Phones Samsung Z Fold 2

[Zito Abroad]

He's about as unbiased and as fair as they come. Yes, his Fold 2 video was maybe a bit lazy, and not in depth, but it raises some really good questions about this form factor as it stands now.

Y'all need to watch the last two minutes of this video if you think Marques is completely pro-Apple.

Not saying he's completely pro Apple. Just looking at his twitter feed, I would say he uses more Apple devices than any other device. He also apparently feels something as basic as reverse wireless charging, USB C, a high refresh rate, under display fp, would make the phone feel a little more pro. Hmmmm, I wonder what phone already have all those. He then says, "you probably don't need an iPhone 11, but then enthusiastically says, "but it is a great upgrade." He then ends the review with a positive tone. You can't say the same for the Note and Fold reviews. MKB is too experienced to make a "lazy" review on one of the most important devices of 2020. The Fold review is what it is, because that's what he wanted.

 

[Aneres11]

Didn't see too much wrong with the review personally. Or of his Note 20 Ultra review either?

The people who have ordered the device seem to be the most pressed at some reviewers negative perceptions. Who cares?
If you're in the market for a foldable and you're going to enjoy it then it doesn't really matter what a tech reviewer thinks. You'll be able to forge your own opinion.

I don't really favour any YT reviewer and I don't pay much attention to most of them either. If I did, I'd never buy any Sony phone that comes out as according to reviewers there's always a better alternative. Yet here I am typing on one and I love it.
I watch tech reviews for that sweet sweet B roll and for some android home screen set up / wallpaper ideas mostly ? which is why I never watch Flossy reviews.

That damn awful black wallpaper and horrendous weather widget on every single phone. Not my taste haha. But most people love his simplicity. I find he drones on too much and any video over 10 mins is too long IMO. His are like 30 minutes.

The point MKBHD was trying to make about that front screen kind of lost me a bit though in fairness. I got it... But didn't at the same time. I think Samsung made the absolute right move doing what they did with the Fold 2s front screen.

 

[magicman32]

My point has nothing to do with validating my opinion. Lol. Let me say it again, he doesn't make the same snarky comments about any other relevant OEM. He says the Note 20 Ultra better be good for the price. Again, he buys and reviews expensive tech for his own personal use, and has never said any other brand's product better be good because of its expensive price. There was no point in making that comment. He makes a video explaining the $600 price tag on Apple's computer wheels. Lol. Then he reviews one of the pioneering devices, of a form factor that most believe is the future of mobile devices, and he says "it's the best, but for what?" He can explain a $600 price tag on some stupid computer wheels, but he needs to ask what's the reason for the Fold to be the best foldable? Seriously? Are you seriously not seeing the problem with this? Smh.

I mean your opinion is yours and that’s fine but I definitely couldn’t disagree more and definitely don’t get any of what you’re getting from him and this review. I don’t care it wasn’t as detailed as others but I already have those reviews. His personal take and style was fine for me. And comparing a 1400 dollar mainstream Samsung phone to the specialized gear he uses for video production? C‘mon, man. That’s as big a false equivalency as I’ve ever seen.

And yes, I don’t know how long you’ve watched him but phone-wise, yeah he always was a big fan of a stock Android experience. Overall camera experience he always said Apple was the best. He definitely does not have two feet in anyone camp. Fact.

Like I said, you have your opinion and that’s cool. Reasonable people can disagree. But I get none of what you’re saying and I definitely don’t see a problem here. Other than you having some agenda or axe to grind against him for whatever reason.

 

[Joho2078]

Cameras seem good but not note 20 ultra level good and really need to be for 2k but it looks a great complete phone though

Exciting product but needs same level cameras really in the future which I imagine it will in 1-2 years...

You think the camera could be fixed software wise or no?

 

[Zito Abroad]

I mean your opinion is yours and that’s fine but I definitely couldn’t disagree more and definitely don’t get any of what you’re getting from him and this review. I don’t care it wasn’t as detailed as others but I already have those reviews. His personal take and style was fine for me. And comparing a 1400 dollar mainstream Samsung phone to the specialized gear he uses for video production? C‘mon, man. That’s as big a false equivalency as I’ve ever seen.

