Phones Samsung Z Fold 2

[The Game 161]

@GrumpyMom has said how bad hers is for anything moving. And that any fine details, like fur on pets just doesn't get captured.

That's generally been my experience with Samsung cameras too. I've said it before on here that everyone hypes them massively yet three months after a Samsung device comes out, most people are back on their iPhones and Pixels and the cameras never get talked about as the best on the market.

That seems to have changed somewhat with the Note 20 Ultra. But even Jamezr has said that device is a bit hit and miss for every day photos.

My experience with note 20 ultra is its a better camera than my iPhone 11 Pro max for most photos. While some may have had issues and while shutter lag is real I wouldn't say I've had an issue. Guess depends what you take photos off

Photos of pets come out OK. Maybe those with quick moving kids could be an issue

For point and shoot pixel will always be the best option but for those buying the fold camera doesn't need to be the best Just one of the best which I think it will be

Let's face it cameras these days are so close in quality one being slightly better than the other isn't a big deal

With pixel 4a being so cheap people can always buy one of those just for photos

 

[Cycom]

Funny how the conversation keeps getting back to the things people want & like about iPhones.

Someone tell those obsessed with the iPhone Notch that this is the Samsung Galaxy Fold 2 thread.

Look, I’ll even help you get back on track...

The Fold 2 looks awesome. Would be even better with an s pen.

Also lol @ this bozo in the video picking up a package from his front door with a mask on.

 

[Cryates]

I've never thought Samsung devices had great cameras, and they were ALWAYS behind Google and Apple in my book, but this Note20 Ultra is seriously top notch, and does all of the things both from a feature set standpoint and quality that I want in one camera. I actually had no fun using Samsung cameras until now.

 

[SteveJUAE]

I like Lisa reviews and she has had the V1 fold for a year:

 

[jamezr]

@GrumpyMom has said how bad hers is for anything moving. And that any fine details, like fur on pets just doesn't get captured.

That's generally been my experience with Samsung cameras too. I've said it before on here that everyone hypes them massively yet three months after a Samsung device comes out, most people are back on their iPhones and Pixels and the cameras never get talked about as the best on the market.

That seems to have changed somewhat with the Note 20 Ultra. But even Jamezr has said that device is a bit hit and miss for every day photos.

Yeah i had both the Ultra and S20 Plus and both had different issues. The Ultra camera was just mess. The s20 Plus was not far behind it as far as slow shutter and focus issues that lead to blurry pictures. The Note 20 was a little better than though. Will see how the Fold 2 shakes out in the camera dept.

 

[Achillias]

Well, for like the 3rd time in the past two days I have a preorder in for the Fold 2 again. I keep switching between preordering this and the Tab S7 Plus. I can't decide which makes more sense for my use. I honestly think the Tab S7 Plus would be a good IPP replacement but it just doesn't excite like the Fold.

Those two are not even comparable.

 

[Aneres11]

My experience with note 20 ultra is its a better camera than my iPhone 11 Pro max for most photos. While some may have had issues and while shutter lag is real I wouldn't say I've had an issue. Guess depends what you take photos off

Photos of pets come out OK. Maybe those with quick moving kids could be an issue

For point and shoot pixel will always be the best option but for those buying the fold camera doesn't need to be the best Just one of the best which I think it will be

Let's face it cameras these days are so close in quality one being slightly better than the other isn't a big deal

With pixel 4a being so cheap people can always buy one of those just for photos

Buying a second phone just for photos isn’t really ideal though is it? Why would someone spend over a thousand pound on a Samsung device and then have to buy a cheap Pixel to get a solid point and shoot camera?!

I think for most people, the Samsung cameras are great and of course, they’re very good in terms of versatility. I’m just surprised that it’s an S20 style camera in a device costing nearly £2000 when those cameras have been less than stellar.

The Z Flip I had though, used the S10e camera but I kind of understood that due to the size of the Flip.
I think at these price points though, they should be using their best of the best.

 

[SteveJUAE]

Buying a second phone just for photos isn’t really ideal though is it? Why would someone spend over a thousand pound on a Samsung device and then have to buy a cheap Pixel to get a solid point and shoot camera?!

I think for most people, the Samsung cameras are great and of course, they’re very good in terms of versatility. I’m just surprised that it’s an S20 style camera in a device costing nearly £2000 when those cameras have been less than stellar.

The Z Flip I had though, used the S10e camera but I kind of understood that due to the size of the Flip.
I think at these price points though, they should be using their best of the best.

