So M1 Max with 32 Core GPU matches RTX 3080 Mobile.

[Serban55]

wow the webcam and mics...and people called that this is what Dell is doing with their 1080p...
and that fully load surface temps.....a windows good cooling laptop MSI around 55-57C on the keys...this MBP?? around 20C !!! 20 C for the M1 pro SoC....probably around 30 or at the worse 40C with the M1 max...but still....thats something IMPRESSIVE that no one will come close to this whole package in the next 2- 3years

 

[vel0city]

From Anandtech

"The chips here aren’t only able to outclass any competitor laptop design, but also competes against the best desktop systems out there, you’d have to bring out server-class hardware to get ahead of the M1 Max – it’s just generally absurd."

 

[crazy dave]

I've asked Andrei/Ryan to comment about the Geekbench scores and the high performance mode.

EDIT: Andrei responded And Ha! I'm wrong!

Apple's M1 Pro, M1 Max SoCs Investigated: New Performance and Efficiency Heights

www.anandtech.com

Take that me! Reading his response the issue is that the bigger Apple GPUs take too long to get up to max frequencies and the individual GB tests are so short the GPU doesn't have time to hit peak. So it's the exact opposite of the problem I thought it was.

I've asked for clarity to make sure I've got it right.

So @leman, @jmho, @quarkysg, @jeanlain, @diamond.g, @EugW, @ElfinHilon, et al... (sorry if I missed anyone in the tag) the issue isn't that GB is too long and it's throttling, it's that it is too short and isn't peaking. ?

Edit 2: Andrei also confirms that none of the benchmarks have been run with "high power mode" on

Edit 3: Ryan confirms, the big Max GPU doesn't ramp its clocks up as fast. Most workloads won't notice the difference, but GB workloads by being so small do.

 

[diamond.g]

The Shadow of the Tombraider results are somewhat depressing. I wonder if they have Baldurs Gate 3 or Metro Exodus on hand to test with.

 

[crazy dave]

The Shadow of the Tombraider results are somewhat depressing. I wonder if they have Baldurs Gate 3 or Metro Exodus on hand to test with.

Optimized Mac gaming has a long way to go, especially on AS, but even before that

 

[EugW]

The Shadow of the Tombraider results are somewhat depressing.

Well, for one thing, this is under Rosetta 2.

 

[crazy dave]

Well, for one thing, this is under Rosetta 2.

True but even GPU-bound at 4K which basically takes the CPU out of it, the results are still not great. Probably a lack of optimization for Metal/the GPU, which especially for the latter is expected since the game is older than the GPU .

 

[diamond.g]

Well, for one thing, this is under Rosetta 2.

True but even GPU-bound at 4K which basically takes the CPU out of it, the results are still not great. Probably a lack of optimization for Metal/the GPU, which especially for the latter is expected since the game is older than the GPU .

Yeah that is why I mentioned BG3 and ME cause those had more work done to get them to run on M1 Macs.

 

[Serban55]

 

[magbarn]

True but even GPU-bound at 4K which basically takes the CPU out of it, the results are still not great. Probably a lack of optimization for Metal/the GPU, which especially for the latter is expected since the game is older than the GPU .

In other words, more of the same. Don't expect a gaming revolution with Apple Silicon.

 

[crazy dave]

In other words, more of the same. Don't expect a gaming revolution with Apple Silicon.

Well not right away no ... that's going to take time, quite a bit of it. But as a matter of silicon, yes it is a revolution of what Macs are capable of. Now it needs big AAA games to be optimized for it to realize that potential. That's going to take awhile.

 

[jinnyman]

I know WoW is an old game now, but is there any reviewer doing a comparison with RTX 30 series using Wow?
Wow is supposed to be M1 native. so I'm wondering what kind of performance relative to RTX 3080 or 3070 M1 Pro and Max are offering.

 

[magbarn]

Well not right away no ... that's going to take time, quite a bit of it. But as a matter of silicon, yes it is a revolution of what Macs are capable of. Now it needs big AAA games to be optimized for it to realize that potential. That's going to take awhile.