And yes, I don’t know how long you’ve watched him but phone-wise, yeah he always was a big fan of a stock Android experience. Overall camera experience he always said Apple was the best. He definitely does not have two feet in anyone camp. Fact.

Like I said, you have your opinion and that’s cool. Reasonable people can disagree. But I get none of what you’re saying and I definitely don’t see a problem here. Other than you having some agenda or axe to grind against him for whatever reason.

So I can't have an opinion about a YT reviewer without having an axe to grind, because it doesn't match your opinion of that YT reviewer. Haha, oh the irony.

Nonetheless, we're derailing this thread. I don't want to ruin this thread for the people interested in this device. Let's stay on topic, that being, the Fold 2, the most important and most premium phone of 2020.

 

[magicman32]

So I can't have an opinion about a YT reviewer without having an axe to grind, because it doesn't match your opinion of that YT reviewer. Haha, oh the irony.

Nonetheless, we're derailing this thread. I don't want to ruin this thread for the people interested in this device. Let's stay on topic, that being, the Fold 2, the most important and most premium phone of 2020.

Your comments were loaded with anger and condescension because his opinion of the Fold 2 clearly doesn’t match what you want it to be. So you framed a whole narrative against him. We agree on this: Oh the irony is right.

Edit: I’m utterly enamored with the Fold, and I have zero issues with what he said about it still.

 

[Zito Abroad]

Your comments were loaded with anger and condescension because his opinion of the Fold 2 clearly doesn’t match what you want it to be. So you framed a whole narrative against him. We agree on this: Oh the irony is right.

And you keep going. Loaded with anger? Wow, you really seem to be taking this personal. Just because my opinion of his review doesn't match yours, you framed a whole narrative against me, as if I'm angry. Get a grip.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Didn't see too much wrong with the review personally. Or of his Note 20 Ultra review either?

The people who have ordered the device seem to be the most pressed at some reviewers negative perceptions. Who cares?
If you're in the market for a foldable and you're going to enjoy it then it doesn't really matter what a tech reviewer thinks. You'll be able to forge your own opinion.

I don't really favour any YT reviewer and I don't pay much attention to most of them either. If I did, I'd never buy any Sony phone that comes out as according to reviewers there's always a better alternative. Yet here I am typing on one and I love it.
I watch tech reviews for that sweet sweet B roll and for some android home screen set up / wallpaper ideas mostly ? which is why I never watch Flossy reviews.

That damn awful black wallpaper and horrendous weather widget on every single phone. Not my taste haha. But most people love his simplicity. I find he drones on too much and any video over 10 mins is too long IMO. His are like 30 minutes.

The point MKBHD was trying to make about that front screen kind of lost me a bit though in fairness. I got it... But didn't at the same time. I think Samsung made the absolute right move doing what they did with the Fold 2s front screen.

My issue isn't the negative points he made. Although him criticizing the phone for making the front display better was weird.

My issue was that he phoned it in. It was a lazy review with very little detail. He didn't go into depth with really any aspect of the phone. It felt like an unboxing and not a full review.

 

[Ralfi]

Then you add that he actually made a video explaining the $600 Apple wheels, says it all. I don't know why people think he's an android guy, he plays the fence, but he's through and through, an Apple user,

He actually favours the OnePlus phones. He’s voted them the best overall smartphone two years in a row.

? I thought he sly mocked those wheels. Who in their right mind wouldn’t.

His review of the Fold 2 was fair imo. It’s not the perfect foldable by any means & It’s way out of reach for most people right now. But it’s better than anything else out there.

I think the screen dimensions need tweaking. It just seems too square. & most videos will have decent black bars for the most common OAR. I feel that foldable needs to fold out to widescreen by default as that won’t mean the smaller screen’s too tall/narrow as the Fold’s is. But this would require either a wider front screen or a dual-hinged device.

Very hard to make an ideal foldable, but Samsung are getting there.

 

[blairh]

He actually favours the OnePlus phones. He’s voted them the best overall smartphone two years in a row.

? I thought he sly mocked those wheels. Who in their right mind wouldn’t.

His review of the Fold 2 was fair imo. It’s not the perfect foldable by any means & It’s way out of reach for most people right now. But it’s better than anything else out there.