I think a lot of these reports are owners not understanding their devices

It's quite clear that Samsung standard mode is more aperture biased than shutter biased, they use to have an action mode but now expect most to use the pro-mode and simply dialing up iso or shutter speed gives the same result as the old action mode

I think it has little to do with cameras being inferior just using the correct mode and settings based on your chosen subject

Same as camera lag, is not real its Samsung is giving you the real time exposure experience as an SLR would if you were looking through the view finder, they could of simple given a still picture and none would of known the difference IMO

 

[The Game 161]

Buying a second phone just for photos isn’t really ideal though is it? Why would someone spend over a thousand pound on a Samsung device and then have to buy a cheap Pixel to get a solid point and shoot camera?!

I think for most people, the Samsung cameras are great and of course, they’re very good in terms of versatility. I’m just surprised that it’s an S20 style camera in a device costing nearly £2000 when those cameras have been less than stellar.

The Z Flip I had though, used the S10e camera but I kind of understood that due to the size of the Flip.
I think at these price points though, they should be using their best of the best.

No it's not ideal but it's an option

The fold 2 camera will still be a flagship level camera as its basically S20 level without the zoom.

Adding an 108mp camera and periscope lens would just add even more cost to the device.

I'm sure better a zoom will come next year where they could add an s pen.

The fold 2 will still be able to do more than any other phone on the market so that's what you are paying for. The camera will still be great and be as good as any other out there

It's a shame there is no periscope lens for zoom but the photo quality will still be impressive enough.

As I said people can't tell the difference between the top cameras these days. The difference is very small and not a deal breaker.

People buy phones for what they do at this price point. Cameras are more than good enough as they are.

 

[Aneres11]

I think a lot of these reports are owners not understanding their devices

It's quite clear that Samsung standard mode is more aperture biased than shutter biased, they use to have an action mode but now expect most to use the pro-mode and simply dialing up iso or shutter speed gives the same result as the old action mode

I think it has little to do with cameras being inferior just using the correct mode and settings based on your chosen subject

Same as camera lag, is not real its Samsung is giving you the real time exposure experience as an SLR would if you were looking through the view finder, they could of simple given a still picture and none would of known the difference IMO

So people are using them wrong?

 

[SteveJUAE]

So people are using them wrong?

You have to pick the appropriate settings for your subject matter

 

[The Game 161]

Right I’ve just processed the return to samsung for my note 20 ultra preparing my fold 2 arrival.

in the mean time i will be without a phone for about 10 days so I’m looking to pick up a pixel 3a To keep me going.

 

[jamezr]

I think a lot of these reports are owners not understanding their devices

It's quite clear that Samsung standard mode is more aperture biased than shutter biased, they use to have an action mode but now expect most to use the pro-mode and simply dialing up iso or shutter speed gives the same result as the old action mode

I think it has little to do with cameras being inferior just using the correct mode and settings based on your chosen subject

Same as camera lag, is not real its Samsung is giving you the real time exposure experience as an SLR would if you were looking through the view finder, they could of simple given a still picture and none would of known the difference IMO

But at the same time...I don't want to have to take out my phone and make tweaks to my camera app before taking a picture. Cameras on smart phones should be able to just take great snap and shoot pictures.
If I wanted to tweak things before getting great shots i would buy a DSLR.

I don't think it should be expected for the average Joe to tweak the camera settings before taking pictures on a smartphone. This will lead to missing a lot of great point and shoot opportunities.
Then who really wants to do that?

If these tweaks are needed as you say to take great shots...then shouldn't that be the default settings instead of having to tweaks things to get great shots?

 

[spinedoc77]

I've always found the iphone cameras last against pixel/samsung, in particular in low light conditions. It's only with the 11 that the iphone has finally caught up.

 

[spinedoc77]

But at the same time...I don't want to have to take out my phone and make tweaks to my camera app before taking a picture. Cameras on smart phones should be able to just take great snap and shoot pictures.
If I wanted to tweak things before getting great shots i would buy a DSLR.

I don't think it should be expected for the average Joe to tweak the camera settings before taking pictures on a smartphone. This will lead to missing a lot of great point and shoot opportunities.
Then who really wants to do that?

If these tweaks are needed as you say to take great shots...then shouldn't that be the default settings instead of having to tweaks things to get great shots?

This is an excellent point. Not too long ago I got into an argument...err discussion comparing the pixel 3 to an iphone X low light picture and how the pixel just completely blew the iphone out of the water. The argument against me was that I should have tweaked my iphone to properly take the picture. Try telling this to a parent trying to get an impromptu picture of their kid. The expectation that you can get better pictures with tweaking certainly is valid, but these cameras should be set for the average consumer who will just point and shoot.

 

[Cryates]

But at the same time...I don't want to have to take out my phone and make tweaks to my camera app before taking a picture. Cameras on smart phones should be able to just take great snap and shoot pictures.
If I wanted to tweak things before getting great shots i would buy a DSLR.

