Saying goodbye to iPhone...

[jamezr]

Are you taking into account that android can be on phones that range from premium flagship devices to ones found in a box of cereal?

People such as us who clamour and discuss our devices ad nauseam are such a minoroty we are lucky to make up a fraction of a percent of the population. You know what appeals to people, particularly the poor? Free. And what phones are free on contract unless you go 3 iterations back? Android.

This argument is apples to oranges and always will be unless Apple decides to enter all markets that android manufacturers do. Until then it is drivel at best

Hmmmm so free phone with no money down are what again? You know that AT&T is running a buy one get one free for the iphone 6? You can get a iPhone for no money with just payments or on two year contract with some carriers.
But again sales are sales no matter what the price point is.

I wish! It's a store demo unit.

I get money today! TMO is shipping their pre-orders early. It's on the UPS truck out for delivery.

 

[geoff5093]

not going to use a Samsung phone even if it was for free... enjoy it.
Bye

Why not? If you're one of those people that used a Samsung phone years ago and said "never again", you're missing out since a lot has changed for the better.

easy answer: because it's cheap
those numbers are made by android powered crappy cheap phones

So are second hand iPhones. The S7 Edge is almost $800, far from cheap.

 

[noobinator]

Second hand phone sales don't count in the mfg sales numbers.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

Hmmmm so free phone with no money down are what again? You know that AT&T is running a buy one get one free for the iphone 6? You can get a iPhone for no money with just payments or on two year contract with some carriers.
But again sales are sales no matter what the price point is.

AT&T is running a buy one get one free on the iPhones 6? No kidding? WOW. And I bet the market share statistics of android versus OIS coincide with the timing of that promotion Come on it has been what, not even a full year since carriers started doing away with 2 year contracts? You mean to tell me of the hundreds of millions of phones out there, they represent all purchases in the last 12 months? Ok. When 2 year contracts were in their prime, it was android running phones that were not only free, but often pushed by the carriers because they were the phones that carried branding all over the front and back.

By the way, on Verizon customers could get a Galaxy Core Prime, LG G Vista, HTC Desire 626, Microsoft Lumina 725, HTC Desire 526, or LG Lancet for $5-$8 per month as opposed to an iPhone ranging from $19 to $39 per month. We won't even touch on the variation for straight talk plans. It's clear as day.

 

[Cakefish]

I get money today! TMO is shipping their pre-orders early. It's on the UPS truck out for delivery.

Wooooo!

Are you over at Android Central forums?

Would love to know some real world battery info, camera samples and some benchmarks to satisfy my inner geek

 

[eyoungren]

…sales are sales…

OK. What does this mean? You've repeated it several times.

Do you mean that the total amount of sales (including ALL markets) is the only metric that matters? And therefore makes Android king of all in every way? And that based on that any argument we have for anything other than Android is irrelevant?

Because it sure sounds (to me) like that's what you are saying.

 

[jamezr]

AT&T is running a buy one get one free on the iPhones 6? No kidding? WOW. And I bet the market share statistics of android versus OIS coincide with the timing of that promotion Come on it has been what, not even a full year since carriers started doing away with 2 year contracts? You mean to tell me of the hundreds of millions of phones out there, they represent all purchases in the last 12 months? Ok. When 2 year contracts were in their prime, it was android running phones that were not only free, but often pushed by the carriers because they were the phones that carried branding all over the front and back.

By the way, on Verizon customers could get a Galaxy Core Prime, LG G Vista, HTC Desire 626, Microsoft Lumina 725, HTC Desire 526, or LG Lancet for $5-$8 per month as opposed to an iPhone ranging from $19 to $39 per month. We won't even touch on the variation for straight talk plans. It's clear as day.

C'mon now......this started because some people only want high end iPhone sales to count for sales figures. That's absurd. sales are sales no matter where no matter what the price is.

The Sprint just announced they are bringing back the two year contract.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/26/11121158/sprint-two-year-contracts-smartphone-sales-revival
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OK. What does this mean? You've repeated it several times.

Do you mean that the total amount of sales (including ALL markets) is the only metric that matters? And therefore makes Android king of all in every way? And that based on that any argument we have for anything other than Android is irrelevant?

Because it sure sounds (to me) like that's what you are saying.

It means just what it says. It seems some here only want to count high end sales. But that is not accurate. ALL sales count when reporting sales numbers. Then those sales number equate to the market share number reported earlier in this thread.
I don't understand the logic behind trying to downplay the market share numbers.
true that there are some low end low cost Android phones...but so what? Those sales still count in reporting numbers.
Are you saying those sales shouldn't count? Because it sure looks that way to me.
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Wooooo!

