Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Yes, with dual GPUs and six Thunderbolt ports, the Mac Pro is definitely aimed at iOS development, which can make use of none of those things. Bwahahahaha.

The iOS development tools use the CPU for OpenGL when you're working on the local machine, but I digress...

Just install Red Rocket in 5.1 and you can do more than on new Mac Pro mini with RED cameras

You can install the Red Rocket on a nMP too. And an iMac. And a Macbook Pro. And a Mac Mini
http://www.mlogic.com/products/mlink-r

mLink R is by far the most compact Thunderbolt enclosure for the RED ROCKET. And, mLink R features two BNC cutouts on the back panel to mount the ROCKET BNC connectors. Mobile REDCINE X workflows have never been easier!
 
It seems to boil down to this; the guys editing skateboard videos can't imagine why anyone would need a fibrechannel card, CUDA, expandability, a rack mountable computer, a REDRocket, backwards compatibility or any other specialized equipment, therefore anyone upset about the new hurdles placed in their way are worthy of ridicule. The high end professionals that have had the rug pulled out from underneath them by Apple are deservedly upset but having trouble being heard over the sea of wedding videographers that think the world revolves around them and just because they don't use it, no one else needs it and are elitist *******s for trying to explain that they are not the alpha. Also, your join date here seems to have some great bearing on whether or not your point is valid.

The question of loyalty - the fact that Apple claims they have to win the professionals back says everything. They were not loyal to us. They let us down. At this point with the nMP it's blatantly clear they don't want us back. There's the answer. So be it.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I have to say from my perspective as a Hollywood Post Person (patent pending) everyone in our studio is VERY excited about the New Mac Pro.

We're all Avid based and even though media composer is a bit behind with this new technology, it is still a great sign of things to come in portability and use both on and off location.

We're stoked to use them with our Reds and with our VFX crews.

I've also had talks with some at Apple that realize that they've lost the pro market the past few years and they are making a push to try and reclaim them back. They know that they have to 'earn' this and it will be an uphill battle.

Obviously others may think what they may but we'll run our television shows (all NON reality) and features through these machines and hope for the best.

To each their own but that's my take on things.

But.. but.. the "experts" said you must not be a professional then!.. O.O :D
 
It seems to boil down to this; the guys editing skateboard videos can't imagine why anyone would need a fibrechannel card, CUDA, expandability, a rack mountable computer, a REDRocket, backwards compatibility or any other specialized equipment, therefore anyone upset about the new hurdles placed in their way are worthy of ridicule.

what's that supposed to mean? (rhetorical- i've been a skateboarder for 27 years.. i know what it means)

who do you think co-owns girl & chocolate?



spike jonze.. what computers and software do you think he uses? (hint- the answer is a punchline to your post)
 
Yes, with dual GPUs and six Thunderbolt ports, the Mac Pro is definitely aimed at iOS development, which can make use of none of those things. Bwahahahaha.

The iOS development tools use the CPU for OpenGL when you're working on the local machine, but I digress...



You can install the Red Rocket on a nMP too. And an iMac. And a Macbook Pro. And a Mac Mini
http://www.mlogic.com/products/mlink-r
Cool
Another extra box that you have to buy and leave on your desk
 
Oh Matt.. Don't you realise by having little boxes on desks you can use them on multiple edit stations where you need? No need to double spend on hardware if you can easily move your equipment from one project to another easily.

Ok so for your application it's not ideal since having a clean desktop on your only edit suite is important, but for a small studio with a few editing suites, these kinds of external boxes make perfect sense. Flexibility!
 
Just install Red Rocket in 5.1 and you can do more than on new Mac Pro mini with RED cameras

http://www.red.com/products/red-rocket
"Optimized for the 6K RED DRAGON® sensor, this product is designed to accelerate the process of your R3D workflow, regardless of resolution. Using Dual DisplayPort + Dual HD-SDI 1.5G/3G for video output, RED ROCKET-X provides real time 4K playback directly to your 4K display or projector.

Compared to the previous RED ROCKET, RED ROCKET-X processes and transcodes files up to 5x faster. The RED ROCKET-X supports Stereo 3D video output. A redesigned chassis works to protect the card, which uses a Full-length PCIe x16 requiring external 6-pin (75W) PCIe power for installation in your Mac or PC. The new RED ROCKET-X no longer requires or supports the Breakout Box."
Wonder if you could install that in nMP Mini :)

As others have mentioned you can use the REDROCKET card in external boxes and swap them between your computers.
The new REDROCKET-X is five times faster than the original (costs $6500), but TB2 is not fast enough to use it at its full potential, but you can still have a great benefit from it on a new Mac Pro.
However, if you need a REDROCKET-X you are better off using it with a PC.