I don't think it should be expected for the average Joe to tweak the camera settings before taking pictures on a smartphone. This will lead to missing a lot of great point and shoot opportunities.
Then who really wants to do that?

If these tweaks are needed as you say to take great shots...then shouldn't that be the default settings instead of having to tweaks things to get great shots?

Yep, totally agree. I enjoy pro mode, because I like the option of having control over any and all shooting scenarios. However, the default shooting mode should absolutely be the best mix of ease and picture quality. I'd venture to guess that most folks aren't even aware of the pro mode.

 

[Awesomesince86]

In the car so I can't post it right now, but in Flossy's latest vlog he talks a lot about the Fold 2. I found it interesting that he says it's by far the best phone he's ever used...and that he wouldn't recommend it to anyone as their primary phone. He says it's a great secondary phone but he would never use it as his primary phone because it's too impractical.

 

[The Game 161]

In the car so I can't post it right now, but in Flossy's latest vlog he talks a lot about the Fold 2. I found it interesting that he says it's by far the best phone he's ever used...and that he wouldn't recommend it to anyone as their primary phone. He says it's a great secondary phone but he would never use it as his primary phone because it's too impractical.

Yeah some of what he said has made me think about the bigger picture really

As somebody who has the note ultra and s7 plus I'm starting to think... What am I doing? I'm I pre ordering because it's flashy piece of tech?

Would I miss the s pen and the better cameras? I'm thinking yes...

So I may cancel my fold 2 order lol

Sending back the note ultra when I feel is the best phone on the market is likely a tad foolish

 

[SteveJUAE]

But at the same time...I don't want to have to take out my phone and make tweaks to my camera app before taking a picture. Cameras on smart phones should be able to just take great snap and shoot pictures.
If I wanted to tweak things before getting great shots i would buy a DSLR.

I don't think it should be expected for the average Joe to tweak the camera settings before taking pictures on a smartphone. This will lead to missing a lot of great point and shoot opportunities.
Then who really wants to do that?

If these tweaks are needed as you say to take great shots...then shouldn't that be the default settings instead of having to tweaks things to get great shots?

All smartphones take great candid shots however if you have a specific style or user case you make them a default by setting on resume to last used mode if you have a preferred or often used setting

 

[Awesomesince86]

Yeah some of what he said has made me think about the bigger picture really

As somebody who has the note ultra and s7 plus I'm starting to think... What am I doing? I'm I pre ordering because it's flashy piece of tech?

Would I miss the s pen and the better cameras? I'm thinking yes...

So I may cancel my fold 2 order lol

Sending back the note ultra when I feel is the best phone on the market is likely a tad foolish

Yeah I'm in the same boat. I'm sure it'll be cool and fun to use, but not practical at all and I don't want the constant worry of breaking it.

 

[The Game 161]

Yeah I'm in the same boat. I'm sure it'll be cool and fun to use, but not practical at all and I don't want the constant worry of breaking it.

Also the price is alot more than my note ultra. £600 more and monthly the fold 2 will cost £92 a month on contract... Yikes

 

[SteveJUAE]

Yep, totally agree. I enjoy pro mode, because I like the option of having control over any and all shooting scenarios. However, the default shooting mode should absolutely be the best mix of ease and picture quality. I'd venture to guess that most folks aren't even aware of the pro mode.

I totally agree and the same most folks are not pixel peepers or heavy critics of depth of focus exposure bokeh etc etc

To them its the content/subject matter that counts and would not notice any difference between most smartphones unless you point it out to them

 

[SteveJUAE]

Yeah I'm in the same boat. I'm sure it'll be cool and fun to use, but not practical at all and I don't want the constant worry of breaking it.

You get passed this the same as when you buy your 1st expensive car and drive it home from the dealer

 

[tbayrgs]

Yeah I'm in the same boat. I'm sure it'll be cool and fun to use, but not practical at all and I don't want the constant worry of breaking it.

I understand this as well...really more so since phones have had better water and dust resistance. I've had plenty of small mishaps over the past couple of years that were non-issues thanks to the better IP ratings. Living in Florida and being able to take my phone anywhere without worrying about some moisture, dust or dirt is table stakes now. There's no way I'm living without it.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Those two are not even comparable.

Which two?

The Fold 2 and Tab S7 Plus?

Of course not. But the thinking there is for way less money I can get a phone that's a better phone than the Fold 2 and a Tab that's a better tablet than the Fold 2. The benefit of the Fold 2 is that it does the best job of being both, not that it's the best in both areas.

If you meant IPP and Tab S7 Plus, I would argue the Tab S7 is better in a lot of ways and worse in others so they are definitely comparable.