Are you over at Android Central forums?

Would love to know some real world battery info, camera samples and some benchmarks to satisfy my inner geek

I will post thoughts and pictures in the Galaxy S7 thread here on MR

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

C'mon now......this started because some people only want high end iPhone sales to count for sales figures. That's absurd. sales are sales no matter where no matter what the price is.

The Sprint just announced they are bringing back the two year contract.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/26/11121158/sprint-two-year-contracts-smartphone-sales-revival

If you, or anyone, are going to compare the market share of android vs iOS and try to make a statement that more people clearly prefer one platform over the other......... to ignore the sheer number of choices on one platform vs the other, or the price points of one platform vs the other, is pure ignorance and you know it.

If a person of low income needing a phone walks into a store that sells a $749 iphone or a $100 android phone and they have $100 in their pocket, it does not matter anymore that they prefer iOS. They are leaving with that android because it is all they can afford. And that not a limited situation. So when trying to muddle preference of operating system with sales/market share then no, sales are sales is an absurd assessment.

Edit: Maybe you are missing the point that someone suggested that iOS must clearly lack vs Android because there are more android phones sold. That is the preface for these statements.

 

[Cakefish]

There's a Galaxy S7 thread here on MR? I did not know this. I'll see you there!

We've got our first Geekbench result for the Exynos version over on Android Central forums. It'd be really interesting to see how Snapdragon 820 compares!

 

[eyoungren]

It means just what it says. It seems some here only want to count high end sales. But that is not accurate. ALL sales count when reporting sales numbers. Then those sales number equate to the market share number reported earlier in this thread.
I don't understand the logic behind trying to downplay the market share numbers.
true that there are some low end low cost Android phones...but so what? Those sales still count in reporting numbers.
Are you saying those sales shouldn't count? Because it sure looks that way to me.
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I will post thoughts and pictures in the Galaxy S7 thread here on MR

I'm saying I'm confused by what you are trying to argue.

Rolls Royce, Ferrari and Lamborghini do not have a large market share based on sales figures that include all markets. Does that make those car manufacturers unpopular or indicate that their product is crap because they don't sell very much?

You're arguing that all collective sales makes Android the top seller. Fine. I won't argue that point. But just because Android is king in the all around doesn't make it king in high-end sales and it doesn't mean Apple is selling an inferior product.

I'll say it back to you. Sales are sales. The numbers count for reporting purposes and ALL it means is Android sold a lot. It has no connection to WHY and no reflection on the actual VALUE of the product to those who bought it. It's just sales numbers that show Android sells more. Beyond that it's meaningless.

 

[jamezr]

If you, or anyone, are going to compare the market share of android vs iOS and try to make a statement that more people clearly prefer one platform over the other......... to ignore the sheer number of choices on one platform vs the other, or the price points of one platform vs the other, is pure ignorance and you know it.

If a person of low income needing a phone walks into a store that sells a $749 iphone or a $100 android phone and they have $100 in their pocket, it does not matter anymore that they prefer iOS. They are leaving with that android because it is all they can afford. And that not a limited situation. So when trying to muddle preference of operating system with sales/market share then no, sales are sales is an absurd assessment.

Edit: Maybe you are missing the point that someone suggested that iOS must clearly lack vs Android because there are more android phones sold. That is the preface for these statements.

Stop being so defensive. There are enormous amounts of diversity and choice and price points on the Android platform. I have not said otherwise. So what? apple is the only one sell IOS devices and that is by design. It has worked out well for them. But all that doesn't blur the facts. The sales numbers don't lie either. The marketshare numbers don't lie either. Sales are still sales. No matter if it was a low end Android phone or a high end Android phone or a high end Apple phone.
Sales are still sales. Anyone saying only high end sales should count or make up sales data and market share data is pure ignorance and you know it.

sales are sales....they all add up to market share. they don't mean one platform is better than the other. I have never said that.

 

[mrochester]

Because a lot of people can't afford or are not interested in spending as much as it costs to get an iPhone.

No kidding...

I was talking about Android and iOS, not manufactures. More are using Android and if iOS is so great, than why haven't the rest of the crowed switched over ?

gr

 

[jamezr]

I'm saying I'm confused by what you are trying to argue.

Rolls Royce, Ferrari and Lamborghini do not have a large market share based on sales figures that include all markets. Does that make those car manufacturers unpopular or indicate that their product is crap because they don't sell very much?

You're arguing that all collective sales makes Android the top seller. Fine. I won't argue that point. But just because Android is king in the all around doesn't make it king in high-end sales and it doesn't mean Apple is selling an inferior product.