I'm aware of all this, I edit on a beast of a PC, I do however prefer to be in a OSX environment, no doubt about it. FCX has come a long way with its latest release, and I think it's very wise to stay on top of that as well.

I have a REDROCKET-X on order, but. Not sure if I will get it.

I'm a Director of Photography, not an editor, ill admit as much. I do however edit and CC quite a bit (even spent 6 months as one of the editors on a documentary series I shot)

Price of the new Mac Pro is my biggest worry, as I rather spend my money on Camera gear than computers.
 
We really should not expect loyalty from multi-billion dollar corporations. Apple, Google, Microsoft, Intel...it does not matter. They feign loyalty to their customers when it feeds their profits otherwise they don't give a damn. Rant if you must, it is therapeutic to get that frustration off your chest, but at the end of the day its all boils down to if the company's products meets your needs or not. I suggest its best that you don't take it personally because it is just business.
 
Welcome to Fantasy Island

Hey, I saw these exact mega-monolith MPs at Costco. They were located next to the all-in-one plasma/dvd/blue-ray/vhs/mp3/surround sound systems.


I pray that Tim Cook will get canned, they'll announce a new modular/expandable version of the old Mac Pro case and update Final Cut 7 to 64bit architecture that'll render via GPU. I suppose that's a fools wish but I recall the halcyon days when Apple blew my mind with innovation rather than numbed it with stupidity. Dare to dream of something useful….

Image
 
I will take this section.
1. Shake was a great compositing app by Nothing's Real located in Santa Monica CA.
2. Apple bought them and discounted the 10k app to $499.99. A great price to sell units but there were two problems (a) competing with The Foundry (Nuke) and (b) approaching "Shake" like one of their iToys. It was a 2D app vs. a 3D app!
3. While the Nothing's Real team were thinking "with our know how and Apple's $, nothing can stop us"! Well, Apple got in the way! At the time there were several "Shake" forums. Apple mentioned Shake would be rewritten and named Phenomenon. There was a serious buzz for months. Then they mention when rewritten it would be based on their app "Motion"! So this meant no longer "node" based! The forums laughed, the brains from Nothing's Real left and went to The Foundry! "Phenomenon" never came out!
4. There was a post on VFXtalk.com "3D in Shake, King Kong, LOTR (Lord Of The Rings) and other considerations". There were several people speculating on 2D v 2.5D v 3D and what was Shake. A few were very emphatic. Then this guy name Taffy chimed in. He spoke using language like "on King Kong we" and while "we did not" etc. So he was speaking first hand and mentioned they developed their own 3D tools and did not use the multiplane node.
5. While others looked to Nuke for answers, Taffy, WETA and others developed their own 3D tools. Something the Nothing's Real people would have done before Apple blew it!
kind of OT, but this thread is a trainwreck, so who cares?

anyway, yeah, this is pretty much spot on for the demise of shake. I was working at ILM when apple bought shake- they used shake all OVER the place at ILM then- it was in virtually every show they did at that point. But then nothing came out from apple for awhile. Then some people started using Nuke. Then everyone at ILM switched to nuke, and I never saw shake again. the end.
 
If you are trying to get sympathy here you will find NONE if you start dissing others who use the Mac for their projects, whatever they may be.

The Charge: ARROGANCE!!

-It seems to boil down to this; the guys editing skateboard videos..
-having trouble being heard over the sea of wedding videographers..
-the world revolves around them..
-They let us down.

The Verdict: GUILTY!

If the nMP is not for you just move on. But don't come on here and try to tell other people who are making money off their rigs that they are NOT professional. You just come off as pompous and "high and mighty".
 
That is a mass oversimplification. Professional what?

In many professions the lack of secure internal storage space is a deal breaker.

I cannot imagine any profession where this is a deal breaker. For some prosumers,yes.
 
Dear MattDSLR.. please spare us the noise, and go buy your PC...

----------

It's amazing the number of folks here who can't understand that pros are anyone who make their living off their computers, and that these systems are designed for a new baseline of users, and the fact that Apple is trying to set a new paradigm of workstation setup.

Will it work? That's worthy of debate, but the "I'm pro and you aren't" is so lame.
 
...don't come on here and try to tell other people who are making money off their rigs that they are NOT professional.

Word to the first.

----------

It's amazing the number of folks here who can't understand that pros are anyone who make their living off their computers...the "I'm pro and you aren't" is so lame.

And word to the second. Refreshing to see some users who "get it." :cool:
 
Yeah I always wonder why the guys from Hollywood look so down at other computer using professions...

