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tbayrgs

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fascinating to see the evolution of the prick mobile...from BMW to Audi to now Range Rover.

Some similarities here in my part of the States...some Range Rovers and BMW owners (especially M models) as well as many Porsche owners as well. A US exclusive--Cadillac Escalade. Newest addition to the 'prick' class---Tesla owners.
 
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MRU

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Re: off topic Prick class here are John Deere Tractor / Hay Bailers drivers. The amount of times they almost run you off the road or pull out of fields in front of you without looking is frustratingly common.

Indeed earlier in the year a tractor driver pulled directly out onto main road in front of me from a small boreen without even looking and made poop of my car. Thankfully no-one was hurt and their insurance sorted it out, but could have been a very different story ....

Aghhh rural Ireland ...
 

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Unless the dark mode is completely 100% black and not what 99% of dark modes merely are which is simply just an overall darker GUI (often grey or blue) then you are not really saving any battery as the pixel is illuminated regardless.


Regarding OLED and LCD.

There are benefits to LCD on the way sub pixels are arranged over OLED.

Let's take two QHD Screens, of which a 1440P has a total of 3,686,400 Pixels.

Now when we count how each pixel is arranged, the subpixel arrangement.

On a 1440P OLED screen there are 3,686,400 Green SubPixels, 1,843,200 Red Subpixels, 1,843,200 Blue Subpixels.

This means there are 7,372,800 lighting elements in a 1440P OLED Screen.


An IPS LCD has 3 subpixels per pixel.

This means 11,059,200 lighting elements on a 1440P LCD screen

This means a 1440P OLED Screen only has 67% of the same number of tiny little colored dots which make up detail of a LCD screen of the same resolution.

1080P has 2,073,600 Pixels

OLED has 2,073,600 Green SubPixels, 1,036,800 Red Subpixels, 1,036,800 Blue Subpixels.

There are 4,147200 Lighting Elements on a 1080P OLED Screen

Once again IPS LCD has 3 subpixels per pixel. This means there are 6,220,800 Lighting Elements on a 1080P LCD Screen

So what does this all mean?

A) A 1440p LCD has 11M subpixels, which is 4M more subpixel lighting elements compared to the OLED despite them sharing the same resolution. A 1440P pentile oled (7.3M lighting elements) in terms of image quality, is therefore closer to a 1080P LCD screen (6.2M lighting elements) than 1440p LCD screen.



B) a 1440P OLED screen used in the hand, you might not be able to see the pentile, but in VR where the pixels are magnified, it is still VERY relevant, an IPS 1440P screen has 11M lighting elements where a pentile oled only has 7.3M, therefore an IPS screen will give you much more detail.


Of course there are definite benefits to OLED such as contrast & black levels but currently no 100% percent answer to one being better than the other. A lot of it at the moment boils down to subjective preferences.

The future will change that.

However, where there will be a very definite improvement is when full RGB AMOLED displays finally launch. Where we finally have the benefits of both technologies without the weakness. However it isn't looking like we are closer to market of those screens just yet, despite them 'on the way' for the last number of years. (Super Amoled Plus is closest we have right now).

The take from all this is that there is still room to improve with regards to our displays in the future. That future will be Full RGB AMOLED. Samsung's Super Amoled + tech is getting ever closer to that realisation, hopefully 2018 will finally usher the true next gen.

Nice post. The other is longevity. Oled displays have a greater risk of burn in over LCD. If your someone who plans on using the phone over multiple years, an LCD may be better.
 

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Nice post. The other is longevity. Oled displays have a greater risk of burn in over LCD. If your someone who plans on using the phone over multiple years, an LCD may be better.

I definitely hadn't thought of that but it certainly is true. While I do have minor burn in on my Note 3, I've only ever experienced dead pixels with devices that have LCD screens. I guess each have their own strengths and weaknesses. I like both, just find OLED/AMOLED to be better by my own judgement. Not factual, just preferential.
 
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spinedoc77

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Some similarities here in my part of the States...some Range Rovers and BMW owners (especially M models) as well as many Porsche owners as well. A US exclusive--Cadillac Escalade. Newest addition to the 'prick' class---Tesla owners.

Really? I will probably be buying a Model S soon, I want to get that credit before the model 3 phases it out. I've spoken to other Tesla owners, they all seem ok to me. I guess there is some built in "saving the earth" mentality there, but personally I wanted a car that needs almost no maintenance and I like the instant power when you push the pedal.
 
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Re: off topic Prick class here are John Deere Tractor / Hay Bailers drivers. The amount of times they almost run you off the road or pull out of fields in front of you without looking is frustratingly common.

Indeed earlier in the year a tractor driver pulled directly out onto main road in front of me from a small boreen without even looking and made poop of my car. Thankfully no-one was hurt and their insurance sorted it out, but could have been a very different story ....

