samsung gamut? Screen, speakers, SoC, camera, and so forth?