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Same price $9.99 / €9.99 pm




I am grandfathered in at €7.99 so I save €2 and don't have any restrictions on the number of devices I can activate & deactivate ...
Google music would be tempting if i got the note 8 but seeing as i have apple music and apple have stopped charging me for it i will continue on with that lol
 
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Michael Goff

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Google music would be tempting if i got the note 8 but seeing as i have apple music and apple have stopped charging me for it i will continue on with that lol

And then there's me, who apparently has AM on auto renew even though I shut it off months ago. Guess Apple knows better.
 

mjschabow

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What I do is run Spotify for my streaming service but also use Google Music offline mode since I collect bootlegs and rarities from my favorite bands, and I uploaded all of them to Google Music many years ago. It definitely runs another in offline mode. Spotify is the smoothest of them all though. Plus, is has one of the best features. If I try to add a song to a playlist, but forgot that I added it previously, it will bring up a prompt letting me know that I'm adding a duplicate. That's great for when you have a huge playlist of the 500+ songs.
 

tbayrgs

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I don't think so. Both are 9.99 for one person or 14.99 for a family. Google Play Music also comes with Youtube Red.

GPM subscriber here as well. I don’t find any of the music streaming services signficantly better than the others content-wise but YouTube Red and the ability to Cast makes it a better value for me vs. Apple Music. That and having my entire library uploaded makes it a better option vs. Spotify for me personally.

Now if I was a student, not sure I could pass up the $4.99/mo rate for Spotify and Hulu.
 
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Michael Goff

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GPM subscriber here as well. I don’t find any of the music streaming services signficantly better than the others content-wise but YouTube Red and the ability to Cast makes it a better value for me vs. Apple Music. That and having my entire library uploaded makes it a better option vs. Spotify for me personally.

Now if I was a student, not sure I could pass up the $4.99/mo rate for Spotify and Hulu.

Oh, I'm still using GPM. I just wish the app ran better.
 

JackieInCo

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Dude, it's a sickness. I don't even know if I can part with the 8 Plus despite probably wanting an X because my brain starts imagining not having an iPhone at all for a few months.
I bring three phones with me daily:

iPhone 6S+ For music via BT since I have a driving job
S7 Edge in my pocket which has my main sim card in it
S7 Edge in my car to check for notifications and other things

Sometimes I bring my Note 5 with me as I did tonight instead of one of the Edges.

I haven't started to take my S8+ or Note 8 with me. I like to preserve the cleanliness of the screen for a few months before I get brave and start putting one of them in pocket. Why? Because once I put one of them in my pocket, the display starts getting that greasy smudgy buildup that starts getting harder to clean.

I bought the S8+ in June and the Note 8 on launch day and yet the S8+ hasn't left the house yet just as the Note 8 hasn't.

I have mental problems. :eek::confused:
 

Tsepz

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Must say I have become so used to the Fingerprint Scanner being where it is in both hands.

I have both Fingerprint Scanner and Iris Scanner setup, but I am using FPS 95% of the time.
As stupid as speed tests are:


It's disappointing that when the Note 8 wins, the obvious response is that "oh apple must be working on a fix, we'll check back later". I remember watching EverythingApplePro also say something along those lines as well (though in his speedtest, the Note 8 lost).

Anyway, props to Samsung for getting their memory management somewhat under control (even though it was just shoving more RAM into the phone). And to be fair to Apple, iOS 11 could have been better. I've been noticing a slight lag on my 12.9 iPad Pro II with iOS 11.
It is absolutely hilarious how people are quick to defend Apple. When an iPhone loses anything, the excuse is that an update is coming or the next one will fix that if an Android loses then it's fine and there are no excuses.
 

Technarchy

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It is absolutely hilarious how people are quick to defend Apple. When an iPhone loses anything, the excuse is that an update is coming or the next one will fix that if an Android loses then it's fine and there are no excuses.

Though in all fairness, Apple actually has a concrete record for patching issues. There’s usually 2 to 4 hefty updates released between major OS versions.

Historically with android device makers you were lucky to get any updates at all.

I can’t speak for the Note 8, but my Galaxy S8+ is easily to the most updated Android device I have ever owned. There’s been at least 2 huge updates to the UI and experience in addition to several small monthly, security releases.
 
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Historically with android device makers you were lucky to get any updates at all.
Problem with Android is that Google can but won't enforce anything like Apple do regarding mobile OS and how it's handled. The other issue is that companies make too many devices to optimize to. That's why flagship devices get more updated over 2-3 years, 4 if you're lucky. The third issue is that Qualcomm loves killing support for older processors. Support is extended to OEMs, who then use the new support to push out the update.

Qualcomm has a history of being fined for anti-competition laws. They also prevent Samsung from selling phones using their famed Exynos processor in the US.
 

Tsepz

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Though in all fairness, Apple actually has a concrete record for patching issues. There’s usually 2 to 4 hefty updates released between major OS versions.

Historically with android device makers you were lucky to get any updates at all.

I can’t speak for the Note 8, but my Galaxy S8+ is easily to the most updated Android device I have ever owned. There’s been at least 2 huge updates to the UI and experience in addition to several small monthly, security releases.

TBH, I do not know where this thing of "you'd be lucky to get any updates" on Android comes from, maybe low end Androids and US Carrier branded Androids?

I don't know how things are in the USA, but with every single Android I have owned updates were never an issue. I have never owned an Android that didn't get updates.

I have been using Android since 2010 with the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10, that phone had the heaviest custom UI I have ever experienced in an Android, that phone had around 2 OS updates. It started at Android 1.6 Donut, got 2.1 Eclair and then it leaped over FroYo and went straight to Gingerbread 2.3, inbetween all these OS updates there were a TON of FW updates that changed the UI, added features etc...