Aghhh rural Ireland ...
That used to happen to me on my commute to work in rural Maryland. I'd get stuck for a mile behind one of these tractors on a road with no passing permitted. Ugh. I never see them do this anymore. I'm not sure what changed.

Of course nothing beats driving in Amish country in rural Pennsylvania and getting behind a horse and buggy and having the horse drop a big poo on the road. :confused: My dad's parents lived in PA Dutch country so I saw that a lot when I visited. My grandpa always had some colorful things to say about that happening. I thought it was the funniest thing ever as a kid.

Getting back to the Note 8, I grow more tempted as I slowly emerge from my vacation stupor. I'm still on vacation and taking lots of pictures and there are times I find myself thinking about dual cameras on the Samsung. Of course I would. My stupid brain is impossible to train away from thinking about things like that. :rolleyes: Ah well it's fun.

But I don't want to make any decisions that will make it hard for me to afford the iPhone 8. The keynote details would have to reveal a real dud for me to lose my enthusiasm for the iPhone 8.
 

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That used to happen to me on my commute to work in rural Maryland. I'd get stuck for a mile behind one of these tractors on a road with no passing permitted. Ugh. I never see them do this anymore. I'm not sure what changed.

Of course nothing beats driving in Amish country in rural Pennsylvania and getting behind a horse and buggy and having the horse drop a big poo on the road. :confused: My dad's parents lived in PA Dutch country so I saw that a lot when I visited. My grandpa always had some colorful things to say about that happening. I thought it was the funniest thing ever as a kid.

Getting back to the Note 8, I grow more tempted as I slowly emerge from my vacation stupor. I'm still on vacation and taking lots of pictures and there are times I find myself thinking about dual cameras on the Samsung. Of course I would. My stupid brain is impossible to train away from thinking about things like that. :rolleyes: Ah well it's fun.

But I don't want to make any decisions that will make it hard for me to afford the iPhone 8. The keynote details would have to reveal a real dud for me to lose my enthusiasm for the iPhone 8.

Oh yes. Tractors on back woods country roads with twists and turns and miles between passing zones. Some of the drivers of these contraptions will go way off the road to allow you to pass but some can't/won't depending on the situation.

Back to the phone:

Since I am planning to keep my 7 Plus rather than trade, I'm going to take my time to really read about the iPhone and Note 8. I didn't do enough research this last go and this Intel modem has caused me real grief with data speeds and reception.

I'd like to make sure if I'm going to drop such a huge amount, I'm going to ensure it will make my $90 a month unlimited grandfathered T-Mobile plan with no HD throttle enforced, will be used thoroughly.
 
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tbayrgs

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Really? I will probably be buying a Model S soon, I want to get that credit before the model 3 phases it out. I've spoken to other Tesla owners, they all seem ok to me. I guess there is some built in "saving the earth" mentality there, but personally I wanted a car that needs almost no maintenance and I like the instant power when you push the pedal.

Of course that doesn’t apply to all owners—have friends that actually own the vehicles i listed that definitely aren’t so full of themselves. But I’ve just noticed it’s quite a common occurrence that often owners of those vehicles are also genuine pricks who like to flaunt their cars as some sort of status symbol. The few Tesla owners I’ve met that fit the bill were actually some of the worst.
 
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Can't really say I notice it on my ipad pro 10.5. Yes it's faster and more fluid than my old ipad air 2 or even my 7 plus but I get that every time I get a new device. I don't draw with the S-pen so maybe that's why I haven't noticed it.

Yeah, my iPad pro 10.5 I love due to that screen speed. Starting to hate my iPhone 7 plus though. I've had to charge it 3 times today which is crazy. My work phone s7 edge usually dies first but it's out lasting my iPhone lately since the last updates. Can't wait for my n8!
 

MRU

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Yeah, my iPad pro 10.5 I love due to that screen speed. Starting to hate my iPhone 7 plus though. I've had to charge it 3 times today which is crazy. My work phone s7 edge usually dies first but it's out lasting my iPhone lately since the last updates. Can't wait for my n8!
I would factory reset your iPhone, something is very off there. My 7plus gets the same great battery life as the 6+6S Plusses. I haven't noticed any difference with iOS 10.3.3 as with any other iOS version on it. I charge once per day only and still have plenty of juice left even on a very heavy usage day.
 

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I would factory reset your iPhone, something is very off there. My 7plus gets the same great battery life as the 6+6S Plusses. I haven't noticed any difference with iOS 10.3.3 as with any other iOS version on it. I charge once per day only and still have plenty of juice left even on a very heavy usage day.

My 7 Plus has been the same. However I've noticed that my signal fluctuates in a rather insane manner. If I pop my SIM into my 6s, it doesn't do that. 6s is on beta, 7 plus on 10.3.3.

