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rampancy

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Wow, what a gorgeous machine. I've seen some 2009-era 15" MacBook Pros fall to $150-175 CAD in my area and I'm sorely tempted to snap one up. Okay, I keep asking for this, but where's that post that outlined all of the GPU issues with early-mid Intel MacBook Pros? I can't remember if it was B S Magnet or Amethyst1 who posted that.
 

theMarble

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Wow, what a gorgeous machine. I've seen some 2009-era 15" MacBook Pros fall to $150-175 CAD in my area and I'm sorely tempted to snap one up. Okay, I keep asking for this, but where's that post that outlined all of the GPU issues with early-mid Intel MacBook Pros? I can't remember if it was B S Magnet or Amethyst1 who posted that.
Not sure, but this a summary of them. I did a post on Which E.I Mac to get, which covers a few of them.

- Any MacBook Pro with the GeForce 8600M GT. They are the 602 revision and fail often. Can be replaced with a 603 model which doesn't fail.
- The 15" and 17" MacBook Pro's with the GT 330M chip. Can be fixed.
- Any Mac with Radeon HD 6000 series chips. This includes the MacBook Pro's with the 6490/6750/6770M and the iMac with the 6750/6770/6970M chip. These are the most notorious GPU fail, and cannot be fixed without fully disabling the AMD chip and sticking with the HD 3000, cutting off all external display support. (Not sure if the 6630M in the mini fails)
- The original 2012/Early 2013 15" Retina MacBook Pro with the GT 650M. IIRC can be fixed. The pre-Retina/unibody 2012 15" with the 650M is unaffected.

The MCP79 MacBook's with the 9400M (and 9600M GT if it's a 15" or 17") are not troubled with graphics failure.
 
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I've been kicking around getting a 17" Pro for a while, and finally pulled the trigger on one Saturday. Mid 2009, 3.06GHz model. It had 10.7.0 on it, which...I'm still confused by, but whatever. 😄

As you can see I'm loading 10.11 on it now, mostly to test. It's already maxed out with 8GB of RAM, I plan to replace the stock spinner (which is at least a 7200RPM unit) with a big SSD, then I'll likely dual or triple boot between 10.6, 10.14, and maybe Windows 7 as well.

Even if the version I longed for — the late 2011 17-inch — is beset by the faulty Radeon GPU design, I cannot help but smile whenver I see any 17-inch unibody with the anti-glare option. It’s just magnificent.
 
Wow, what a gorgeous machine. I've seen some 2009-era 15" MacBook Pros fall to $150-175 CAD in my area and I'm sorely tempted to snap one up. Okay, I keep asking for this, but where's that post that outlined all of the GPU issues with early-mid Intel MacBook Pros? I can't remember if it was B S Magnet or Amethyst1 who posted that.
It would have been @Amethyst1 — as he’s sort of our resident GPU/display demon (which I say in the most revered way).
 

TheShortTimer

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Not sure, but this a summary of them. I did a post on Which E.I Mac to get, which covers a few of them.

- Any MacBook Pro with the GeForce 8600M GT. They are the 602 revision and fail often. Can be replaced with a 603 model which doesn't fail.
- The 15" and 17" MacBook Pro's with the GT 330M chip. Can be fixed.
- Any Mac with Radeon HD 6000 series chips. This includes the MacBook Pro's with the 6490/6750/6770M and the iMac with the 6750/6770/6970M chip. These are the most notorious GPU fail, and cannot be fixed without fully disabling the AMD chip and sticking with the HD 3000, cutting off all external display support. (Not sure if the 6630M in the mini fails)
- The original 2012/Early 2013 15" Retina MacBook Pro with the GT 650M. IIRC can be fixed. The pre-Retina/unibody 2012 15" with the 650M is unaffected.

The MCP79 MacBook's with the 9400M (and 9600M GT if it's a 15" or 17") are not troubled with graphics failure.

In addition, from my own personal experience I'd advise caution with the ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 in the early MacBook Pro's: 1,1 to be exact. I had one fail on me and a web search revealed that many MBP 2006 owners have been affected by this issue but it didn't receive as much attention as the GPU failure on 2007-2008 models - or an exchange programme for that matter. Which I think is unfair behaviour by Apple.

The caveat is that I managed to replace the logic board fairly cheaply with a later (and superior) revision and I haven't experienced any problems in the nine years since but I'd still be wary about purchasing machines from that generation.
 

