SATA Express meets the '09 Mac Pro - Bootable NGFF PCIE SSD

[666sheep]

I have a quick question: does your XP941 show temperature reading?

I received mine today along with Lycom adapter and none of sensor monitoring apps I have show temps of this SSD. Hardware Monitor nor HWSensors. It's visible under HWSensors HWMonitor "SSD Remaining Life" group, though.

 

[mikeboss]

I'm not getting any temperature readings either.

 

[Jack40]

Do xp 941adapters works on PCIe x16 slot?

Do xp 941 adapters works on PCIe x16 slot?

 

[MacVidCards]

I have a quick question: does your XP941 show temperature reading?

I received mine today along with Lycom adapter and none of sensor monitoring apps I have show temps of this SSD. Hardware Monitor nor HWSensors. It's visible under HWSensors HWMonitor "SSD Remaining Life" group, though.

Pretty sure I saw a temp reading in "Trim Enabler" of all places.

 

[666sheep]

Hmm, perhaps I should pay Cindori $10 TRIM enabler shows temps of all my mechanical drives but none of SSDs.
HWMonitor shows EVOs but not the XP941.

 

[MacVidCards]

New Mystery

I didn't pay the $10, I'm running the reg version.

 

[666sheep]

That's weird indeed. What adapter you're using? I'll check in 10.9 and Yose (my main is ML), perhaps it's OS dependent somehow...

 

[MacVidCards]

That's weird indeed. What adapter you're using? I'll check in 10.9 and Yose (my main is ML), perhaps it's OS dependent somehow...

The Lycom i believe, from Ramcity in Oz.

Trim Enabler sees my 2 other SSDs, says one is 32F (0 C) and the other is "null"

will try other OSs and in 3,1. (in 4,1 now)

 

[666sheep]

Mine is on Lycom as well. I updated TRIM Enabler to latest and tried in 10.9.5. Now it show EVOs temps, but still null for NGFF one. Only differences would be capacity (I have 256GB, you 512 as far I recall) and firmware. I believe that Trim Enabler and HWMonitor use the same smartmontools.

 

[ibarnett]

Off the top of my head, there's about a 15% difference in performance between the 512GB and 256GB versions of the XP941, so yes I would expect a RAID setup of 2x256GB to provide greater performance than a single 512GB SSD There's still a lot of headroom left on the PCIe 2.0 bus, assuming it's at least a x4 (4-lane) slot.



Yes, Bplus make one. Stay tuned to barefeats.com for a benchmark of this setup, but with 512GB XP941's - very soon.

Could you advise whether there is a "boot lag" with these on the adapter?
I.e. With a standard SSD on a pcie card, boot is slower even though after boot performance is better.
Also does "option" key at boot work?
And, does bootchamp work to boot to windows on another drive.
Sorry for all the questions

 

[handheldgames]

Could you advise whether there is a "boot lag" with these on the adapter?
I.e. With a standard SSD on a pcie card, boot is slower even though after boot performance is better.
Also does "option" key at boot work?

Sorry for all the questions

There is no controller beyond the ssd. In these solutions, boot lag is not an issue. Option boot works and users have reported success with boot camp.

FWIW... I just picked up a new samsung/apple 512gb ssd on eBay for $399. There is one left.

 

[CASLondon]

There is no controller beyond the ssd. In these solutions, boot lag is not an issue. Option boot works and users have reported success with boot camp.

FWIW... I just picked up a new samsung/apple 512gb ssd on eBay for $399. There is one left.

That drive is a SATA III SSD, not a PCI-E one, am I right? I think I see the one you were looking at, correct me if I'm wrong

 

[handheldgames]

That drive is a SATA III SSD, not a PCI-E one, am I right? I think I see the one you were looking at, correct me if I'm wrong

I picked up the drive from Sputnik_systems and it was a PCIe ssd. They had 2 yesterday around 420pm pst and I grabbed one. I had to double check and I'm glad it's not an of crap moment.

 

[flowrider]

Hmm, perhaps I should pay Cindori $10 TRIM enabler shows temps of all my mechanical drives but none of SSDs.
HWMonitor shows EVOs but not the XP941.

I didn't pay the $10, I'm running the reg version.

