Seriously starting to become a joke, where are the M1 Mac iOS, iPadOS apps.

[dmccloud]

Something that I was thinking of yesterday when I was wondering why the only streaming service with an app was that awful HBO Max one: The iOS user base is HUGE. The Mac user base is a fraction of a fraction of that, and the number of people on the new M1s are a fraction of that.

There really isn't a huge incentive at this point for a company to devote dev resources to it, even if it is "simpler that ever before".

Once you build that app you have to have a team to support it and you have to test against new versions of MacOS and there are costs incurred with that, and as of right now, I am guessing that a lot of companies don't feel a lot of urgency there.

Maybe that occurs later as the Mac silicon user base increases. Or maybe it never happens because Netflix doesn't see the benefit to create and support a new app for the very comparatively small Mac user base.

It's actually the same type of reasoning hackers use. If you only have a finite set of time and resources to complete a project, you are going to focus on the project that has the biggest potential for gains. Since Windows/Android/iOS all have significantly larger install bases than the Mac, developers are going to focus on those groups, especially if the app provides a revenue stream for the developers. Likewise, the overall userbases for those other OSes are more likely to game (even if it's just playing Solitaire or Candy Crush) than the typical Mac OS user, although that may change over time as the M1 gains ground in the marketplace.

 

[Tagbert]

Also, apps that utilize the extra layer of security that iOS provides (banking, medical etc.) might not be ported to macOS.

So, we should just use a browser for those services? ?

 

[ArPe]

I Just Want

The Health app on macOS so I can see the Watch health features on a big screen.

I want Netflix/Prime/Disney apps so I can download the movies to watch offline on my Mac. I like to turn off the internet router when I want to focus on a movie.

 

[Maconplasma]

But considering Rosetta 1’s life cycle lasted what, close to 10 years? I’m pretty confident Rosetta 2 will be with us for some time.

Different time period. Back then Apple was trying to get more people to buy Macs. There was no iPhone, iPad or Apple Watch, so back then so there was essentially no ecosystem. Today Apple's Mac business is very stable and it's common for people to buy Macs, especially with the ecosystem as opposed to during the transition from PPC to Intel where they needed to extend Rosetta out for much longer.
Also it's foolish for any developer to be so lazy as to not bother to make their applications M1 native. They are running a business to make money and if they want to remain stagnate then customers have choices for other software. I would never give a lazy develop one damn dime if they don't care about me as consumer by updating their softwares.

 

[alien3dx]

I Just Want

The Health app on macOS so I can see the Watch health features on a big screen.

I want Netflix/Prime/Disney apps so I can download/watch the movies to watch offline on my Mac. I like to turn off the internet router when I want to focus on a movie.

netflix you can download offline.sometimes on travel is good.

 

[CarlosDanger]

Don’t think anyone should be telling me if I need a laptop or not. ?

...just like I don't think you should be telling any app developers what to do...

 

[senttoschool]

Also it's foolish for any developer to be so lazy as to not bother to make their applications M1 native. They are running a business to make money and if they want to remain stagnate then customers have choices for other software. I would never give a lazy develop one damn dime if they don't care about me as consumer by updating their softwares.

Yea, they're running a business and they make a business decision on whether or not to port apps over to MacOS. Not hard to understand.

 

[Dean_UK]

The level of entitlement from the OP is astounding, but not surprising which is a sad reflection of society.

I want, I want, I want, me, me, me, now, now, now.

 

[theSeb]

But considering Rosetta 1’s life cycle lasted what, close to 10 years? I’m pretty confident Rosetta 2 will be with us for some time.

"Apple released the first version of Rosetta in 2006 when it began switching the Macintosh line from the PowerPC to the Intel processor. It was initially included with Mac OS X v10.4.4 "Tiger", "

Rosetta is not installed by default in Mac OS X v10.6 "Snow Leopard", but is available as an installable option.[5] Rosetta is neither included nor supported in Mac OS X v10.7 "Lion" or later, which therefore cannot run PowerPC applications.[5]


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Lion came out in 2011, so 5 years.