GMShadow

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Anecdotally, I had a MBP 1,1 15" for years and didn't have an issue - it was an early 256MB revision, perhaps that was relevant. It did have the coil whine if you let the CPU idle though.
 
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originaldotexe

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LOL. I think on principle, you now have to include your smiling male mug on every future pic of hardware you post on here. Consider it your brand. For no other reason to be gangster AF and not take any smug BS from any one on here. Never apologize.

Folks don't like it? They can kick rocks.
lol, that is funny. thank you :p

in retrospect i dont know why i put my face in the photo, i think it was kind of dumb. lol
 
LOL. I think on principle, you now have to include your smiling male mug on every future pic of hardware you post on here. Consider it your brand. For no other reason to be gangster AF and not take any smug BS from any one on here. Never apologize.

Folks don't like it? They can kick rocks.

And this here is why the Apple iSon 1.0 failed to gain any traction with consumers and why they’re so incredibly rare now.

lol, that is funny. thank you :p

in retrospect i dont know why i put my face in the photo, i think it was kind of dumb. lol

You know I was only razzing you with the iSon bit, yes? :)
 
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lol, that is funny. thank you :p

in retrospect i dont know why i put my face in the photo, i think it was kind of dumb. lol
I assumed you were saying hello to us in a personable way that most are scared to, hence why they hide themselves behind the internet. It’s incredibly gutless & weak AF when you really think about it - hide behind www anonymity and then lash out & criticize others for doing what you yourself will not do.

Personally, I found great value in your post (humor, puting a face to the name etc) and zero value in the peanut gallery’s response. Your action was not dumb. Dumb would have been posting your credit card number on here or sending cash money in todays age of PP or emailing a Nigerian prince your social security number . Lol

Your humanity & how you express it is never dumb. The only lesson to be pulled from this is that as bravenly as you may express yourself, there will always be some sad little toadie ready to try and crap all over what your healthy male ego projects.

Never apologize for this. You owe these smug, emasculating, little toads absolutely nothing. You do you and the toadies can kick rocks.

This was posted on a cmp1,1 still crushing it running SL & El Cap.
 

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originaldotexe

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I assumed you were saying hello to us in a personable way that most are scared to, hence why they hide themselves behind the internet. It’s incredibly gutless & weak AF when you really think about it - hide behind www anonymity and then lash out & criticize others for doing what you yourself will not do.

Personally, I found great value in your post (humor, puting a face to the name etc) and zero value in the peanut gallery’s response. Your action was not dumb. Dumb would have been posting your credit card number on here or sending cash money in todays age of PP or emailing a Nigerian prince your social security number . Lol

Your humanity & how you express it is never dumb. The only lesson to be pulled from this is that as bravenly as you may express yourself, there will always be some sad little toadie ready to try and crap all over what your healthy male ego projects.

Never apologize for this. You owe these smug little toads absolutely nothing. You do you and the toadies can kick rocks.

This was posted on a cmp1,1 still crushing it running SL & El Cap.
thank you :) you are a very nice person

here is my new macbookpro4,1 which is dual booting snow leopard & mojave:
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specs:
core 2 duo 2.4ghz
6gb ddr2 ram
geforce 8600m gt
samsung 870 evo 500gb ssd
 

rampancy

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Jul 22, 2002
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Forgive me, my bretheren, for I have strayed from the path...

Replacing the 2009 A1181 and the 2008 A1226 that have been my daily driver units at home is an almost pristine condition Late-2013 A1418 21.5" iMac that an old friend gave me in exchange for helping her set up her new M1 iMac. The catch is that the hard drive isn't in the greatest condition, and will have to be replaced. Looking at the steps involved -- including the "pizza cutter" tool from iFixit -- really makes me detest Apple for gluing all of their computers together.

Anyway!

I'm not here to talk about that Mac - I'm here to talk about an old beater 2006 MacBook 1,1 that I found on a local buy-and-sell site. The seller was listing it for $1 - but later told me that if I wanted to come to her place to pick it up I could get it for free...

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The Mac was in decent shape, but it had a thoroughly busted LCD, and a tired old hard drive that was stuffed with someone's undergraduate term papers. Thankfully I had a good display assembly ready to go, and RAM to replace the original 2x 256 MB SO-DIMMS. Looking back, it's hard for me to believe that there was ever a time where 512 MB of RAM was considered "adequate"...

