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newellj

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The money point is a little odd, in my opinion. Yes, as a percentage of purchase price, the X is significantly more expensive than the 8 (less so vs. the 8 Plus, depending on which phone you think is the better comparison). But it's not as if a $700 iPhone is a low-budget, economy product, either. If you need an economical phone, you will buy a "feature phone" or a used phone. New iPhones of any type are expensive products. Even the 6S currently for sale is hardly a bargain at $550 for the 128GB version (32GB is going to be tight for many people), and it's a three year old piece of hardware that is arguably MORE expensive than a 7 or 8 if you start thinking about how many more years Apple is likely to support it and how many more versions of iOS it will run without annoying the user.

Here is my problem with this though…

If someone does not share your opinion, or even if they have no opinion - does that then equal hate?

Perhaps it does not with you, but with some of the users here there is no gray area. If you don't love an Apple product you therefore automatically (in their eyes) hate it.

I dislike ONE particular thing about the iPhone X and don't really care one way or the other about the notch. If my one issue with the X was fixed to my liking I would like the phone. But that one particular thing often classifies me as hating the phone - which I do not.

So, the extremism that the OP sees is sometimes colored by a user's own opinions. Especially if those opinions do not allow for anything other than FOR or AGAINST.

Nah, most of us know hate when we see it. ;) Your posts, for example, can be critical, but they're polite though clear and don't tend to read as if the person you're quoting is (in your view) an idiot. There is plenty of irrational hate, as well as irrational devotion, here. It's just part of the signal:noise ratio, though I think that ratio has tilted in favor of noise over time. :eek: Maybe I'm just feeling grumpy. :D
 
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BugeyeSTI

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There’s room for everyone’s opinion as long as they don’t try to dismiss your own. I love my X but, it’s obviously not perfect. I would never buy an android product but, it’s ridiculous to say the flagship offerings from Apple’s competition aren’t wonderful phones in their own right..
 

newellj

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I thought my 1988 Motorola 3W bag phone was nearly perfect back in 1988...and I was sure that my Motorola Digital Personal Communicator (MicroTac) actually was perfect in 1989...people keep moving the goal posts! :D
 

eyoungren

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I thought my 1988 Motorola 3W bag phone was nearly perfect back in 1988...and I was sure that my Motorola Digital Personal Communicator (MicroTac) actually was perfect in 1989...people keep moving the goal posts! :D
Ah, nothing beats my Sanyo Katana (black!) and my HTC Touch Pro (Windows Mobile 6.1 Pro, Sense UI 2.1 w/Weather!).
 

Luigi_S

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With all this so called hate for the current X, what can Apple actually do this year to please the haters? Will this be the first year we see a design change just after one generation? I’m waiting for gen 2 of the X but don’t really know what I’m actually expecting in a year
 

newellj

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With all this so called hate for the current X, what can Apple actually do this year to please the haters? Will this be the first year we see a design change just after one generation? I’m waiting for gen 2 of the X but don’t really know what I’m actually expecting in a year

Honestly, if I were Apple, I wouldn't be discouraged at all by the negative comments. Compared to people who are either content or even thrilled, I don't think the number of "haters" is a problem. Apple had to anticipate a lot of blowback when they decided to ditch the TouchID. Compared to the furor over products like the rMB, I think this is a tempest in a teapot.
 

JediZenMaster

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I generally tend to stay out of the X threads simply because I don't own the phone so I have nothing to contribute. This particular thread though was about hating on it, so I commented.

All I am saying is that there is extremism on this on both sides and that saying someone hates a product just because they do not love it or love it to the same degree as another person is just as bad as the troll who comes in and has nothing positive to say about the product at all.

Now I am not accusing you of anything either way, so don't get me wrong. I'm just pointing out my observations when it comes to the various threads on hatred of an Apple product.

As owner I’ve started staying out of them just because I’ve gotten to the point where I have gotten heated over a few things that were said.

Hey I respect your observations and didn’t take it as if you were blaming me for anything at all
 
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Ralfi

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Then 2007 came and I had to learn to use a home button and iPhone. My point is device navigation is going to keep evolving and for me it’s an easy learning curve. Can’t image how when we get to thought based hardware with no physical phone device at all how people are going to really feel.

If I were to predict the next UI evolution, I'd say wave gestures (ie. non-contact finger/hand signals) could be next.

The new Volkswagens have a basic version of this, where you can swipe left/right through menus via the use of waving in either direction.

This could also make its way to phones (possibly moreso for tablets), for eg. The True Depth Camera could evolve to detect finger/hand motions, say a circular motion to refesh a web page or the bringing together of all finger tips to return to the home screen etc..
 
