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zkap

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How would the ”ecosystem” work, when you turn off everything syncing via icloud? It doesnt work at all, so whats the point having ”ecosystem”?

it wouldn't, there is no point. Apple forcing things on me will ironically free me. I'm canceling services, turning things off and reducing my iDevice usage. The "ecosystem," for me at least, is a feature and a joy only so long as I have enthusiasm for Apple products.
I don't have that anymore, at all.

To quote a couple phrases I use at work very frequently:

Not my problem

Above my pay grade

You must be a fantastic worker, your employer is lucky.
 

Romain_H

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Sep 20, 2021
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How is that even possible? I was under the impression that CSAM has been postponed and isn‘t active yet?
 
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Vlad Soare

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Mar 23, 2019
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The article is from August. iOS 15 wasn't even live at the time. This wasn't the CSAM scan; they must have caught him by some other means.

I don't get how merely having pictures stored in your phone makes you a predator, though. He didn't actually harm any children by just looking at some photos, did he? Unless the photos were of himself accompanied by said children, of course. I suspect there's more to the story than meets the eye.
 
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Bandaman

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I don't get how merely having pictures stored in your phone makes you a predator, though. He didn't actually harm any children by just looking at some photos, did he? Unless the photos were of himself accompanied by said children, of course. I suspect there's more to the story than meets the eye.
I sincerely hope you’re not serious.
 
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Vlad Soare

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I am dead serious.
It would be illegal, say, to break into our parliament building armed with machine guns and to shoot everybody. But if that happened, and I happened to have a video of the event in my mobile phone which I watched in delight over and over again, that wouldn't make me a murderer. It may be illegal to kill politicians, but it isn't illegal to be glad when it happens.
If you send me a photo of a child, the fact that I decide to keep it, instead of deleting it immediately, doesn't make me a predator. And for that matter it doesn't make you a predator either, unless you're the one who took it, or you somehow contributed to its creation. By the time that photo reaches my phone the harm is already done. I'm all for hunting down the lowlifes the photo originates from, of course, but putting me in jail won't help the children.
 
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dk001

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Oct 3, 2014
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I am dead serious.
It would be illegal, say, to break into our parliament building armed with machine guns and to shoot everybody. But if that happened, and I happened to have a video of the event in my mobile phone which I watched in delight over and over again, that wouldn't make me a murderer. It may be illegal to kill politicians, but it isn't illegal to be glad when it happens.
If you send me a photo of a child, the fact that I decide to keep it, instead of deleting it immediately, doesn't make me a predator. And for that matter it doesn't make you a predator either, unless you're the one who took it, or you somehow contributed to its creation. By the time that photo reaches my phone the harm is already done. I'm all for hunting down the lowlifes the photo originates from, of course, but putting me in jail won't help the children.

Here in the US and most other countries (118 of 195?) the mere fact of having any CSAM picture at all is a felony.
Un less you have Government authorization.
 

crymimefireworks

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Dec 19, 2014
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The article is bu11$hit. The story cannot have anything to do with Apple's CSAM scan, which wasn't live at the time.

Correct, Apple has maintained that they have checked iCloud photos for CSAM for years. This article appears to reference that older program.

This is not on-device CSAM scanning, which has not yet been deployed.
 

MBAir2010

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May 30, 2018
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there is talk about the new internet infrastructure on the good ol USA
and they need the technologists big time in no time.
will Apple still be around then?
or are they the technologists?
this child in question face recognition law might be part of that infiltration
hmmmmm
 

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macrumors 6502a
Sep 12, 2015
760
319
Wales
Correct, Apple has maintained that they have checked iCloud photos for CSAM for years. This article appears to reference that older program.

This is not on-device CSAM scanning, which has not yet been deployed.
Quick shufty on the net and it indicates that he was highlighted by the app operators highlighting it against another OS makers database and referred to the Candian police who beamed it south of the border. Not Apple. The US law then went in with subpoenas and nabbed his iCloud account. As far as I see, Apple played no part in this, even from the iCloud account until it was seized. Yet to be heard in court so still ongoing?

Or have I missed something.
 

DeepIn2U

macrumors G5
May 30, 2002
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For what it's worth I'm as "deep" in on Apple hardware as you (plus an iPad Pro and 4 homepod minis 😭). Selling my Apple-driven IT-setup isn't financially sound or viable, as it's 100% needed for my job activities.

I agree with the general view point that privacy is no longer a differentiator for Apple only price, features and quality. That's without evaluating if the CSAM and iMessage child protection features are a benefit to me or not.

For now I'm staying on IOS 14 and Big Sur and will rely on Apple continuing their commitment to security patches for the next 4-5 years.

When my current Apple hardware fails, doesn't fit my needs, or gets sun-setted for security patches I'll evaluate Apple vs the competition on price x features x quality alone for any new purchases.

Wait a moment. Privacy is no longer a differentiating feature for Apple because of a “proposed feature” that was halted vs the competition just enabling auto sync to servers by default and for over a decade did the scanning in cloud without saying a PEEP to customers is now considered equal to Apple?! Huh?
 

crymimefireworks

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Dec 19, 2014
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Wait a moment. Privacy is no longer a differentiating feature for Apple because of a “proposed feature” that was halted vs the competition just enabling auto sync to servers by default and for over a decade did the scanning in cloud without saying a PEEP to customers is now considered equal to Apple?! Huh?

The competition also didn't put up billboards that say "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone apple.com/privacy"
 

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dk001

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Wait a moment. Privacy is no longer a differentiating feature for Apple because of a “proposed feature” that was halted vs the competition just enabling auto sync to servers by default and for over a decade did the scanning in cloud without saying a PEEP to customers is now considered equal to Apple?! Huh?

You really need to review just what other cloud services actually do vs what Apple does today.
Actually do, not proposed.
 
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