I agree completely. Why do some of the so-called "professionals" that post here believe, by their seemingly derogatory comments about other computer using professionals, that others are pretty much not worthy enough to buy the nMP? Why should these individuals ("professionals") care if others want to use this machine for what they do for a living? Even if you want this machine as a consumer (or "prosumer)" why does it matter to these "professionals" enough to have to criticize and demean others? I don't understand.
 
I agree completely. Why do some of the so-called "professionals" that post here believe, by their seemingly derogatory comments about other computer using professionals, that others are pretty much not worthy enough to buy the nMP? Why should these individuals ("professionals") care if others want to use this machine for what they do for a living? Even if you want this machine as a consumer (or "prosumer)" why does it matter to these "professionals" enough to have to criticize and demean others? I don't understand.

Perhaps because the system is possibly designed more for us and less for them? :D
 
That's worthy of debate, but the "I'm pro and you aren't" is so lame.

i think that usually translates to "i'm not pro but i'm speaking on behalf of pros even though i don't know how they actually work or what sort of improvements they'd benefit from"

notice that nobody who spouts off that kind of stuff links to their work.. i usually hang out at software forums because A) there's more opportunity for me to learn new techniques as well as directly interact with the developers with improvement ideas and B) there's more of an underlaying 'put up or shut up' that happens with the whiners.. very rarely will you see a whiner who is also producing great content.
 
I want to preface this post that I say the following with all due respect to the various forms of 'pro' users out there. This is purely my opinion, but I am trying to look at this situation realistically.

I see a lot of fear of change in many people. Times change. Floppies have gone. CD drives have gone. They were jarring changes that many of us found hard to adjust to. But we have.

I can appreciate that many of you have worked a particular way with a particular system for a long time. And I appreciate that perhaps with the nMP, your workflow and setup may need to be different. But is it worse? Really, is it worse? If your main argument is that you can no longer stuff everything INSIDE your Mac Pro, then that's fine. Sure it's nice to have everything in the one box - but it makes little difference for those who rarely move their Mac Pro which is stuffed under their desk.

With the nMP, you can now totally replace and reorganise your entire storage, peripheral and add-on cards without having to get inside your Mac Pro.

It's just different. Not worse. And in many ways, better.

I run a boutique design studio. So I design things and code things. I am also a DJ by night, and I also produce music. So I use my Mac Pro for design, coding, virtualisation of various flavours of Windows, running Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Espresso, Logic Pro X, Ableton LIVE, Various Soft Synths, Final Cut Pro X, some 3D environment design/rendering and a whole swag of other things.

I like to think I use the Mac Pro for a pretty wide variety of 'pro' level tasks, except perhaps scientific ones. The new Mac Pro suits me to a tee. We run a server Mac Mini with 24TB of DAS for storage of the large amounts of media and projects. I just need a workstation with 500 - 1000GB of storage for current projects and my personal music and photos libraries. I'll still be running my Apogee external audio interface. So there's no difference there. And I'll still be running my external Time Machine backup.

For me personally, the new Mac Pro is a fantastic pro machine, that simplifies things, reduces footprint, frees up space under my desk and gives me more power.

Being a 'pro' doesn't mean things have to be 'complex'. If Apple can simplify things, even if it appears to be 'pro-sumer' in appearance. It doesn't matter. Simplification is good if it isn't at the expense of the end result possible with the software/hardware. I honestly do feel for those who were left with missing features when FCPX first came out. That did suck. But Apple has shown that they are committed to the pros by following up with updates. Not only this, they have completely redesigned the concept of a 'tower' computer. There's been a tonne of R&D and time spent in developing this nMP, and my hat goes off to Apple for committing to it, when they simply could have left the Mac Pro to die completely.

So it's nice to see that Apple has remained loyal to pros AND prosumers. Ultimately, if Apple can bring the power of Pro software and hardware to the consumer and prosumer, then the world is a better place. Power, speed, and features shouldn't be just for the few, but for as many people as possible. I'm grateful that Apple finds ways to simplify things so that more people can use and experience software and hardware that was formerly for the 'pro' users only.

Change is hard. But one of the greatest skills we have is the ability to adapt and change.

Scottie
 
I cannot imagine any profession where this is a deal breaker. For some prosumers,yes.

Professional use = external storage (the more "professional" you go, the bigger/faster it gets), external backups, external version control.

I'm actually interested in what example you have. Internal storage is only as secure as the room you have it located in.

I guess none of you have ever worked in the banking or government industries or another high security level position and needed local workstation level processing and storage. Where plugging in any external device would get you walked out immediately.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.