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Wide opeN

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While if I really wanted the iPhone X I could have it, without much burden. I'm basically practicing self-deprivation at this point.

I think I'm getting to the point of being tired of upgrading regularly and the repeated cost associated with it.

I think there's something to be said about a little self-control.

With that said, I've wanted an iPhone without a home button since nearly the beginning. That really is the smoking gun feature of the iPhone X to me.

The phone is simply drop dead gorgeous IMO and most definitely is the future of design language.

I think the question I've begun to ask myself is: "when is enough, enough!?" I have a practically brand new iPhone 7 (AppleCare), but here I am still lusting after the latest greatest iPhone. The iPhone 8 isn't even a consideration as it's essentially the phone I have with a glass back and slightly faster processor.

The only outside chance of getting the X, I give myself is my youngest daughter will need a phone soon. I could get the X then and give her my old phone without incurring any new expenses, other than what I would normally.

I very much like the phone, but I'm trying to be smarter about my phone purchases going forward, as I've squandered far too much money in the past.

PS. After having black the last 3 iPhone's, I would definitely get silver. Yessir!!!
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Honestly, if I were Apple, I wouldn't be discouraged at all by the negative comments. Compared to people who are either content or even thrilled, I don't think the number of "haters" is a problem. Apple had to anticipate a lot of blowback when they decided to ditch the TouchID. Compared to the furor over products like the rMB, I think this is a tempest in a teapot.
I think that depends on whether Apple wanted the X to be their main contender in the market or a sideline niche offering. I’m guessing they wanted it to replace the old form factor and be in the hands of as many as possible. The price prevented that and has been the main point of criticism in my country. You don’t see many X’s around in fact I haven’t seen a single one and that’s a First for a new iPhone. I think Apple will have to look at their future pricing structure if they want it to be a serious contender going forward.
 
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Ralfi

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Really think the Face ID blunder at the keynote was the beginning of a snowball of social media hate toward this thing.

That's not to say if that initial promotion went without a hitch we wouldn't have any hate...I just think it guaranteed an onslaught of negativity of which was only capable of reaching the heights we've seen...
 
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JediZenMaster

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Really think the Face ID blunder at the keynote was the beginning of a snowball of social media hate toward this thing.

That's not to say if that initial promotion went without a hitch we wouldn't have any hate...I just think it guaranteed an onslaught of negativity of which was only capable of reaching the heights we've seen...

There were lots of blunders when SJ did keynotes. I think lots of folks just are not happy with Smartphones crossing into the 1000.00 which totally a personal problem.
 

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Really think the Face ID blunder at the keynote was the beginning of a snowball of social media hate toward this thing.

That's not to say if that initial promotion went without a hitch we wouldn't have any hate...I just think it guaranteed an onslaught of negativity of which was only capable of reaching the heights we've seen...

That's true. After that happened, it was rather embarrassing for Apple at the time when the demo did not go as intended. However, I'm glad that Craig Federighi reiterated actually what did happen during the keynote after the fact and it made sense based on how he explained Face ID worked and how it was tampered with unintentionally prior to him using it.
 

Ralfi

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That's true. After that happened, it was rather embarrassing for Apple at the time when the demo did not go as intended. However, I'm glad that Craig Federighi reiterated actually what did happen during the keynote after the fact and it made sense based on how he explained Face ID worked and how it was tampered with unintentionally prior to him using it.
Yeah for those paying attention, it was a relief, but as we know, the internet spreads the worst of news (educated or not) like wildfire, & that blunder was the kindling the haters were salivating at the mouth for...
 

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Yeah for those paying attention, it was a relief, but as we know, the internet spreads the worst of news (educated or not) like wildfire, & that blunder was the kindling the haters were salivating at the mouth for...

True. I Remember after the demo happened, there were threads that were started immediately on here by some that wanted to generate Clickbait hate material against Apple for Face ID. Until Craig Federighi explain things later on, it finally started to settle down through the media.
 

Dented

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Why do people classify any negative comments, however mild, as "hate"? It makes them sound 12 years old.

It also makes them sound rather narrow-minded. People have different opinions to you, and the world does not revolve around you. Get over it. Why do you care so much about what other people think?
100x this.

It’s a phone. An inanimate object. There are good things about it and bad things, and not everyone is going to like it overall. A lot of the “hate” the op is referring to are perfectly valid criticisms of a device which doesn’t quite hit the mark for some people. If they don’t bother you then great. It doesn’t mean we all have to be arranged into categories of “fanboys” and “haters”, we can just have different points of view that’s all.
 