The most poorly supported Android I ever owned was Samsung Galaxy Tab10.1V, it received 2 OS updates and a few FW updates.

My S2, S3, S4, Note 4, and S7 Edge have all been well supported with each getting at least 2 major OS updates and loads of FW updates inbetween, and in recent times Samsung seems to have detached a lot of their apps from the OS, so since the Note 4, I have been seeing more and more updates of their UI and built-in apps coming through the Galaxy Apps store instead of a whole FW update or OS update.

So with all due respect I simply don't get the whole thing of "Androids don't get updates". Maybe I have just been lucky.

The Note8 seems to be on a good path to, I am not at all worried about updates with it.
 
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Technarchy

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Problem with Android is that Google can but won't enforce anything like Apple do regarding mobile OS and how it's handled. The other issue is that companies make too many devices to optimize to. That's why flagship devices get more updated over 2-3 years, 4 if you're lucky. The third issue is that Qualcomm loves killing support for older processors. Support is extended to OEMs, who then use the new support to push out the update.

I don’t care. That’s not my job. I’m the consumer. That’s for Samsung or whomever to figure out.

Overall it seems like Samsung is most capable of updates outside of Google itself. But the Google pixel update carrot is weak because I’m more likely to just
TBH, I do not know where this thing of "you'd be lucky to get any updates" on Android comes from, maybe low end Androids and US Carrier branded Androids?

I don't know how things are in the USA, but with every single Android I have owned updates were never an issue. I have never owned an Android that didn't get updates.

I have been using Android since 2010 with the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10, that phone had the heaviest custom UI I have ever experienced in an Android, that phone had around 2 OS updates. It started at Android 1.6 Donut, got 2.1 Eclair and then it leaped over FroYo and went straight to Gingerbread 2.3, inbetween all these OS updates there were a TON of FW updates that changed the UI, added features etc...

The most poorly supported Android I ever owned was Samsung Galaxy Tab10.1V, it received 2 OS updates and a few FW updates.

My S2, S3, S4, Note 4, and S7 Edge have all been well supported with each getting at least 2 major OS updates and loads of FW updates inbetween, and in recent times Samsung seems to have detached a lot of their apps from the OS, so since the Note 4, I have been seeing more and more updates of their UI and built-in apps coming through the Galaxy Apps store instead of a whole FW update or OS update.

So with all due respect I simply don't get the whole thing of "Androids don't get updates". Maybe I have just been lucky.

The Note8 seems to be on a good path to, I am not at all worried about updates with it.

Where it comes from is my experience with 11 android devices since 2009. One being a Nexus S and it still was barely updated and poorly supported.

The best I’ve ever seen is the S8+ by far.

As for the reasons, I’m the consumer, it’s not my job to care.

The only reason this isn’t a larger problem for me now is the frequent upgrade plans offered by carriers where I can get in out of devices way easier than the days of 2 year contracts. If it was still like I probably would stick with Apple as update support over 2 years is guaranteed without issue.
 

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It is absolutely hilarious how people are quick to defend Apple. When an iPhone loses anything, the excuse is that an update is coming or the next one will fix that
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if an Android loses then it's fine and there are no excuses.

But you do get a update not a pie in the sky promise, go figure.
 

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I don’t care. That’s not my job. I’m the consumer. That’s for Samsung or whomever to figure out.

Overall it seems like Samsung is most capable of updates outside of Google itself. But the Google pixel update carrot is weak because I’m more likely to just


Where it comes from is my experience with 11 android devices since 2009. One being a Nexus S and it still was barely updated and poorly supported.

The best I’ve ever seen is the S8+ by far.

As for the reasons, I’m the consumer, it’s not my job to care.

The only reason this isn’t a larger problem for me now is the frequent upgrade plans offered by carriers where I can get in out of devices way easier than the days of 2 year contracts. If it was still like I probably would stick with Apple as update support over 2 years is guaranteed without issue.
I still do 2year contracts, I made an exception for the Note8 as I wanted to be back on a Note device.

Had the Note 4 for 2years straight, and updates were no problem. It now still gets Security Updates.
 

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But you do get a update not a pie in the sky promise, go figure.

But you and the rest of the Apple faithful, religiously tell us Apple doesn't rush things. You guys preach how Apple gets things right before they release anything. What now?
Bottom line: iPhones don't run as smooth and lag free as the faithful would like to make everyone believe. What good are updates when you gotta wait for another update to fix what the first update messed up?The sooner you accept this fact, the sooner you can stop making excuses for Apple.
 
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Though in all fairness, Apple actually has a concrete record for patching issues. There’s usually 2 to 4 hefty updates released between major OS versions.

Historically with android device makers you were lucky to get any updates at all.

I can’t speak for the Note 8, but my Galaxy S8+ is easily to the most updated Android device I have ever owned. There’s been at least 2 huge updates to the UI and experience in addition to several small monthly, security releases.
Oh? Antenna gate and so on. You're holding it wrong. They may not fix it.
 

Technarchy

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Oh? Antenna gate and so on. You're holding it wrong. They may not fix it.

Before my time with the iPhone. My first was the 4S.

Though, when evaluating back in 2011 if I wanted to join AT&T and go Apple from my Galaxy S2, the whole antenna gate issue came across as much ado about nothing.
 

I7guy

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But you and the rest of the Apple faithful, religiously tell us Apple doesn't rush things. You guys preach how Apple gets things right before they release anything. What now?
Bottom line: iPhones don't run as smooth and lag free as the faithful would like to make everyone believe. What good are updates when you gotta wait for another update to fix what the first update messed up?The sooner you accept this fact, the sooner you can stop making excuses for Apple.
Gotta love these straw man discussions. Good job.
 
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