It doesn't even take a "safety" argument. A lot of people are willing to trade privacy for a glittery, popular, must-have app.
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Should I leave apple ecosystem in light of CSAM?
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It doesn't even take a "safety" argument. A lot of people are willing to trade privacy for a glittery, popular, must-have app.
Well, America is not a democracy anyway. It is a Constitutional Republic. We try to avoid Tyranny of the Majority here.
Say what?
What the Government is not currently doing is scanning your personal device(s) bypassing device encryption and reporting on it all without your knowledge or specifics or consent.
They do enough. Actually they do too much. As these things are found out we need to push back and set firm limits.
Sad part is they don’t care as they don’t know or understand just what this means.
This is it like television or movies. The current media and education system isn’t helping either.
Those of you who think the CSAM system will be effective enough to justify its invasiveness might want to read: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...esearchers-in-new-study.2317024/post-30610726
If Apple implements this feature you can count on it happening. This I am basing on the inquiries we know about and likely others we don’t.
I disagree, and even if they did I don’t believe we’re going to get to a situation where the thought police come around and snatch people from their homes for supporting a political party. If that were to happen society has much bigger problems than CSAM.
There is a serious reason why client side has never been executed before and every single security and privacy group (including some Nation States) expressed serious concerns against this. Never mind this is new legal territory also.
Believe what you want.
It’s amazing how many sheep think Apple still stands for privacy.
It’s even more amazing how many brain dead sheep can’t see past now. If you build something that can scan images for content of any specific type, it will be used to scan for other “non-desirable content” such as political post against increasingly tyrannical governments (Australia, Austria, anyone?).
Anyone who thinks any government does the right thing is blind, anyone who thinks Democracy always leads to the best results hasn’t studied history.
It’s even more amazing how many brain dead sheep can’t see past now. If you build something that can scan images for content of any specific type, it will be used to scan for other “non-desirable content” such as political post against increasingly tyrannical governments (Australia, Austria, anyone?).
Anyone who thinks any government does the right thing is blind, anyone who thinks Democracy always leads to the best results hasn’t studied history.
No. But Apple can be forced to work for the government.
Once they implement a backdoor, they will be forced to hand over the key to it whenever the government feels like it.
This. Apple will remain compliant with the law. They cannot comply with the law if they do not possess the technical ability to do so.
So…they will continue to provide any legally requested data from iCloud…like they always have since iCloud existed…nothing changes…got it!
Of course, obtaining a warrant from a judge in a specific case, based on probable cause, for a specific individual that makes the subject of an investigation, is exactly the same as surveying the entire population just in case some individuals may happen to break the law in the future. Right. Nothing changes. 🙄😵💫
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Another case of "I haven't actually read what Apple is doing, so I'll just jump to preposterous conclusions."
So let's see...
Just what is Apple doing today...
Reminder: Apple can scan iCloud for CSAM if they want.
Just what is Apple doing today...
- Scanning iCloud Mail
- Responding and complying with warrants for iCloud Data
- Complying with laws
- Scanning iCloud for CSAM
- Scan on device for CSAM
Reminder: Apple can scan iCloud for CSAM if they want.
FIFY
EDIT: Added my winky face since I respect dk001's responses even if we disagree somewhat.. 😇
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You need to reread what Apple proposed.
If you are going to fix it, kindly get it right.
Thx.
For matches, Apple needs to visually compare - image(s) once the threshold is reached.
NCMEC tip line reports all positives to law enforcement.
I'm correct...I just refuse to jump to the dumbed down "they will scan your phone" response everyone seems to want to use.
I'm correct...I just refuse to jump to the dumbed down "they will scan your phone" response everyone seems to want to use.
I'm hopeful that Apple never implements the CSAM tool on device. 🤞🤞🤞
Could be however there are some very talented folks looking to see if it is.
But apples doing it so it must the great. 🙄🙄