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I discovered in my time fixing up this Mac that the MacBook 1,1s really do need a working battery. When booting with no battery, or a non-functioning battery, the Mac was prone to issues with shut down/reboots that I'd seen in other similar model MacBooks: Spontaneous start-ups upon plugging in the MagSafe, and freezing up with a black screen when shutting down or rebooting. Putting a functional battery cleared all of that up. In addition to frequency throttling, I'm guessing that the 1,1s suffer from some kind of short circuiting issues when a working battery is not present. I don't remember seeing this behaviour in 2,1, 3,1, or 4,1 MacBooks.
 

TheShortTimer

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1$ and then free upon collection? That's a steal! Congrats. :)

I discovered in my time fixing up this Mac that the MacBook 1,1s really do need a working battery. When booting with no battery, or a non-functioning battery, the Mac was prone to issues with shut down/reboots that I'd seen in other similar model MacBooks: Spontaneous start-ups upon plugging in the MagSafe, and freezing up with a black screen when shutting down or rebooting. Putting a functional battery cleared all of that up. In addition to frequency throttling, I'm guessing that the 1,1s suffer from some kind of short circuiting issues when a working battery is not present. I don't remember seeing this behaviour in 2,1, 3,1, or 4,1 MacBooks.

I experienced all of this and other power management related issues with my MacBook Air C2D because its battery had failed and couldn't charge beyond 1%. Once the battery was replaced, they all came to an end, thankfully.

Looking back, it's hard for me to believe that there was ever a time where 512 MB of RAM was considered "adequate"...

Well...

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Amethyst1

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Looking back, it's hard for me to believe that there was ever a time where 512 MB of RAM was considered "adequate"...
Back in 2001, my PC had 512 MB. That was deemed generous then but I was a VMware nut and made good use of it. But in 2006, calling it adequate was a bit of a stretch.

With regards to the “boot from external SSD” bit, my main Mac has been using a Samsung T5 for a boot drive.
 
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I've been kicking around getting a 17" Pro for a while, and finally pulled the trigger on one Saturday. Mid 2009, 3.06GHz model. It had 10.7.0 on it, which...I'm still confused by, but whatever. 😄

As you can see I'm loading 10.11 on it now, mostly to test. It's already maxed out with 8GB of RAM, I plan to replace the stock spinner (which is at least a 7200RPM unit) with a big SSD, then I'll likely dual or triple boot between 10.6, 10.14, and maybe Windows 7 as well.
Nice
 
I assumed you were saying hello to us in a personable way that most are scared to, hence why they hide themselves behind the internet. It’s incredibly gutless & weak AF when you really think about it - hide behind www anonymity and then lash out & criticize others for doing what you yourself will not do.

Personally, I found great value in your post (humor, puting a face to the name etc) and zero value in the peanut gallery’s response. Your action was not dumb. Dumb would have been posting your credit card number on here or sending cash money in todays age of PP or emailing a Nigerian prince your social security number . Lol

Your humanity & how you express it is never dumb. The only lesson to be pulled from this is that as bravenly [sic] as you may express yourself, there will always be some sad little toadie ready to try and crap all over what your healthy male ego projects.

Never apologize for this. You owe these smug, emasculating, little toads absolutely nothing. You do you and the toadies can kick rocks.

Wowwww. With all that off-topic name-flinging: are you for real?

If one cannot punch up (when one finds themselves atop the heap), then whatever one falls back to instead, try not to punch down. The punch-down never works as a move of the high road, and it betrays the soft-footing and brittleness one feels for their own lofty station. 🙋‍♀️



[Just a thing for y’all to mull over in your own time: it’s unwise to behave as if the Early Intel Macs and PowerPC Macs forums are “sausage fests”.

[Women, including me, like to work with and use vintage Apple gear for our many and varied projects (for me, it’s film photo archival work, writing, sound engineering, DJing, occasional streaming, and tinkering). We already know we’re a quantitative minority when we choose to engage in most, if not all technology-based discussions. To mock what we post, even if indirectly, doesn’t do much to enrich the quality of knowledge which we — all MR forum members — all voluntarily bring, share and, exchange on here when some folks try to make the room a bit less welcoming for an underrepresented population. Doing so loses us in the long run, and the quality of knowledge shared suffers for it.