I think the screen dimensions need tweaking. It just seems too square. & most videos will have decent black bars for the most common OAR. I feel that foldable needs to fold out to widescreen by default as that won’t mean the smaller screen’s too tall/narrow as the Fold’s is. But this would require either a wider front screen or a dual-hinged device.

Very hard to make an ideal foldable, but Samsung are getting there.

Look at the dimensions of the Huawei Mate XS. That’s where I hope we see the Fold 3 end up. Both screens need to be a touch bigger. Outer screen for better typing. Inner screen in turn will get to roughly 8” and hopefully less square as you said.

 

[Cryates]

Just looking at his twitter feed, I would say he uses more Apple devices than any other device.

Well, actually you need to take a look at the tweet details. 99% of the time his tweets come from "Flamingo for Android" or "Tweetbot for Mac". His current daily driver is a OnePlus 8 Pro, which actually shows up in multiple unrelated videos of his over the last several months. He's said before that he carries an iPhone with him, presumably for very specific reasons, but his primary phone is not an iOS device and never has been.

 

[Joho2078]

Well, actually you need to take a look at the tweet details. 99% of the time his tweets come from "Flamingo for Android" or "Tweetbot for Mac". His current daily driver is a OnePlus 8 Pro, which actually shows up in multiple unrelated videos of his over the last several months. He's said before that he carries an iPhone with him, presumably for very specific reasons, but his primary phone is not an iOS device and never has been.

Let’s all get along

 

[Cryates]

Anyways, I'm going to move on from the MKBHD talk, and apologize for my part of keeping the thread off-topic. The Fold 2 looks like fantastic tech in my opinion, and I hope those who ordered it thoroughly enjoy it.

 

[tbayrgs]

Well, actually you need to take a look at the tweet details. 99% of the time his tweets come from "Flamingo for Android" or "Tweetbot for Mac". His current daily driver is a OnePlus 8 Pro, which actually shows up in multiple unrelated videos of his over the last several months. He's said before that he carries an iPhone with him, presumably for very specific reasons, but his primary phone is not an iOS device and never has been.

Yeah, claiming he's an Apple fanboy is as tired and out of touch as claiming the Verge is Apple's mouth piece.

He absolutely uses a bunch of Apple gear and with good reason for his needs. Final Cut Pro is his preferred video editing software so of course he's going to use the most powerful Mac he can get his hands on. For a tablet that isn't primarily for production, the iPad Pro 11" is the best at what it does, at that size. He wears an Apple Watch because he's also acknowledge it's best for his fitness needs and doesn't want to have a large, bulky watch on when he's practicing for ultimate frisbee. At the same time, he used a Microsoft Surface Laptop 2 for a long time, uses Android as his primary daily driver and clearly prefers non-Apple headphones.

He has professed his preference for stock or near stock Android for years now. Consequently, his favorite phones have generally been Pixels and OnePlus models--they are alway his primary daily drivers. He's never loved Samsung's software and finds the Pixel's cameras are his favorite for stills and the iPhone's best for video. That being said, he pretty much always touts Samsung's superior hardware as the best in the industry and his take on the Fold 2 didn't contradict that. None of these sentiments really differ from much of technosphere's take on Samsung or Android. Go read Android Central, Android Police, the Verge or any number of tech sites or YouTube reviewers and I'd wager a pretty significant majority lean towards Pixels or OnePlus models.

Just sounds like a few here are upset that their lust for the Fold 2 isn't shared to the same overwhelming degree. I agree with @Awesomesince86 in that it didn't feel like a full, detailed review but he also wasn't saying anything a lot of other reviewers weren't also echoing--greatly improved hardware with software that needs some work and a device that most people shouldn't buy because of the price.

I'll preface that I love Flossy's unique style and watch a lot of his videos, but if you want to go listen to someone kiss Samsung's ass for 45 min, he's your man.