 

[theSeb]

Different time period. Back then Apple was trying to get more people to buy Macs. There was no iPhone, iPad or Apple Watch, so back then so there was essentially no ecosystem. Today Apple's Mac business is very stable and it's common for people to buy Macs, especially with the ecosystem as opposed to during the transition from PPC to Intel where they needed to extend Rosetta out for much longer.
Also it's foolish for any developer to be so lazy as to not bother to make their applications M1 native. They are running a business to make money and if they want to remain stagnate then customers have choices for other software. I would never give a lazy develop one damn dime if they don't care about me as consumer by updating their softwares.

You cannot just flick a switch, release on the Mac App store and watch your iOS apps bring in the big cash. Well, you can, but it's unlikely those apps will do very well. What's most likely is that the app will be downvoted because the UI, which makes sense on portable devices with a touch screen, makes little sense on computer with a keyboard and mouse. This is the reason why so many developers have opted to not be included in the Mac app store. There are a large number of apps that absolutely make no sense on a Mac anyway, like those apps that are designed around some mobile activity outside the home, such as exercise apps. Rewriting the app's UI so that it makes sense on a computer and can compete with existing applications costs money. Supporting applications on another platform costs money, unless your company uses the release and forget method of dealing with ongoing support.

Those are business decisions. There are far more people with iDevices than there are people with M1 Macs. Suggesting that developers do not release iOS apps on the Mac store because they are lazy or short-sighted to the obvious (to you) business benefits is incredibly insulting to software companies and indie developers.

 

[thenewperson]

But considering Rosetta 1’s life cycle lasted what, close to 10 years? I’m pretty confident Rosetta 2 will be with us for some time.

It was 5 years. Maybe Rosetta 2 lasts longer, but I don't think devs have much of a reason to feel secure.

 

[Maconplasma]

Yea, they're running a business and they make a business decision on whether or not to port apps over to MacOS. Not hard to understand.

Excellent attitude! By all means go ahead and defend developers if they decide not to make Mac M1 native apps. If you're a Mac user it becomes YOUR problem. That shouldn't be too hard for you to understand right? ?

 

[alien3dx]

Excellent attitude! By all means go ahead and defend developers if they decide not to make Mac M1 native apps. If you're a Mac user it becomes YOUR problem. That shouldn't be too hard for you to understand right? ?

As developer web, apps i don't have obligation to the apple . My obligation is to the customer. M1 just a tool for doing my job. Yeah apple need to do something to promote developer but still .. . the cost are to high and risky.

 

[Toutou]

Excellent attitude! By all means go ahead and defend developers if they decide not to make Mac M1 native apps. If you're a Mac user it becomes YOUR problem. That shouldn't be too hard for you to understand right? ?

I believe that @senttoschool missed the fact that you were talking about M1 native apps (as opposed to Mac x86 apps), instead of iOS/Mac ports this thread was originally about.

Building Mac apps as Universal (and later AS only) binaries is something that basically all devs will have to do sooner or later, because of the inevitable EOL of Rosetta 2 and Intel Macs.

Porting iOS apps directly to the Mac is definitely not and customers shouldn't count on it to happen.

 

[senttoschool]

Excellent attitude! By all means go ahead and defend developers if they decide not to make Mac M1 native apps. If you're a Mac user it becomes YOUR problem. That shouldn't be too hard for you to understand right? ?

But you just said developers are in the business of making money. If they're not porting iOS/iPadOS apps to MacOS, then they're making a business decision.

You happen to think that they're lazy, which is honestly, a little laughable.

I believe that @senttoschool missed the fact that you were talking about M1 native apps (as opposed to Mac x86 apps), instead of iOS/Mac ports this thread was originally about.

Even porting x86 apps to native ARM64 binaries is a business decision. And how fast should they port it over? That's also a business decision.

 

[gank41]

All of these responses from people seemingly upset because developers haven’t “flipped a switch” or “checked a box” or however Apple framed it initially have no idea the difficulties of a lack of documentation on making that happen. Apple says “you can do this!” And tells the world all their favorite apps will be available. BUT, what they don’t see is the developers taking their perfectly working code and “checking a box” and ... what’s this?!? It DOESN’T work. And then add in the void of documentation, and you get a lack of iOS/iPadOS on the App Store. That’s how simple it is. I’ve read some developers stories where someone finally got the answer they needed for a problem from someone else on Twitter, and only because THAT person happened to talk to someone different at Apple’s support who HAD encountered that problem.

This is all new hardware, people are still learning new things every day. Once the real pro M1 machines come out and more and more people start buying them, there’ll be more iPad apps that work well on macOS.

