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So M1 Max with 32 Core GPU matches RTX 3080 Mobile.
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The M1 Max is capped by default because the 14” MBP also needs to work with the M1 Max. And knowing Apple, they are not going to make a M1 Max version for the 14” and an other M1 Max version for the 16”.
So the “high-power” mode is not really a “turbo mode”, it is just simply the M1 Max unleashed how it was intended to run on the 16” MBP.
Yes, that’s what I meant by down-clocked in both posts. I was just revising the, by 25%, stab in the dark of the first post, because we have a GB metal score for a 16 core M1 Pro model now.
The M1 Max GFX, it’s probably safe to say, will run at its default frequency in the new 27” iMacs, and in the 16” MacBook Pros when High Power Mode is selected.
The M1 Max GFX, it’s probably safe to say, will run at its default frequency in the new 27” iMacs, and in the 16” MacBook Pros when High Power Mode is selected.
I still can't understand how people think what Apple does is ok. Not to mention a soldered SSD which is just unfathomable to me.
I understand there is a trade off here with the technology you get, but there is no doubt people are being gas lit by apple...and hard.
If I was to slap my P17 down in the middle of a Starbucks, the looks I would get would be people scoffing at me. Look at this guy with his laptop from the 90's. The irony is the ignorance that my laptop would slaughter any of their latte machines. In addition to the fact I could remove a handful of screws and have full access to my RAM, SSD, and full access to swap them our as well as change fans, network cards, WAN cards, swap out of MXM based dGPU, or repaste things if I desire. Or hell...maybe I want an additional SSD to my other 3, so I stick a 2242 in the WAN slot.
There is almost a pride that comes from rocking a thick ****ing P-series. Having a 110W Quadro RTX 5000 and Xeon processor.
I understand there is a trade off here with the technology you get, but there is no doubt people are being gas lit by apple...and hard.
If I was to slap my P17 down in the middle of a Starbucks, the looks I would get would be people scoffing at me. Look at this guy with his laptop from the 90's. The irony is the ignorance that my laptop would slaughter any of their latte machines. In addition to the fact I could remove a handful of screws and have full access to my RAM, SSD, and full access to swap them our as well as change fans, network cards, WAN cards, swap out of MXM based dGPU, or repaste things if I desire. Or hell...maybe I want an additional SSD to my other 3, so I stick a 2242 in the WAN slot.
There is almost a pride that comes from rocking a thick ****ing P-series. Having a 110W Quadro RTX 5000 and Xeon processor.
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Because maybe people prefer having portability and actual ergonomy rather than the ephemeral promise of "upgradeability"?
To me a computer is a tool. Still, while I fail to share your sense of pride of wielding a piece of equipment, I am happy that you found something that you feel comfortable with. Personally, I prefer to use a computer that is faster than your P-series and can fit in my backpack without being annoying.
Gotcha.
It is unlikely to throttle, much much less compared to any x86, no doubt about that.
What niche market? Crippled how exactly?
Of course I feel the need to jab into your comment. I find this "real men drive big cars" attitude silly. Sure, one does not argue about tastes, but no, your P16 is not a "real computer" in comparison, and no, almost nobody cares about upgradeability or MILSPEC. People care about real, everyday issues such as comfort of use and performance.
To put it differently, you can drive around in your Jeep, but I prefer my sleek e-bike which will get me through the city rush hour traffic significantly faster, has exactly as much carrying capacity as I need and can be parked anywhere. And no, I am not a weirdo or a fanboy for not appreciating your Jeep.
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when you care more about what some strangers think at Starbucks about your tool .....
No one cares. Apple has become the most valuable company in the world by proving that people don’t care about any of that over and over and over.
Depends on what one means by “no one cares”. The gaming PC market is dominated by people who love to upgrade and kit out their builds. It’s a whole subculture.
For laptops / actual work and the average person in a Starbucks you’re right. No one cares. They view them as tools and they’re much more apt to be interested if you’re making something cool on it vs how many fans it has.
Also people aren't a monolith. Some people want an expandable, repairable, modular phone or laptop. Do I care? No. I just want it to work. But I enjoy working on my car and swapping out parts and things. During my PC days I would build a new system every week. It was a fun hobby. Even now I'd love to kit out a Mac Pro.
you sound hilarious..i literally just got a visual of you lugging around your desklaptop and plugging it in at a coffee shop thinking you are such a badass because the lighting at the coffee shop gets dimmer when you are plugged in.
I am a PC fan, i have been building my own PCs for years my first version of windows was 3.1.. Ill stick to desktops when i want to switch out parts and upgrade. Soon everyones "latte machines" will run circles around your hilarious briefcase computer with your GIGANTIC 17" 1920x1080 display with INCH bezels..im sorry but that is the most obnoxious waste of money ive ever seen. Talk about a niche market..spending 6k on a freaking laptop that must be plugged in at all times and is ONLY good for CAD... cant even game decent on a quadro
..ive never seen someone so butthurt about not being able to use the best of the best CPU/GPU on their windows computer.
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It's a great machine.
But its a big thing. For instance, it cannot be charged via USB-C thunderbolt, because they are capped at 100 Watts. The power supply for the P17 is 230 watts, although there is a 170 watt one too. The one that ships weighs 1.8 lb, or .85 kg. It huge too - 1" x 4" x 8".
