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Serious question about loyalty.

allupons said:
"How dare anyone find value in something I don't like! Because I don't personally prefer FCP X and the nMP, it is objectively bad for everyone! Nobody will ever use an apple product to create something I deem 'professional' ever again!"

Did that about sum up your thoughts?
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How's the wedding video business?

Look, I'm sorry to be a jerk but FCPX is literally worthless. It has no value. It serves no purpose other than to remove Final Cut from the entertainment industry entirely. Professional means 'used in film &/or television production'. FCPX is not. At all. On anything. It's not that I don't like it, it's that it's completely incapable of getting the job done.
 
ArtMoony said:
I used to eat sleep and drink Apple - but how many times can they kick me in the teeth before I have to say 'no more'? Personally the new Mac Pro is the last straw. No more Apple. No more.
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There are times I feel this way with frustration levels that get me thinking about Ford's comment (paraphrase) you can have any colour you want as long as it is black.

Apple is never forward thinking on their application but do upgrade "catch ups" after they have left many people frustrated. Whether it is Pages or their high end applications, we wait and wait and wait.

Last - Let's face it ... the Mac Pro is DEAD. The new offering is more of a Mac Mini Pro in every way: small, self contained, nearly all additions must be external. While this new offering is powerful, the video wont appeal to many given that Open GL is more used now. So again, we have to WAIT for more Open CL etc. I like the new Mac Mini Pro as it is the natural successor to the Mac Mini which I use daily. Perhaps I'll get one in a year or two if they are still making them or later re-introduce them properly as the "MAC PRO MINI" and make some adjustments so we can have a single GPU card and the other space available to pop in a 2.5 inch drive (SSD as it were).
 
phrehdd said:
There are times I feel this way with frustration levels that get me thinking about Ford's comment (paraphrase) you can have any colour you want as long as it is black.

Last - Let's face it ... the Mac Pro is DEAD. The new offering is more of a Mac Mini Pro in every way: small, self contained, nearly all additions must be external. While this new offering is powerful, the video wont appeal to many given that Open GL is more used now. So again, we have to WAIT for more Open CL etc. I like the new Mac Mini Pro as it is the natural successor to the Mac Mini which I use daily. Perhaps I'll get one in a year or two if they are still making them or later re-introduce them properly as the "MAC PRO MINI" and make some adjustments so we can have a single GPU card and the other space available to pop in a 2.5 inch drive (SSD as it were).
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I pray that Tim Cook will get canned, they'll announce a new modular/expandable version of the old Mac Pro case and update Final Cut 7 to 64bit architecture that'll render via GPU. I suppose that's a fools wish but I recall the halcyon days when Apple blew my mind with innovation rather than numbed it with stupidity. Dare to dream of something useful….

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ArtMoony said:
I don't think you've used Final Cut X.
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Best I recall about Final Cut X was that when it came out, Apple elected to leave some well used portions/features found in Final Cut Pro out. Only later (again the WAIT WAIT AND WAIT GAME) did Apple re-introduce some of those sorely missed/wanted features.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

It is (for me) hard to get any sense of trust/loyalty to Apple when it comes to applications. I think the only ones I use is the mail, iTunes and at times, Safari. Beyond that, I wont buy any Apple applications but only use what comes with OSX. - Sad but true.
 
AidenShaw said:
Don't both GPUs sit idle for most current apps?

OpenCL is a possible future thing, today there's not much use for it -- especially dual GPU OpenCL.

The whole "get those damned 3rd party apps rewritten to use OpenCL" mantra sounds just like the "get those damned 3rd party apps rewritten to use AltiVec" mantra. We all know how successful the earlier chant was.
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That's what I find hilarious about this whole thing.

Apple is being heralded as some sort of grand magical innovator of all things by pushing a machine with a virtually useless GPU (if it supported Crossfire, then it might actually be useful). At the same time, everyone has basically unanimously turned to stare at all the software developers and say "Well, where's the OpenCL acceleration?" as if it's somehow our fault now that we don't support the new Mac Pro.

Well, I got news for everyone- supporting OpenCL is not a trivial task, and for a lot of apps it isn't even financially worth it. 2 years from now we'll still have x86 and the x86/x86_64 ISA will be the same and run the same applications. 2 years from now... Nobody knows where the hell GPU rendering is going to be. OpenCL? CUDA? Something else? Who knows?

All I know right now is that preliminary support for things like OpenCL based rendering engines is horrible. And you can forget about rendering things across the network too, because different GPUs will give you slightly different results, which means your render buckets won't line up when they're put together by your job controller.

It's really too bad, because Apple has an awesome system on their hands... If it was only a bit more flexible. Give us the option for NVIDIA GPUs, or even the option to swap one of the GPUs with a second CPU daughtercard. As it stands now, once again they've just barely missed the mark and produced something a lot of people will find utterly useless.

-SC
 
Apple have a rather patchy track record in the software department. In my opinion their OSs is often second to none, but otherwise they seem to lack a longterm plan and development for much of their software.

Remember in the mid-90´s when I attempted to start out as a small software developer. Got loads of documentation about Quickdraw GX and Opendoc, and the message was clear "this is the future". Apple ditched both rather quickly and for me it stayed with "an attempt".

Apple is seldom in the front introducing new software supporting the technologies they try to push. Opendoc and OpenCL are good examples. When introducing OpenCL with 10.6 I had expected to have at least one piece of main apple software supporting it and showcasing the capabilities, but no.
 
