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Apple does not compete with android but yeah I guess you could say that android is more popular. But that's not what we are discussing is it?
Android is not a final product.
Phones are.
Have you surveyed every review on the internet to see which has a higher approval rating or which is preferred when reveiwed in tandem?
Short of something like that I would question your evidence.
I was just using your sales analogy. There is only one IOS phone so it is direct competitor to Android. I don't think sales is a complete measuring stick. But if you want we can use it. Even Samsung out sells Apple in sales. Does that make their phones better?
Great....then do some home work and checkout the other threads here on MR where a ton of people have posted reviews and links. The info is all right here for you.
You can do your own homework by yourself since that is the point you're making.
Sales figures clearly show consumers prefer the iPhone 6 to the Samsung whatever phone whether you judge by number of units or by revenue or by profit.
The point of making phones is to sell them and to make a profit.
It is more objective than what you perceive to be the consensus based on your biased cherry picked reading of the internet.
I don't care about what the reviews say at all, as that's just a collection of opinions which can be paid for.
Sure....so you don't go by reviewers. Because they might not agree with you. You go by sales as your standard. Then by your standard Android is the better mobile phone of as it outsells IOS by a very large margin. Samsung out sells Apple in the US and wordwide. By your standard does that make them better?
But Samsung sold the most phones for 2014 and is the number 1 oem on phone sales.it sold over 300 million phones last year.
How many did apple sell?
Sure....so you don't go by reviewers. Because they might not agree with you. You go by sales as your standard. Then by your standard Android is the better mobile phone of as it outsells IOS by a very large margin. Samsung out sells Apple in the US and wordwide. By your standard does that make them better?
Does google sell android?
Does apple sell iOS?
The answer is no to both questions.
I concede that android is a more successful product for sure but we are comparing phones, not OS, or at least that's what I am doing.
Which OS has more users pertains to which OS is more popular but not to which phone is more popular.
iPhone is less successful than the collection of every android phone but we are comparing iPhone to Samsung's specific models are we not?
Here are the numbers.
Did I miss something? Is Samsung the only android phone manufacturer?
The answer is yes to both. Google does sell Android phones. Apple is the only manufacturer in the world that sells IOS phones.
You are right. The iphone is the single best selling phone model in the world. It is the only phone Apple sells and the only phone to run IOS so it is a direct comparison to Android.
Nice twisting of words but no that is not what I said.
I said apple and google do not sell the OS.
That is not their business.
How popular the OS is not pertinent to discussion of which phone models are more popular.
We are not comparing google vs apple either.
For comparing Google vs apple, well that's another matter altogether.
Google is a much more formidable opponent than Samsung is although I would argue that google has a different strategy to apple's so as to not compete directly with each other.
Sales of OS?
How much money does apple get for selling the iOS separately?
How much money does google get for selling android OS per phone?
Once again, I'm only using sales numbers for phones, not OS because we are not discussing OS.
If you want to discuss OS, then let's compare Tizen to iOS, since we are discussing Samsung.
But it is a direct comparison. Apple only sells one brand of phone running IOS. Samsung sell a lot of phones running Android. Samsung out sells Apple head to head. So by using your sales analogy Samsung has better phones because it sells more phones.
iOS vs android certainly doesn't make sense when it comes to comparing Samsung vs Apple.
But if it is indeed true that Samsung sold more phones in 2014 or 2015 than Apple, it would argue in favor of Samsung's success over Apple's.
I would argue though that apple does not compete with everything under the kitchen sink Samsung sells, but rather it competes with the Galaxy S models and to a lesser extent the note.
I believe apple sells more iPhone 6 and plus than Galaxy s and note, respectively.
How much revenue does Samsung generate from different phone models?
I was under the impression that their lower cost models are under the attack from multiple companies including Xiaomi and other Chinese vendors, although I'm not sure how important those models are to Samsung's bottom line.
I was under the impression that their lower cost models are under the attack from multiple companies including Xiaomi and other Chinese vendors, although I'm not sure how important those models are to Samsung's bottom line.
I would agree with the bolded above. The iphone is the single best selling phone in the world. But you were using a flawed sales equals best analogy. I was just showing you that you were wrong. Now you want to limit and narrow down your theory to just specific phone models Samsung sells. Thats hardly fair. Sales are sales. You said sales equals a better product. Now you change what you said.
They are...and you're right. What does that have to do with the thread topic or what you said? Nothing.....
Reviews are more flawed than sales.
You compared apple's iOS to google's OS which they do not sell separately, as evidence for why Samsung is superior to apple, which makes no sense and doesn't have anything to do with our argument.
As you say, Apple's iPhone is a more successful product by all measures than any model that Samsung sells, which is why I believe it is a better product for most people.
Using some random reviews that you found on the internet adds very little to your argument that Samsung's note or Galaxy S is superior.
A little more than your bringing up Google's OS to bolster your argument about Samsung, perhaps but I digress.
My point is that Samsung's plethora of phone models don't all compete with the iPhone as they target a different segment of the market.
Samsung's competitor products to Apple is only the Galaxy s and the Note series.
Anyhow have fun with your argument on why Samsung is the greatest company ever and apple is teh suck because google makes better OS and Samsung phones have the best cameras ever.
I would rather argue with the wall.
So by successful do you means it sells more? Are you back to sales means a better product? Because Samsung out sells Apple by quite a large margin.
Again I ask, as all consumers should ask when buying their device; Put aside all the subjective BS, and ask, what am I getting for my money? Show me exactly why your hardware cost more than another device. It seems most people that choose the iPhone really don't want to answer this simple question. My guess is, this post will go unanswered in this thread. In the case you decide to give me an answer, I'll give you a heads up, keep your subjective BS to yourself.
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