[I know a lot of us want to read these discussions without reminders of how we’re presumed to not be in the room or relegated to lurking wallflowers. After all, you want the best and the brightest minds to eke out more from our vintage gear, right? Frequently, the best and the brightest minds happen to be with women and non-binary folks. And if we hazard to speak up on something which deviates from the forums’ remit (as Nicole did), then it’s maybe a prudent plan to listen and not to mock us, or to throw around epithets as a way to mock us and render us less welcomed to these forum discussions.

[Again, this offers food for thought for those of you who find yourselves quick at punching downward.]
 
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rampancy

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Jul 22, 2002
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If you don't feel like doing that, you can boot off an external Thunderbolt 1 (expensive) or USB 3.0 (cheap) SSD. Works great.

I asked this in the iMac forum, but is booting from a USB 3 SSD actually viable as a daily solution? Are there any issues to work with, or does it really all "just work" – forgive my skepticism, I'm just used to dealing with external USB disks being extremely slow as boot disks. Mind you, these were 5400 rpm hard drives in external cases over USB 2, but I still have vivid memories of the utter slog it was.

I'm also asking because thanks to Black Friday pricing, an external 1 TB Samsung T7 Shield USB 3.2 SSD is currently cheaper than an internal SATA 1TB Samsung 870 EVO plus the tools I'd need to open the iMac up. (Looking at the iFixit guide to just upgrade the RAM makes me think that this is one of the worst Macs to work with that I've ever encountered.)

If I can solve the issue of the slow/slowly failing internal hard drive with a simple fix of plugging in an external SSD, that would be awesome.
 

Amethyst1

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I asked this in the iMac forum, but is booting from a USB 3 SSD actually viable as a daily solution?
Yes. My main system (a Late 2015 iMac 4K) has been booting from a Samsung T5 USB 3.0 SSD for, like, two years or so. It works fine. I get sequential reads of 430 MB/s and writes between 360 and 430 MB/s right now.

I'll upgrade to a Thunderbolt 2 SSD (a Samsung 970 Evo in an AKiTio Thunder2 enclosure) because I want more speed (I'll be looking at ≈1500 MB/s) and native TRIM support, but that doesn't mean the T5 is unusably slow or anything.

Are there any issues to work with, or does it really all "just work"
Apart from macOS not issueing the TRIM command to the SSD, it "just works". I was able to install macOS Mojave from a bootable USB flash drive to the SSD just fine.

I'm just used to dealing with external USB disks being extremely slow as boot disks. Mind you, these were 5400 rpm hard drives in external cases over USB 2, but I still have vivid memories of the utter slog it was.
Well, spinning hard drives and USB 2.0 are a recipe for pain. ;)
 

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rampancy

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Yes. My main system (a Late 2015 iMac 4K) has been booting from a Samsung T5 USB 3.0 SSD for, like, two years or so. It works fine. I get sequential reads of 430 MB/s and writes between 360 and 430 MB/s right now.

I'll upgrade to a Thunderbolt 2 SSD (a Samsung 970 Evo in an AKiTio Thunder2 enclosure) because I want more speed (I'll be looking at ≈1500 MB/s) and native TRIM support, but that doesn't mean the T5 is unusably slow or anything.

Apart from macOS not issueing the TRIM command to the SSD, it "just works". I was able to install macOS Mojave from a bootable USB flash drive to the SSD just fine.

Yup! I'm now running the iMac off of a 1 TB Samsung T7 Shield, and it's simply wonderful. Me being the stickler and completionist that I am, I would have replaced the internal HDD, put in a blade SSD, and maxed out the RAM, but I simply don't have the appetite to do a full teardown of what is otherwise a beautful, fully functioning machine.

Anyway, the external SSD is fantastic. It feels like boot times have been cut in half vs. when I was running off of the internal drive. My only beef is that my iMac doesn't support USB 3.2 Gen 2x2, which would allow the full use of an SSD like the Kingston XS2000, which from some benchmarks I've seen is significantly faster. (Apparently not even the M1 Macs support it?)

Also, the V-NAND flash in the T7 Shield, while an improvement on the T7/T7 Touch, is DRAM-less. 😭
 

Amethyst1

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My only beef is that my iMac doesn't support USB 3.2 Gen 2x2, which would allow the full use of an SSD like the Kingston XS2000, which from some benchmarks I've seen is significantly faster.
If you want something faster than USB 3.0 aka “ USB 3.1 Gen 1” aka “USB 3.2 Gen 1”, hook up a PCIe SSD via Thunderbolt 1. That’s as good as it gets for a 2013 iMac I’m afraid. ;)
 
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