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jamezr

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Yep too much guess work going on here :)

My Note is bigger and tighter in my front jeans pocket than my Fold
That was my thought too when playing around with the original Fold. It will take up less room in my pocket than the Note or S20 Ultras did. It is just thicker which takes up less space in the pocket imho.
 
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SteveJUAE

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Then Note is thinner than the Fold. How would it be tighter?
Because its wider, when you sit down the width is more noticeable and has less room to move than the Fold as the restriction is your pocket width going to the extreme would be the Duo it's incredibly thin but wide:)

The thickness of the Fold for most pockets is not a concern unless your trousers look like they have been sprayed on LOL

People read too many non factual comments and hypothesize too much or come up with daft scenarios and over think it IMO :)
 
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SteveJUAE

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It is wider as well. The Fold seems to be a easier fit in a front pocket. Then @SteveJUAE has a Fold if I'm not mistaken and the Note 20 Ultra......he would know which takes up less space.
Correct, the thing you notice most at first is the weight in your pocket, the thickness is a non issue for most even in your top pocket in your shirt the fold slides in there easier, not that I recommend it :)

I just thought I have some Ted Baker Polo shirts with a top pocket I normally put my glasses in I bet the Fold slides in easier and the note will be a challenge, can't check now Mrs has gone to bed but tomorrow
 
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blairh

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Because its wider, when you sit down the width is more noticeable and has less room to move than the Fold as the restriction is your pocket width going to the extreme would be the Duo it's incredibly thin but wide:)

The thickness of the Fold for most pockets is not a concern unless your trousers look like they have been sprayed on LOL

People read too many non factual comments and hypothesize too much or come up with daft scenarios and over think it IMO :)
Yeah honestly I’m not convinced. I’ll know for myself next week. An extremely thick phone is not going to be comfortable when you sit down. Regardless of the more narrow profile. I’m pretty certain a wider and thinner phone is going to be much more comfortable in pocket. Especially when seated.
 

SteveJUAE

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Yeah honestly I’m not convinced. I’ll know for myself next week. An extremely thick phone is not going to be comfortable when you sit down. Regardless of the more narrow profile. I’m pretty certain a wider and thinner phone is going to be much more comfortable in pocket. Especially when seated.
Well I hope you are pleasantly surprised :)

You can simulate it now if you have a hard glasses case to hand, it's hard to describe but with the curvature of your leg a narrower device can find an easier place to lay when seated
 

Ralfi

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You can simulate it now if you have a hard glasses case to hand, it's hard to describe but with the curvature of your leg a narrower device can find an easier place to lay when seated
It’s different for everyone - combination of clothing fit, pocket size & leg dimensions.

You can’t say it’ll be comfortable for others as many things need to be right in order to accomodate this tall & thick device.
 

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I totally agree and the same most folks are not pixel peepers or heavy critics of depth of focus exposure bokeh etc etc

To them its the content/subject matter that counts and would not notice any difference between most smartphones unless you point it out to them
It’s not Pixel peeping though. My living subjects are noticeably not as clear from a casual look as they are on iPhone photos or pixel photos and even when the subject is very still fine details in hair or fur doesn’t show up for some reason, especially in highlights. Objects and landscapes are gorgeous though.

Nevertheless I think my husband is planning on getting this Fold2. He skipped on the Note but this one really has captured his attention. I hope he goes for it so I can try it out, too. Edited to add he does keep trying to talk himself out of it. Sigh.

Lol, I’m looking to get a new Apple Watch 6 in aluminum this time. My gold stainless oxidized/tarnished really badly. Ugh.:confused: So I’ve got no Samsung news going on. Nor Pixel news.
 
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spinedoc77

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It's not that big. I used to carry actual bricks in my pocket with no problem back in the 2000s. We are spoiled by the thin size of modern phones.

Thus the term "wow that phone is a brick" was conceived! Personally I'm always surprised that my ipad mini fits quite easily into my back jeans pocket, but with the Fold 2 those days are over.
 
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SteveJUAE

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It’s different for everyone - combination of clothing fit, pocket size & leg dimensions.