IMHO, Cindori is one of the good guys and deserves our support. There are so many money grubbers out there, Oskar Groth aka Cindori is not one of them. An example of a developer who is, is bjango software, the writers of iStat Menus. I bought this software early this year, and less than six months later they updated to version 5. I wrote them 2 eMails saying it was industry practice not to charge for updates for at least a year after initial purchase. They ignored my eMails. While I like the software, I don't like their policy. Cindori is not of of those guys.

Lou

 

[CASLondon]

I picked up the drive from Sputnik_systems and it was a PCIe ssd. They had 2 yesterday around 420pm pst and I grabbed one. I had to double check and I'm glad it's not an of crap moment.

I looked just now, and it looks like he's got 4 x 512s, but they are older models, for 2012. I can't see any evidence of more, but my adapter's shipped so I'm ready

 

[666sheep]

IMHO, Cindori is one of the good guys and deserves our support. There are so many money grubbers out there, Oskar Groth aka Cindori is not one of them. An example of a developer who is, is bjango software, the writers of iStat Menus. I bought this software early this year, and less than six months later they updated to version 5. I wrote them 2 eMails saying it was industry practice not to charge for updates for at least a year after initial purchase. They ignored my eMails. While I like the software, I don't like their policy. Cindori is not of of those guys.

Lou

Relax Lou, you clearly didn't get the context. I'll explain it then: I meant that perhaps paid version is able to read more SMART attributes than free one. But as MVC confirmed that wasn't the case.

 

[flowrider]

^^^^I understood, my point simply was, that if you use TRIM Enabler, you should pay for it. The developer is a good guy (a member of this forum) and should be supported.

Lou

 

[666sheep]

^^^^I understood, my point simply was, that if you use TRIM Enabler, you should pay for it.

If Cindori would want to do TE paid only app, he would do it. But that's another story which doesn't belong to this thread.

 

[handheldgames]

I looked just now, and it looks like he's got 4 x 512s, but they are older models, for 2012. I can't see any evidence of more, but my adapter's shipped so I'm ready

The best thing to do is keep looking and when a good price pops up, grab it. It took me about a week to find the $400 deal, looking here and there.

My ebay search terms are: macbook ssd late 2013, apple samsung ssd late 2013. With the max price set to $800 to filter out the MacBooks.

 

[Loa]

Hello,

When searching on eBay for the SSDs, are there a few parts number we could look for (to make sure we don't get the wrong part)? Also, are the 2013 Macbook pro and nMP SSDs the same?

Unless we spend a lot of time keeping track of the options, it's just not easy to see through them all.

Loa

 

[ShawnF]

The best thing to do is keep looking and when a good price pops up, grab it. It took me about a week to find the $400 deal, looking here and there.

My ebay search terms are: macbook ssd late 2013, apple samsung ssd late 2013. With the max price set to $800 to filter out the MacBooks.

Just out of curiosity - if we buy the Apple PCI-E SSDs on eBay, do we get parts warranty and, if yes, who will honor the warranty - retailer or manufaturer? I know Samsung doesn't offer for the XP941. Just curious as some of these are selling as Used Parts.

Do you know?

 

[CASLondon]

no, you have whatever warranty your ebay seller offers, no more.

I did see rumours that Samsung might be retailing these drives later in the year, when OWC starts selling Apple form factor PCI-E drives. Those should have warranties if true

 

[stmp]

Thanks gents for all the info here; hopefully my question is in the right place:

Anyone know if the Lycom/Bplus/Sintech NGFF M.2 PCIe adapters will support the next round of PCIe SSDs that use NVMe instead of AHCI?

To clarify, this is in regards to the standard Samsung adapters, not the custoe Apple interface for SSD blades pulled from the rMBP or nMP.

My understanding is limited, but it seems like the NVMe spec will be a software implementation in the same NGFF M.2 form factor, but it would be great if someone here had a better technical understanding to share.

Thanks in advance!

 

[666sheep]

^^^As long as I'm understanding this right, pass-trough adapters like mentioned will support any specification that SSD controller will use. It's up to OS whether it will have drivers for NVMe. Win 8.1 and Linux do, I didn't hear about OS X support of NVMe, though.

 

[stmp]

Hey thanks much for that info! Guess it will remain to be seen if and when OS X will support NVMe, if it all.

Cheers