And again people not understanding what Pro means: Pro is not high end, it just means used as a tool to make a living from it.

Guys in Hollywood: just understand that professional Mac usage is a much bigger area then your small niche of high end video work. You are not the pro segment, you are just a tiny part of it.
 
ArtMoony said:
How's the wedding video business?

Look, I'm sorry to be a jerk but FCPX is literally worthless. It has no value. It serves no purpose other than to remove Final Cut from the entertainment industry entirely. Professional means 'used in film &/or television production'. FCPX is not. At all. On anything. It's not that I don't like it, it's that it's completely incapable of getting the job done.
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I couldn't tell you, but it certainly isn't above you to assume pretty much anything you want in order to make yourself feel better. This thread is almost a dedication to it.
 
Will Adobe has just announced that their latest update now support the dual cards in the new MP amongst other things.
FCPX can playback multiple 4K streams, it can even play back endebayered RED 4K files, 1/2 debayered 5K files and the new Epic Dragon files at 6k, 1/4 debayered. This is straight out of the box.

A lot of people with RED cameras are quite thrilled about the new MP (myself included) and ordered MP the moment they were ready to order.

I guess none of these people would be considered professionals?

As for TB, As opposed to FW, Intel is behind this technology so I think it will be around for quite some time
 
AidenShaw said:
You didn't quote anything - to which comment is this question directed?
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Thread title is: Serious question about loyalty. I'm wonder what the question is as the OP seemed more like a rant than a question.

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ArtMoony said:
I pray that Tim Cook will get canned, they'll announce a new modular/expandable version of the old Mac Pro case and update Final Cut 7 to 64bit architecture that'll render via GPU. I suppose that's a fools wish but I recall the halcyon days when Apple blew my mind with innovation rather than numbed it with stupidity. Dare to dream of something useful….
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You do realize that the nMP (or at least the idea of it) was probably something in the pipeline while Steve Jobs was still alive? Not sure why you're blaming it on Tim Cook.
 
Rogifan said:
Thread title is: Serious question about loyalty. I'm wonder what the question is as the OP seemed more like a rant than a question.

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You do realize that the nMP (or at least the idea of it) was probably something in the pipeline while Steve Jobs was still alive? Not sure why you're blaming it on Tim Cook.
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It's another rant topic that is basically a copy of the why are you not buying the new mini pro with the exact same characters copying and pasting their responses.
 
I've yet to have had a FCPX project handed to me. I don't even know if it's possible to do so. Many people have moved to Premiere. For RED, that's where I'm going. For 1080p and under, FCP7 will serve me just fine for years to come.
 
I cant judge FCPX, because I'm still on oMP, SnowLeopard, Logic Pro 9 and FCP, but I tried Logic Pro X on a different install and it was terrible. In this i can understand the rant of TS about the software side of things.
 
MH01 said:
If anyone believes apple plans to stay in the pro business, I think they are delusional.

As you have pointed out, apple is shifting to prosumer, its not going to go back to pro. Not long before hey are just consumer focused.

The money is in the IToys. It's a very good business move. They have bugger all profit to make from the pro machines, I'm surprised they even launched the new Mac Pro .
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It was Steve's intent to appeal to consumers.

AidenShaw said:
I don't see why all of us missed the fact that the new Mini Pro is perfect for developing IOS apps out-of-the-box.

You don't need thousands of dollars of T-Bolt expansion and a rat's nest of cables on your desk.

If you're not an "IOS pro", however, your mileage may vary.

</sarcasm>
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Your not happy with the new MP?
 
Dranix said:
What is terrible at Logic Pro X? It generally is seen as much improved...
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Well, I'm afraid that is a misunderstanding on your side then. The software is so bad, unripe for serious production work and for me as color blind unbearable to read stuff on screen. I even went so far to ask Apple my money back (and they rewarded it). And I am general happy Apple user since '93, so I feel for TS.
 
A Professional reply

I made a living as a photographer for 20 years and for the last 15 years in film and video so I consider myself a professional.
I just completed my second full length documentary in FCPX without one single problem. This is my fourteenth feature film release, five cut in Premier and seven cut in FCP.

I buy equipment continuously. Cameras, lenses, storage media and on and on. The same with my Macs... we use retina MBP's on location and in the studio and now, the new Mac Pro when it arrives. I also use TB displays and now a new 4K monitor and a 4K TV.

I make a living doing this so I get the best tools available for myself and my staff. I never think about why or if? I don't care about PC v. Mac and never did. It's a nonsense argument because the tools so far have earned me a very good living.
 
yoak said:
Will Adobe has just announced that their latest update now support the dual cards in the new MP amongst other things.
FCPX can playback multiple 4K streams, it can even play back endebayered RED 4K files, 1/2 debayered 5K files and the new Epic Dragon files at 6k, 1/4 debayered. This is straight out of the box.

A lot of people with RED cameras are quite thrilled about the new MP (myself included) and ordered MP the moment they were ready to order.

I guess none of these people would be considered professionals?

As for TB, As opposed to FW, Intel is behind this technology so I think it will be around for quite some time
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I seriously doubt the RED community is going to embrace the nMP. As an Epic owner I have no use for the nMP. Sure it may be able to handle 4K but it can't handle my storage needs internally and the TB bottleneck for RAW files is going to be a killer. The Mac Pro I'm using now with a RedRocket holds 16TB easily with the disc drive removed and renders all the 4K I could ever want. Plus - why on earth would I want a computer without CUDA support?
 
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