You can’t say it’ll be comfortable for others as many things need to be right in order to accomodate this tall & thick device.
Of course there is many variables but if you can fit the largest IPhone, Note Ultra etc etc in your pocket, some of which are taller, then Fold will fit too is the point. If anything its likely more pockets the Fold will fit being narrower

There is just too much hype about this, there is just as many pockets the Iphone max/Ultra wont fit in but do we see this almost relentless comment largely based on theorizing opposed to actual ownership
 

SteveJUAE

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It’s not Pixel peeping though. My living subjects are noticeably not as clear from a casual look as they are on iPhone photos or pixel photos and even when the subject is very still fine details in hair or fur doesn’t show up for some reason, especially in highlights. Objects and landscapes are gorgeous though.

Nevertheless I think my husband is planning on getting this Fold2. He skipped on the Note but this one really has captured his attention. I hope he goes for it so I can try it out, too. Edited to add he does keep trying to talk himself out of it. Sigh.

Lol, I’m looking to get a new Apple Watch 6 in aluminum this time. My gold stainless oxidized/tarnished really badly. Ugh.:confused: So I’ve got no Samsung news going on. Nor Pixel news.
I do not disagree it's quite clear that Samsung auto mode is very wide aperture biased and so has a very shallow depth of field

Your skill level as we all know is not average when it comes to Photography :)

My wife only uses words light highlights at the hairdressers LOL

To her and many it's the subject matter that counts :)

I blame all the critics of Samsung having too many options and overly complicated menus means useful features like action mode etc have dropped off and we may not like beauty shot :) but many do

Most of us here are not the norms for point and shoot candid shots
 

blairh

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Of course there is many variables but if you can fit the largest IPhone, Note Ultra etc etc in your pocket, some of which are taller, then Fold will fit too is the point. If anything its likely more pockets the Fold will fit being narrower

There is just too much hype about this, there is just as many pockets the Iphone max/Ultra wont fit in but do we see this almost relentless comment largely based on theorizing opposed to actual ownership
I think you are overlooking the fact that a thicker phone can be more cumbersome than a wider one. Especially when seated. Your pocket of course needs to be able to fit the footprint of a device first. That’s where we factor in the width. But assuming you can past that test, and I can fit my 8 Plus in all my pant and short pockets, then the issue becomes the thickness. First, can it fit comfortably thickness-wise when you are standing. And then more importantly, how about when you sit down. Because when you sit down is when the thickness can be a bigger issue or not. I’ll know my answer next Friday haha.
 

tbayrgs

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The Verge review is out.


That review was about what I expected. Significantly better hardware, very nice screens, still inadequate ‘tablet’ experience on Android, some limits concerning multitasking because Samsung had to work some magic for this unique design and layout. What surprised me the most was the ‘meh’ camera performance. The Galaxy S20 wasn’t considering a terrific camera performer and Dieter said he saw better results using it vs. the Fold 2—that’s a bit disappointing, considering the price.

Overall though, Samsung seems to be heading in the right direction, making significant improvements in just one iteration. I’m excited to see how it progresses over the next couple versions.

Looking forward to impressions from everyone here who took the plunge.
 

Awesomesince86

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That review was about what I expected. Significantly better hardware, very nice screens, still inadequate ‘tablet’ experience on Android, some limits concerning multitasking because Samsung had to work some magic for this unique design and layout. What surprised me the most was the ‘meh’ camera performance. The Galaxy S20 wasn’t considering a terrific camera performer and Dieter said he saw better results using it vs. the Fold 2—that’s a bit disappointing, considering the price.

Overall though, Samsung seems to be heading in the right direction, making significant improvements in just one iteration. I’m excited to see how it progresses over the next couple versions.

Looking forward to impressions from everyone here who took the plunge.

One thing I will say is that of the reviews I've read, Dieter is the only one saying the cameras arent very good. Nobody should expect them to be Note quality given the specs.
 

SteveJUAE

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I think you are overlooking the fact that a thicker phone can be more cumbersome than a wider one. Especially when seated. Your pocket of course needs to be able to fit the footprint of a device first. That’s where we factor in the width. But assuming you can past that test, and I can fit my 8 Plus in all my pant and short pockets, then the issue becomes the thickness. First, can it fit comfortably thickness-wise when you are standing. And then more importantly, how about when you sit down. Because when you sit down is when the thickness can be a bigger issue or not. I’ll know my answer next Friday haha.
Although this really is a nonsense discussion out of politeness I continue :)

What you are forgetting is your leg when siting is not flat, the top part is quite arced and the one side (flank) is flatter (outside ) and the inner side less so because of your groin

There is a tendency for your phone to slide or pushed to the outer side to avoid jabbing your groin, the Fold being narrower makes can make this movement easier and more accommodating in your pocket

Still see what happens next Friday :) in my experience this is an overly hyped subject
 

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One thing I will say is that of the reviews I've read, Dieter is the only one saying the cameras arent very good. Nobody should expect them to be Note quality given the specs.
Yeah if my husband goes for this device he’s definitely not in it for the cameras. He’s just not sure if he wants to jump in this model or wait one more generation. Also we are keeping an eye on other items in our budget.
 