I'll say it back to you. Sales are sales. The numbers count for reporting purposes and ALL it means is Android sold a lot. It has no connection to WHY and no reflection on the actual VALUE of the product to those who bought it. It's just sales numbers that show Android sells more. Beyond that it's meaningless.

I think you are missing the point and context. sales are sales....they don't mean one platform is better than the other It just means one platform sold more than the other. Just because you paid a lot for something doesn't make it better and vice versa as well.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

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Stop being so defensive. There are enormous amounts of diversity and choice and price points on the Android platform. I have not said otherwise. So what? apple is the only one sell IOS devices and that is by design. It has worked out well for them. But all that doesn't blur the facts. The sales numbers don't lie either. The marketshare numbers don't lie either. Sales are still sales. No matter if it was a low end Android phone or a high end Android phone or a high end Apple phone.
Sales are still sales. Anyone saying only high end sales should count or make up sales data and market share data is pure ignorance and you know it.

sales are sales....they all add up to market share. they don't mean one platform is better than the other. I have never said that.

I am going to try and dumb this down for you as much as I can. A member said that if iOS was so good, then there would be more iOS users than Android. I made the statement that when you are talking about one platform which targets a very isolated subset of the population compared to another that is targeted to every soul under the sun.....you can not equate pure sales to preference. Demographics, availability, income are ALL factors that impact the sales above and beyond "preference of platform". I am trying very, very hard to help you conceive this. You keep running back to this sales are sales crap when it clearly does not apply to my point.

If you mean defensive as in defending common sense vs what you are trying to sell then yeah, I'm guilty. As for you never saying that sales don't mean one platform is better than the other......remember two things. A) I never accused 'you' of saying that and B) you are the one that came quoting me with your agenda not the other way around....

 

[mrex]

easy answer: because it's cheap
those numbers are made by android powered crappy cheap phones

as well as ios share has been built by subs./installment plans etc..?

what would be the ios share in usa without getting it with a contract? what would happen to iphone without these new installment plans?

 

[jamezr]

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I am going to try and dumb this down for you as much as I can. A member said that if iOS was so good, then there would be more iOS users than Android. I made the statement that when you are talking about one platform which targets a very isolated subset of the population compared to another that is targeted to every soul under the sun.....you can not equate pure sales to preference. Demographics, availability, income are ALL factors that impact the sales above and beyond "preference of platform". I am trying very, very hard to help you conceive this. You keep running back to this sales are sales crap when it clearly does not apply to my point.

If you mean defensive as in defending common sense vs what you are trying to sell then yeah, I'm guilty. As for you never saying that sales don't mean one platform is better than the other......remember two things. A) I never accused 'you' of saying that and B) you are the one that came quoting me with your agenda not the other way around....

lol....so when you can't win your points with logic and common sense....all some have left are insults.
The people that lack the intelligence to reason with others think that insults will somehow make their point of view have more substance.

I am going to try and dumb this down for you as much as I can.

 

[eyoungren]

I think you are missing the point and context. sales are sales....they don't mean one platform is better than the other It just means one platform sold more than the other. Just because you paid a lot for something doesn't make it better and vice versa as well.

And you are missing my point, which is that Android only sells more because Apple chooses not to engage in those markets.

Your point that Android sells more does not invalidate my clarification as to why. Or put another way, you can't justfity the quality of Android based solely on the quantity of it's sales when it has no other competitors in certain markets.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

lol....so when you can't win your points with logic and common sense....all some have left are insults.
The people that lack the intelligence to reason with others think that insults will somehow make their point of view have more substance.

lmao just trying to do all I can to help you see where your points are invalid and do not apply to the original discussion. You chose to take on a post in a thread that you clearly misinterpreted and then continued to just rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat every time myself or someone else has tried to help you.

I can only suggest that next time you go calling something out, understand the context first. It will help you save face. Until then, I will always be available if you wish to take this topic offline as this has been beaten to death enough here. As for lacking intelligence and the lecture on insults.......pot, meet kettle

 

[jamezr]

And you are missing my point, which is that Android only sells more because Apple chooses not to engage in those markets.

Your point that Android sells more does not invalidate my clarification as to why. Or put another way, you can't justfity the quality of Android based solely on the quantity of it's sales when it has no other competitors in certain markets.

Oh no I totally agree with you on that point. that Apple doesn't want the lower end of the market sales. Why would they? They are doing pretty dang well in the high end market. Keep in mind I am not saying one platform is better than the other because it sells more.
I am sticking to my point. Sales are sales no matter if they are high end or low end sales. They all get reported the same way.
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lmao just trying to do all I can to help you see where your points are invalid and do not apply to the original discussion. You chose to take on a post in a thread that you clearly misinterpreted and then continued to just rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat every time myself or someone else has tried to help you.