Only way that's going to happen is Apple making a big push of it. Right now, they're only interested in iOS gaming...

 

[crazy dave]

Only way that's going to happen is Apple making a big push of it. Right now, they're only interested in iOS gaming...

That I agree with. If Apple want gaming on the Mac, they need a big push to get those developers to see the potential. Maybe they will. Who knows.

 

[EugW]

I know WoW is an old game now, but is there any reviewer doing a comparison with RTX 30 series using Wow?
Wow is supposed to be M1 native. so I'm wondering what kind of performance relative to RTX 3080 or 3070 M1 Pro and Max are offering.

This is not a bench, but he says WoW performs very well on M1 Pro.

 

[byron_hinson]

Seems for gaming it’s running pretty poorly in the reviews which is a shame.

“Testing this out with a benchmark, the 14-inch MacBook Pro hit 39fps on Rise of the Tomb Raider (at 1920 x 1200), while the 16-inch model soared to a super-smooth 73.87 fps. When we increased the resolution, the 14-inch (at 3024 x 1964) hit a choppy 17 fps while the 16-inch (at 3456 x 2234) still failed to get above 30 fps, at 27 fps.”

Better than what some Macs have had before. But more nvidia 3050 level for gaming

 

[Andropov]

Seems for gaming it’s running pretty poorly in the reviews which is a shame.

“Testing this out with a benchmark, the 14-inch MacBook Pro hit 39fps on Rise of the Tomb Raider (at 1920 x 1200), while the 16-inch model soared to a super-smooth 73.87 fps. When we increased the resolution, the 14-inch (at 3024 x 1964) hit a choppy 17 fps while the 16-inch (at 3456 x 2234) still failed to get above 30 fps, at 27 fps.”

Better than what some Macs have had before. But more nvidia 3050 level for gaming

It's running under Rosetta, no wonder the fps are low...

 

[diamond.g]

I know WoW is an old game now, but is there any reviewer doing a comparison with RTX 30 series using Wow?
Wow is supposed to be M1 native. so I'm wondering what kind of performance relative to RTX 3080 or 3070 M1 Pro and Max are offering.

No one benches with WoW anymore.

This is not a bench, but he says WoW performs very well on M1 Pro.

160fps @1200p isn't horrible at all. Though I wonder if it is CPU limited at 160fps.

 

[magbarn]

This is not a bench, but he says WoW performs very well on M1 Pro.

I guess it makes the perfect WoW gaming machine on the go. I hope it get's rid of the microstutter that I saw when I tried it on my M1 MBA.

 

[diamond.g]

It's running under Rosetta, no wonder the fps are low...

I thought SotTR used Metal for the graphics API?

 

[byron_hinson]

It's running under Rosetta, no wonder the fps are low...

It's running under Rosetta, no wonder the fps are lo

Even Civ 6 is running poorly and that’s not under Rosetta. I’ll try and get more benchmark from my friend who’s got his, but so far he said he wouldn’t pay for it if you are expecting 3080 levels of gaming, he loves it, just for gaming it’s nothing special currently.

 

[byron_hinson]

I thought SotTR used Metal for the graphics API?

It does. It’s badly performing. Rise and Shadown both use metal and it’s the same low performance.

 

[Andropov]

I thought SotTR used Metal for the graphics API?

From the AnandTech review, just under the SotTR benchmarks:

Digging deeper, there are a couple of factors in play here. First and foremost, the M1 Max in particular is CPU limited at 1080p; the x86-to-Arm translation via Rosetta is not free,

And a paragraph later:

Our second game is Borderlands 3. This is another macOS port that is still x86-only

(That doesn't mean it's not using Metal, Rosetta is just for the CPU side).

 

[zarathu]

Out classing a game computer graphics won’t make any difference until, like PC manufacturers, Apple pays the developers to make hardcore games for them. Or, apple simply buys out the hardcore game companies and forces them to make games for Apple. You think the developers make games for potential profit? They are contracted to make the games.

 

[byron_hinson]

From the AnandTech review, just under the SotTR benchmarks:

And a paragraph later:

Strange. They are mistaken. Both rise and shadow of tomb raider are metal