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From0toHero

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100x this.

It’s a phone. An inanimate object. There are good things about it and bad things, and not everyone is going to like it overall. A lot of the “hate” the op is referring to are perfectly valid criticisms of a device which don’t quite hit the mark for some people. If they don’t bother you then great. It doesn’t mean we all have to be arranged into categories of “fanboys” and “haters”, we can just have different points of view that’s all.

Im not talking about valid criticism. Im talking about video after video why i returned my iphone x. If they would have done there homework before buying a 1300 Dollar mobile, maybe they would have managed to save themselves alot of running around. Before i buy anything i make sure, it’s something i will need and it’s of solid quality. I wait a month two after release and watch reviews and stuff. I search on forums about it and if all seems ok i go on and buy it. And never before i encountered so much negativity about a freaking mobile. And maybe hate was the wrong word i used. English is not my native language. Maybe the word why so much negativity towards the iphone x would have been better.
 

newellj

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I think that depends on whether Apple wanted the X to be their main contender in the market or a sideline niche offering. I’m guessing they wanted it to replace the old form factor and be in the hands of as many as possible. The price prevented that and has been the main point of criticism in my country. You don’t see many X’s around in fact I haven’t seen a single one and that’s a First for a new iPhone. I think Apple will have to look at their future pricing structure if they want it to be a serious contender going forward.

I agree, and would add that the current iPhone lineup, stretching across 4 models and 7 major variants, is evidence of a chaotic view within Apple of its markets and how it wants to position its products.
 
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From0toHero

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I agree, and would add that the current iPhone lineup, stretching across 4 models and 7 major variants, is evidence of a chaotic view within Apple of its markets and how it wants to position its products.
I have to disagree sir. The line up is not chaotic at all. You have 3 actual mobiles. The 8 and 8+ plus the X (10). The 8 is for people liking the smaller form factor. The 8+ is for phablet fans. And the X is something new. For people who liked the big screen of the 8+ but in a smaller form factor. So there is for everybody something. And the older models are for not so tech savvy people plus for guys trying to safe some bucks. While the huge portfolio of Samsung mobiles is truly mind boggling. But guess each company has it’s own strategy. But i think apple passed slowly it’s zenith. But something very interesting i mentioned. Im from Switzerland. And all police, ambulances, doctors and state officials use iphone here. Im not quite sure why.
 

DNichter

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It just comes down to price, the fear of moving to new technology, and justification for their purchase. Most people who do their research and understand what they are getting with the X are very happy with their purchase. I know I am.
 
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Dented

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I have to disagree sir. The line up is not chaotic at all. You have 3 actual mobiles. The 8 and 8+ plus the X (10). The 8 is for people liking the smaller form factor. The 8+ is for phablet fans. And the X is something new. For people who liked the big screen of the 8+ but in a smaller form factor. So there is for everybody something. And the older models are for not so tech savvy people plus for guys trying to safe some bucks. While the huge portfolio of Samsung mobiles is truly mind boggling. But guess each company has it’s own strategy. But i think apple passed slowly it’s zenith. But something very interesting i mentioned. Im from Switzerland. And all police, ambulances, doctors and state officials use iphone here. Im not quite sure why.
You’re forgetting the SE, 6S and 7 which are all current models retailed and promoted by Apple themselves. The SE is not simply an older model either, it’s widely expected to be updated soon.
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Im not talking about valid criticism. Im talking about video after video why i returned my iphone x. If they would have done there homework before buying a 1300 Dollar mobile, maybe they would have managed to save themselves alot of running around. Before i buy anything i make sure, it’s something i will need and it’s of solid quality. I wait a month two after release and watch reviews and stuff. I search on forums about it and if all seems ok i go on and buy it. And never before i encountered so much negativity about a freaking mobile. And maybe hate was the wrong word i used. English is not my native language. Maybe the word why so much negativity towards the iphone x would have been better.
Aside from the fact that those videos you mention ARE based on valid criticisms whether you agree with them or not, your premise is actually contradictory - how is anyone supposed to “do their homework” or “watch reviews and stuff” if nobody tries the phone out in the first place and posts a review, negative or otherwise?
 
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jimbo1mcm

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I had and still have a Galaxy S8, which was my primary phone and I think is a great, great phone. It does everything I want in a phone. However, after I got the X I moved that to be my primary phone and haven't looked back. The X does everything I want. It's compact, powerful, great speakers and super screen. I like the way it turns on when I pick it up and the way notifications appear on the home screen is perfect. Now I have to figure what to do with my S8, still a great phone.
 
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