3.7 kg (8 lbs) + 0.85kg = 4.55kg, almost 10 lb.
The Mac weighs 2.2 kg - 4.7 lb. The new charger? Well, I don't know ... they are available though. They are new tech, and the new Powerbook Pros have a new standard for USB charging as well, so they can handle more than 100 watts. Unlike the HP. Which requires power via it's charging port. Some have suggested connecting two chargers to the P17's USB-C/T ports, but then.
Really - there is a price to pay in being able to open your beautiful beast and upgrade it. Size and weight at the end of the day.
5.5 lbs versus 10 (inc chargers). And hey - you can run the Mac at full speed for a long time, on it's battery. Not very easy to do for long with your magnificent portable PC.
And interestingly, the new Powerbooks can be charged via USB C, but to get fast charging in the 16", you need to go via a USB-C to Magsafe adapter. But Apple are not stinging people for the chargers. The new charger is very high tech and is a new standard.
On the service side of things ... I think Apple's model for hardware repair, is to put in a brand new item. When I had my keyboard replaced a year ago in my 2017 MBP 15.4", Apple replaced the whole top of the computer. New keyboard, new top facing, new track pad, new battery. A bit like with an iPad - you don't repair them - they swap them over with a new one. Same with phones.
That's a different model to repairing things. In many ways it makes sense too.
Apple users pay a premium when buying a new MBP for things like extra RAM and drive capacity. I wish Apple would sell their RAM and drives for the same price we can buy them for ourselves ... that would be a customer focused solution. But I think that Apple makes more profit from higher capacity machines. That means in effect, that the lower end machines - say 1.0 or 2 GB drives and maybe 16 GB or 32 GB of Ram - are being cross subsidised by the machines with large drives and 64 GB of Ram. Since the high end spec is likely for high value add purposes, maybe that business model makes sense. For myself, I think spec'ing an Apple is related to how long I'd like it to last. So if I add some storage and Ram, I reckon I'd keep it longer. With a P17 though, you can equip its Ram and Drive at the minimum, and easily upgrade when you need it. That's certainly a strong value issue, but sadly for us it doesn't fit with Apple's service and profit margin business models.
That's a different model to repairing things. In many ways it makes sense too.
Apple users pay a premium when buying a new MBP for things like extra RAM and drive capacity. I wish Apple would sell their RAM and drives for the same price we can buy them for ourselves ... that would be a customer focused solution. But I think that Apple makes more profit from higher capacity machines. That means in effect, that the lower end machines - say 1.0 or 2 GB drives and maybe 16 GB or 32 GB of Ram - are being cross subsidised by the machines with large drives and 64 GB of Ram. Since the high end spec is likely for high value add purposes, maybe that business model makes sense. For myself, I think spec'ing an Apple is related to how long I'd like it to last. So if I add some storage and Ram, I reckon I'd keep it longer. With a P17 though, you can equip its Ram and Drive at the minimum, and easily upgrade when you need it. That's certainly a strong value issue, but sadly for us it doesn't fit with Apple's service and profit margin business models.
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Make or break tomorrow if it can perform on battery with decent battery life without plugging in otherwise it's about half the performance of other plugin laptops.
https://hothardware.com/news/apple-m1-max-crushes-first-gen-m1-in-leaked-benchmarks
https://hothardware.com/news/apple-m1-max-crushes-first-gen-m1-in-leaked-benchmarks
... in Geekbench Compute.
SO MANY other benchmarks hopefully available soon, that will be far more interesting than Geekbench Compute.
Yep, we’re all hungry for some real world results.
While that chart is a bit of a mixed metaphor, the available GB OpenCL scores were interesting; they show similar to the Metal scores, along the lines of @leman's argument . . , except more specifically, inside the OpenCL listings GB reports *Maximum Frequency, and it states 1000 MHz for both models. It's odd that GB doesn't include the same details in the Metal listings, but if correct, High Power Mode will be what it's called, and the question rather; is how much juice can Apple give it?
*Maximum is a bit too vague to draw a conclusion.
While that chart is a bit of a mixed metaphor, the available GB OpenCL scores were interesting; they show similar to the Metal scores, along the lines of @leman's argument . . , except more specifically, inside the OpenCL listings GB reports *Maximum Frequency, and it states 1000 MHz for both models. It's odd that GB doesn't include the same details in the Metal listings,
*Maximum is a bit too vague to draw a conclusion.
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We should definitely add some power draw figures to that chart.Make or break tomorrow if it can perform on battery with decent battery life without plugging in otherwise it's about half the performance of other plugin laptops.
https://hothardware.com/news/apple-m1-max-crushes-first-gen-m1-in-leaked-benchmarks
The 2020 Mac mini 8-core GPU uses around 7.5.- 10 Watt depending on workload. Source.
The entire computer draws less than 27 Watt at full load.
It'd be useful to have a plot showing the geekbench compute score as a function of FLOPS, for Apple Silicon, AMD 6XXX and Nvidia 3XXX.
Maybe I'll do it when I have the time. The challenge is finding reliable results, excluding overclocked GPUs and such. I think the ranking page shows average scores rather than median scores, which is not ideal.
Maybe I'll do it when I have the time. The challenge is finding reliable results, excluding overclocked GPUs and such. I think the ranking page shows average scores rather than median scores, which is not ideal.