 

[ian87w]

I'll be honest, lately I've noticed he's come across as a Samsung hater. His review of the Note 20 Ultra wasn't exactly that great either. He never completely trashes Samsung devices, because he's not that dumb to try such a thing. He knows Samsung devices are easily some of the best and most advanced devices out there. Instead, he adds little snarky comments, to take away some of the shine of whatever Samsung flagship he's reviewing. For the Note 20 Ultra, he's says it's good, "but for that price, it better be." Really? It better be? Has he ever used that comment on any expensive tech he's reviewed? Red Cameras, Teslas, or any Apple device. You know all the expensive things he buys himself. Now in this review he says the Fold 2 is the best foldable, and then adds, "but for what?" The fact he can ask such a dumb question, and call himself a tech enthusiasts just shows he's full of it. Then you add that he actually made a video explaining the $600 Apple wheels, says it all. I don't know why people think he's an android guy, he plays the fence, but he's through and through, an Apple user, and that's totally fine. But these days, if you want to watch a review of a product, you're better off watching reviews from people who actually choose to use the product as their personal device. So for Samsung products, watch reviews from people who truly like the brand. For Apple, go with the reviewers that use Apple devices. This is the only way you'll get to see a really thorough review of what a device can do. So it's basically come down to, if you're wanting to watch a Samsung review, and the reviewers wearing an Apple watch, don't bother with the review. Reviewers are human and humans are tribal, that's what the industry has come down to now. Let's not forget, YouTube reviews have become a big business, so we have no clue who's being paid off, and I don't mean only in money. No matter how much they tell you otherwise.

Wait, so you are recommending people to only watch/read reviews from the fan of the products themselves? Wouldn't that completely biased your own view of the product?

When I research of a product review, I will try to get reviews from all over, pros and cons, both the fans and haters, so I can get a balanced impression in my mind from different perspectives prior to making up my own mind.

I personally don't see issues with MKBHD. He is actually one of the few closer to neutral ones on youtube.The beauty of the internet is that you can find opposing views, and then use your own critical thinking to make up your own opinion. If you only want to read/watch things that already agree with you, well, I guess that's your choice.

 

[ian87w]

For those of you criticizing MKBHD on his review, do note that he was on a project with David Blaine when he got the Fold 2.

And it's not like we have not seen the Fold 2 yet. Performance wise, we already see the SD865+ on the Note 20 Ultra. The cameras, we already see them on the Galaxy S20. It's actually a good idea to focus more on the unique features of the Fold 2 rather than rehashing stuff that can be obtained from reading/watching reviews of other Samsung phones with the same components.

The beauty of the internet is, you can gather information not just from MKBHD. For example, I usually watch MKBHD for the baseline review, then go to GSMarena for further details, then maybe Ars (if they did a review) or Anandtech (for really in depth hardware/software stuff). And add on iJustine, MrMobile, and Jonrettinger for extra points. Then I make up my own mind.

I mean we still have our own critical thinking, right?

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

For those of you criticizing MKBHD on his review, do note that he was on a project with David Blaine when he got the Fold 2.

And it's not like we have not seen the Fold 2 yet. Performance wise, we already see the SD865+ on the Note 20 Ultra. The cameras, we already see them on the Galaxy S20. It's actually a good idea to focus more on the unique features of the Fold 2 rather than rehashing stuff that can be obtained from reading/watching reviews of other Samsung phones with the same components.

The beauty of the internet is, you can gather information not just from MKBHD. For example, I usually watch MKBHD for the baseline review, then go to GSMarena for further details, then maybe Ars (if they did a review) or Anandtech (for really in depth hardware/software stuff). And add on iJustine, MrMobile, and Jonrettinger for extra points. Then I make up my own mind.

I mean we still have our own critical thinking, right?

I think it's more than fair to say his reviews have become trash in comparison to how detailed his reviews used to be.

 

[Joho2078]

For those of you criticizing MKBHD on his review, do note that he was on a project with David Blaine when he got the Fold 2.

And it's not like we have not seen the Fold 2 yet. Performance wise, we already see the SD865+ on the Note 20 Ultra. The cameras, we already see them on the Galaxy S20. It's actually a good idea to focus more on the unique features of the Fold 2 rather than rehashing stuff that can be obtained from reading/watching reviews of other Samsung phones with the same components.

The beauty of the internet is, you can gather information not just from MKBHD. For example, I usually watch MKBHD for the baseline review, then go to GSMarena for further details, then maybe Ars (if they did a review) or Anandtech (for really in depth hardware/software stuff). And add on iJustine, MrMobile, and Jonrettinger for extra points. Then I make up my own mind.

I mean we still have our own critical thinking, right?