 

[Euroamerican]

Run powerful apps built for M1. All your existing apps work thanks to Rosetta 2. And for the first time, you can use your favorite iPhone and iPad apps directly on macOS Big Sur. Altogether you’ll have access to the biggest collection of apps ever for Mac.

The paragraph above is a direct quote from Apple's spiel about the M1. The red highlight is my own.

I certainly would like some of my favorite iPhone and iPad apps to run on MacOS Big Sur......

I do hope they and their developers get around to accomplishing this in a reasonable amount of time.

 

[dmccloud]

It was 5 years. Maybe Rosetta 2 lasts longer, but I don't think devs have much of a reason to feel secure.

Given a 2-year transition for the entire Mac lineup, Rosetta 2 probably has a 5-year shelf life at minimum. Since the bulk of the Mac userbase will still be on Intel for some time to come, many developers will hold off on recoding their apps until a larger installed base is present. Since Rosetta 2 handles x86 apps so well, it actually gives developers a cushion of sorts to aid in the transition from x86 to ARM code.

 

[phoenix-mac-user]

Run powerful apps built for M1. All your existing apps work thanks to Rosetta 2. And for the first time, you can use your favorite iPhone and iPad apps directly on macOS Big Sur. Altogether you’ll have access to the biggest collection of apps ever for Mac.

The paragraph above is a direct quote from Apple's spiel about the M1. The red highlight is my own.

I certainly would like some of my favorite iPhone and iPad apps to run on MacOS Big Sur......

I do hope they and their developers get around to accomplishing this in a reasonable amount of time.

Is this the first time Apple ever overhyped something during the unveiling of one of their new products at an Apple Event?

...I asked my HomePod that Tim Cook said was clearly superior to all the other smart speakers.

 

[Maconplasma]

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[Maconplasma]

Those are business decisions. There are far more people with iDevices than there are people with M1 Macs. Suggesting that developers do not release iOS apps on the Mac store because they are lazy or short-sighted to the obvious (to you) business benefits is incredibly insulting to software companies and indie developers.

Incredibly insulting to who, you? When I'm paying money for applications and developers want to sit on their ass (Much from the music production apps for plugins still in 32bit) I damn well will call them lazy. Who are you to tell me what I can't say? Calm down.?

 

[Maconplasma]

But you just said developers are in the business of making money. If they're not porting iOS/iPadOS apps to MacOS, then they're making a business decision.

You happen to think that they're lazy, which is honestly, a little laughable.


Even porting x86 apps to native ARM64 binaries is a business decision. And how fast should they port it over? That's also a business decision.

Well let's hope for many people here who need Windows on their Mac that Apple doesn't make a "Business Decision" and decide not to allow Windows to be installed, even thru VM.

 

[gank41]

Well let's hope for many people here who need Windows on their Mac that Apple doesn't make a "Business Decision" and decide not to allow Windows to be installed, even thru VM.

Umm yeeeaaahhh... the only “business decision” that needs to be made is by Microsoft selling licenses for Windows 10 on ARM. Although my regular Win10 license worked on my Parallels install of Win10 on ARM. I think it’s been said already here, and in multiple other posts, Apple has made it clear that that’s not up to them at this point.

 

[Euroamerican]

Is this the first time Apple ever overhyped something during the unveiling of one of their new products at an Apple Event?

...I asked my HomePod that Tim Cook said was clearly superior to all the other smart speakers.

In a reasonable time, mind you. I think it would be good optics for them to have a few tasty M1 ready iOS apps "soon".

I won't hold them to any fit-for-purpose warranty or expect a specific title to be ready on a specific date.

 

[Maconplasma]

Umm yeeeaaahhh... the only “business decision” that needs to be made is by Microsoft selling licenses for Windows 10 on ARM. Although my regular Win10 license worked on my Parallels install of Win10 on ARM. I think it’s been said already here, and in multiple other posts, Apple has made it clear that that’s not up to them at this point.

Yes for VM's but not for Bootcamp. But the same goes for Microsoft. So far all I've seen from Microsoft are Apple trashing TV ads in order to sell people off Macs and on to Surface Pros. That coupled with the fact that they still haven't licensed WoA to run on M1 VM's is a very good chance they are making a "Business Decision" not to support Macs, and they have every right to make such a decision and it's understandable.