I'd try to update to beta but just one thing doesn't work right and it's just enough that I wouldn't be happy.
 

Fernandez21

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My 7 Plus has been the same. However I've noticed that my signal fluctuates in a rather insane manner. If I pop my SIM into my 6s, it doesn't do that. 6s is on beta, 7 plus on 10.3.3.

I'd try to update to beta but just one thing doesn't work right and it's just enough that I wouldn't be happy.

Try resetting your network settings first. It could also be hardware if your signal is fluctuating like that. That would also kill your battery. Have you checked your battery usage?
 

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Try resetting your network settings first. It could also be hardware if your signal is fluctuating like that. That would also kill your battery. Have you checked your battery usage?

I have done that reset. Nothing is out of the ordinary right now but I do tend to see the usage and standby have the exact same times. I've read about that here but can't recall what causes it. Do you recall that issue?
 

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Spigen currently has a sale going on for all their Note 8 cases. Just ordered the Rugged Armor for only $11 Canadian. Awesome deal, considering my carrier has this case in store for like $40. Been my go to case with it's maximum protection for it's slim fit. I've had this on my Note 7 and currently on my S7 Edge. Had many drops on concrete and every time it's protected the phone from damage perfectly. Not a single scratch on the display because of the slightly raised lip on the top and bottom for screen protection. I don't use screen protectors as well. Highly recommended.

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Spigen currently has a sale going on for all their Note 8 cases. Just ordered the Rugged Armor for only $11 Canadian. Awesome deal, considering my carrier has this case in store for like $40. Been my go to case with it's maximum protection for it's slim fit. I've had this on my Note 7 and currently on my S7 Edge. Had many drops on concrete and every time it's protected the phone from damage perfectly. Not a single scratch on the display because of the slightly raised lip on the top and bottom for screen protection. I don't use screen protectors as well. Highly recommended.

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Is this on their website?

In the uk I can't see any cases for the note 8 yet. The one I bought I got from amazon.
 

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I have done that reset. Nothing is out of the ordinary right now but I do tend to see the usage and standby have the exact same times. I've read about that here but can't recall what causes it. Do you recall that issue?

I think it's an app. Have you checked the app list to see which apps are using the most battery?
 

MRU

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in comparison the iPhone 7 sits around 700 nits. Amazing job by Samsung since brightness is one of OLEDs few weaknesses in comparison to LCD.

I just hope Samsung are supplying these quality Super AMOLED plus panels for the iPhone 8 and not what we have seen in the past where they have supplied what can only be described as average and sometimes subpar versions to third party OEMs.

The Pixel & Pixel XL both use Samsung Super AMOLED Plus panels but both fall a mile behind the standard of even the S7/7e with a max NIT of 547 making them very hard to see outdoors in sunlight.

They also supplied the AMOLED panels for various Moto devices such as the X Force in the past too and that display was truly awful compared to the S6 that launched the same year.

So I am hoping Apple are going to force a Samsung to give them equivalent quality panels to the galaxy / note flagship and not the mediocre ones that often feel like they were rejects from the factory floor.
 
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I just hope Samsung are supplying these quality Super AMOLED plus panels for the iPhone 8 and not what we have seen in the past where they have supplied what can only be described as average and sometimes subpar versions to third party OEMs.

The Pixel & Pixel XL both use Samsung Super AMOLED Plus panels but both fall a mile behind the standard of even the S7/7e with a max NIT of 547 making them very hard to see outdoors in sunlight.

They also supplied the AMOLED panels for various Moto devices such as the X Force in the past too and that display was truly awful compared to the S6 that launched the same year.

So I am hoping Apple are going to force a Samsung to give them equivalent quality panels to the galaxy / note flagship and not the mediocre ones that often feel like they were rejects from the factory floor.

Does lower resolution affect brightness? Those 1080p panels has much less pixels (thus less light emitting led) leading to overall lower brightness level. If apple skims cost and uses 1080p panels that you can expect lower brighness.
 
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Does lower resolution affect brightness? Those 1080p panels has much less pixels (thus less light emitting led) leading to overall lower brightness level. If apple skims cost and uses 1080p panels that you can expect lower brighness.

No it shouldn't affect them in that regard specifically. After all the Pixel XL and Moto X Force both are 2K QHD and both had far lower NIT maximum brightness than many low-mid end LCD's. Indeed the X Force has a lousy 350 NITS despite being a Samsung Super Amoled panel !!!!

I don't think we will see brightness levels approaching 1200 Nits on the iPhone 8, but it would be nice if the iPhone 8 could get closer to 1000 Nits which would be a noticeable and tangible improvement over the iPhone 7/7+ current.

I can not see (or at least I hope they do not) Apple using Super Amoled Plus panels with NIT brightness below the current iPhone brightnesses, however as I say other Samsung supplied panels to other oems have been far lower in brightness, regardless of resolution.
 
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