For me, I just make up my own mind and don’t really watch YouTube videos until after I purchased it or when I have it and want to learn more about it such as customization etc. I know what I want when I want it like I knew I hated the Z Flip and 5g version because I don’t want that style of a phone. I didn’t care about anything else. I don’t like to Duo for a few reasons. Two being the bezels and no exterior display. Oh and no 5g etc etc. But this is why it’s so fun to come to these forums and discuss things

 

[Mellofello808]

I really want a fold 2, but I am a clumsy guy and drop my phone a lot.

It seems a bit too delicate for me.

 

[Joho2078]

I really want a fold 2, but I am a clumsy guy and drop my phone a lot.

It seems a bit too delicate for me.

Hopefully they come out with some really nice and protective cases soon

 

[ian87w]

I really want a fold 2, but I am a clumsy guy and drop my phone a lot.

It seems a bit too delicate for me.

This thing is probably more durable than we think.
Here’s a review of the Fold 1 by a contractor

 

[The Game 161]

You think the camera could be fixed software wise or no?

No it's hardware related

Fold 3 is said to have same cameras as as least note ultra but I feel for 2k the cameras need to be the same as their S series

 

[spinedoc77]

Yeah, claiming he's an Apple fanboy is as tired and out of touch as claiming the Verge is Apple's mouth piece.

He absolutely uses a bunch of Apple gear and with good reason for his needs. Final Cut Pro is his preferred video editing software so of course he's going to use the most powerful Mac he can get his hands on. For a tablet that isn't primarily for production, the iPad Pro 11" is the best at what it does, at that size. He wears an Apple Watch because he's also acknowledge it's best for his fitness needs and doesn't want to have a large, bulky watch on when he's practicing for ultimate frisbee. At the same time, he used a Microsoft Surface Laptop 2 for a long time, uses Android as his primary daily driver and clearly prefers non-Apple headphones.

He has professed his preference for stock or near stock Android for years now. Consequently, his favorite phones have generally been Pixels and OnePlus models--they are alway his primary daily drivers. He's never loved Samsung's software and finds the Pixel's cameras are his favorite for stills and the iPhone's best for video. That being said, he pretty much always touts Samsung's superior hardware as the best in the industry and his take on the Fold 2 didn't contradict that. None of these sentiments really differ from much of technosphere's take on Samsung or Android. Go read Android Central, Android Police, the Verge or any number of tech sites or YouTube reviewers and I'd wager a pretty significant majority lean towards Pixels or OnePlus models.

Just sounds like a few here are upset that their lust for the Fold 2 isn't shared to the same overwhelming degree. I agree with @Awesomesince86 in that it didn't feel like a full, detailed review but he also wasn't saying anything a lot of other reviewers weren't also echoing--greatly improved hardware with software that needs some work and a device that most people shouldn't buy because of the price.

I'll preface that I love Flossy's unique style and watch a lot of his videos, but if you want to go listen to someone kiss Samsung's ass for 45 min, he's your man.

MKB's review was quite lackluster, it seems like he is just getting behind the camera for his YT views and going through the motions. But I'm not complaining, there are tons of other reviewers to look at anyway, seems like new guys pop up every day. Also at the end of the day I think most stuff has been covered, what else are people looking for in a review that hasn't been covered? I can only think maybe it's a specific app's performance or something very unique like that, otherwise most reviews seem to have covered all of the bases. At some point you are going to have to decide to buy or not buy the phone and make your own decisions.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Not to prolong the MKBHD discussion further, but just to clear something up...

He usually carries 2 devices with him. He's talked about it in the past. He carries the newest plus model iphone and his favorite Android device. He's also been vocal in the past that the Pixel phones are his favorite version of Android but like many he's tired of being let down by them and has recently switched to OnePlus.

I wouldn't call him biased towards a certain brand. He doesn't seem to like Samsung software and that's fine.

 

[GadgetSN]

MKB is correct though.

I've cancelled my order 4 times now. I really want this phone. I can easily afford this phone. However I am very careful with my money and know that the device is not really ready both from a hardware and software point of view. Too bulky and still too fragile. The thin glass screen looks and feels like a plastic screen no matter how Samsung describes it. Apps that make the use of the folding screen is virtually non existent. Apps that make full use of a standard android tablet screen is already lacking.

Early adopters will have the cool factor but to say it can replace a proper tablet right now is a joke.

I eagerly await the fold 4 or 5.