Aneres11

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One thing I will say is that of the reviews I've read, Dieter is the only one saying the cameras arent very good. Nobody should expect them to be Note quality given the specs.

Perhaps not. But for that price, they should be Note quality. That's my biggest gripe with this phone really. I just don't understand why they'd put a lesser camera in when the camera bump looks the same as the Note. So it mustn't be about space or the form factor.
Just strange decisions.
 

SteveJUAE

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That review was about what I expected. Significantly better hardware, very nice screens, still inadequate ‘tablet’ experience on Android, some limits concerning multitasking because Samsung had to work some magic for this unique design and layout. What surprised me the most was the ‘meh’ camera performance. The Galaxy S20 wasn’t considering a terrific camera performer and Dieter said he saw better results using it vs. the Fold 2—that’s a bit disappointing, considering the price.

Overall though, Samsung seems to be heading in the right direction, making significant improvements in just one iteration. I’m excited to see how it progresses over the next couple versions.

Looking forward to impressions from everyone here who took the plunge.
I think it's expectations for the price :)

Like all OEM's I simply disbelieve the gave lessor spec's or cut corners as some call it, there is a very fine margin on these products. We all seem to understand that 5G costs say $100 more etc

So should the Fold 2 really been $2200/2300 with 5G bigger screen and Note 20 camera's etc

I would say Samsung knew it was a point too high and cut something out like included buds and camera to keep under the $2K, yet there will always be those who object or say I wait for it as in 3 years time they will be half price etc

I do not think there is any top tier phone that has significantly ever reduced, everyone want's more for less, but it's not going to happen on these class of phones
 
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blairh

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Although this really is a nonsense discussion out of politeness I continue :)

What you are forgetting is your leg when siting is not flat, the top part is quite arced and the one side (flank) is flatter (outside ) and the inner side less so because of your groin

There is a tendency for your phone to slide or pushed to the outer side to avoid jabbing your groin, the Fold being narrower makes can make this movement easier and more accommodating in your pocket

Still see what happens next Friday :) in my experience this is an overly hyped subject
I'm not sure what you find nonsensical about this topic. It's human nature to be concerned about how something this thick will feel in a pocket when seated.

My iPhone does not slide to the left or right of my pocket when seated always. Often times it stays directly on top of my quad.

I completely disagree that this topic is overly hyped. I won't know how much of an issue it is or isn't until I receive the device next week and try it out with a variety of pants and shorts.
 
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SteveJUAE

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I'm not sure what you find nonsensical about this topic. It's human nature to be concerned about how something this thick will feel in a pocket when seated.

My iPhone does not slide to the left or right of my pocket when seated always. Often times it stays directly on top of my quad.

I completely disagree that this topic is overly hyped. I won't know how much of an issue it is or isn't until I receive the device next week and try it out with a variety of pants and shorts.
I note a simple analogy for you:

No one is complaining their wallet folds in half and is thick because we all want flat ones so our dollar bills are flat and it's more comfortable in our pockets, No one says don't roll your money up or fold it in to a wad its so mach easier flat LOL so on :)

It's a topical debate I agree but for little good reason IMO

I agree different stokes for different folks but it is not worthy of so much attention :)
 

Awesomesince86

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Perhaps not. But for that price, they should be Note quality. That's my biggest gripe with this phone really. I just don't understand why they'd put a lesser camera in when the camera bump looks the same as the Note. So it mustn't be about space or the form factor.
Just strange decisions.

I understand that expectation. But theres always a tradeoff with how much you can add, while maintaining price, form factors, etc. I could be wrong, but I doubt they left out the Note cameras just to save them for the Fold 3. It was probably because it would increase cost or because they didnt have room in the current form factor.

I have an S20 plus and I've been happy with the cameras. They arent Pixel or Iphone levels, but theyre still very good. IF you need the very best, they arent that. But still very good.
 
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