I can only suggest that next time you go calling something out, understand the context first. It will help you save face. Until then, I will always be available if you wish to take this topic offline as this has been beaten to death enough here. As for lacking intelligence and the lecture on insults.......pot, meet kettle

Saving face must has passed you by....you must have missed that one. Too late!
You tried to belittle and insult so that would somehow enhance you position and agenda. It does not.
then when this is pointed out you try to reverse it....... smh. Strawman much?

 

[AZhappyjack]

Oh no I totally agree with you on that point. that Apple doesn't want the lower end of the market sales. Why would they? They are doing pretty dang well in the high end market. Keep in mind I am not saying one platform is better than the other because it sells more.
I am sticking to my point. Sales are sales no matter if they are high end or low end sales. They all get reported the same way.

Neither "sales" nor "market share" unequivocally equate to technological supremacy. There are many reasons that android has more "sales" than iOS, which directly relates to/affect "market share"... but it does not necessarily mean that it is either technologically superior, nor does it necessarily mean that android is more preferred. That is where price point factors in - and for some non-techies, the only factor in choosing one device over another is price. You can argue against that fact all you want, but it doesn't change anything.

 

[Gaprofitt]

Oh no I totally agree with you on that point. that Apple doesn't want the lower end of the market sales. Why would they? They are doing pretty dang well in the high end market. Keep in mind I am not saying one platform is better than the other because it sells more.
I am sticking to my point. Sales are sales no matter if they are high end or low end sales. They all get reported the same way.
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Saving face must has passed you by....you must have missed that one. Too late!
You tried to belittle and insult so that would somehow enhance you position and agenda. It does not.
then when this is pointed out you try to reverse it....... smh. Strawman much?

Of course they do. The 5c failure was an attempt at that.

 

[mrex]

well, android high end phones sell well here in europe for example. so why dont people buy iphone then if they are going to pay the same price anyway? saying that android is doing well because of low end, cheap phones is absolutely wrong. Android is selling well without low end phones too. price doesnt define the phone being low/high end.

and the one point is that you can have a good android phone with much less money than you would pay for iphone. there are high end android phones that are 1/3-1/2 of the price of similar iphone. if the price is low, does it make the phone being low end? no. and of course people are asking from themselves "why would i pay the price is asking for iphone?" a very valid question and most people do a rational choice.

Of course they do. The 5c failure was an attempt at that.

well.. 5c was a failure because apple made it "cheap" but still asking high price.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

Saving face must has passed you by....you must have missed that one. Too late!
You tried to belittle and insult so that would somehow enhance you position and agenda. It does not.
then when this is pointed out you try to reverse it....... smh. Strawman much?

LOL! I didn't belittle you buddy....I was just running out of ways to help you understand all of the points that you missed. Listen, there is nothing more I can do for you. I explained in layman terms my argument, backed it with facts, and even offered to take this to PM as any adult would do. I get it that your feelings are hurt and I'm sorry for that. I really am!

Back to what I originally said, and then tried to explain to you ten more times. To say that iOS is clearly not as good, nor popular, based on sales alone ignores all variants that go into the sales themselves.

It. Is. Not. Rocket. Science.

 

[jamezr]

Neither "sales" nor "market share" unequivocally equate to technological supremacy. There are many reasons that android has more "sales" than iOS, which directly relates to/affect "market share"... but it does not necessarily mean that it is either technologically superior, nor does it necessarily mean that android is more preferred. That is where price point factors in - and for some non-techies, the only factor in choosing one device over another is price. You can argue against that fact all you want, but it doesn't change anything.

it's funny to watch people try to rationalize or read more into things than they are.

First all sales get reported the same way. It doesn't matter if they are high end or low end sales. They all get reported and recorded as a sale. Sales data doesn't mean one is better than the other or one platform is better than the other. It means one sold more than the other. They had more sales.....hence more marketshare.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

well, android high end phones sell well here in europe for example. so why dont people buy iphone then if they are going to pay the same price anyway? saying that android is doing well because of low end, cheap phones is absolutely wrong. Android is selling well without low end phones too. price doesnt define the phone being low/high end.

That is a very good point. And it would be interesting to see how much the gap in sales would close if iOS running iPhones were only compared to Android phones in sales figures. That would be quite telling wouldn't it? But that is not the case. ALL android devices are compared to all iphones and the disparity in offerings and price points is staggering. No one is arguing that android clearly outsells ios devices. But to say the reason is purely preference of android over ios and ignore all other factors? That would be pure ignorance