iPhone X So much hate for the iPhone X

[raqball]

That remains to be seen regarding S9 pricing. Purely speculation at this point.

The Note 8 is in no way a comparison to the X. It's an enormous phone with a stylus and a completely different user experience. A more accurate comparison will be the pricing of the Note series compared to the inevitable X Plus coming this fall, which will most likely start at $1100 or more for the base model device, creating a wide price gap between it and the Note 9.

re the S9 price - It's kind of already all but confirmed and it is going up. Guess we will know for sure in 2 weeks.

The Note 8 is a good comparison to the X price wise at least as both are the newest offerings from each company. Are you implying that a Note 8 should be priced higher than an X? I would not make that argument. I'd think the 2 should be closely matched price wise. Furthermore, the iPhone 8 should be priced close to the S9 and the 8 Plus should be priced close to the S9+ or vise-versa.

My .02

 

[batrush]

When you can’t afford it, hate it

 

[blairh]

re the S9 price - It's kind of already all but confirmed and it is going up. Guess we will know for sure in 2 weeks.

The Note 8 is a good comparison to the X price wise at least as both are the newest offerings from each company. Are you implying that a Note 8 should be priced higher than an X? I would not make that argument. I'd think the 2 should be closely matched price wise. Furthermore, the iPhone 8 should be priced close to the S9 and the 8 Plus should be priced close to the S9+ or vise-versa.

My .02

Being the newest offerings is a pretty vague fact to compare two phones on. Physically the Note 8 is massive compared to the X, hence why I feel comparing both phones is pretty ridiculous. I would not compare any current iPhone to the Note 8. Not even the Plus line, as we are talking about a 5.5" screen vs 6.3". A proper Note comparison would either be the S8 Plus or the upcoming X Plus.

Regarding the Note price, I'd say it's not worth it compared to the S8 Plus unless you need the S Pen and dual cameras. I'm not going to compare the prices of the Note 8 and X when they are two wildly different phones.

Why should the iPhone 8 price be compared to the S9? The iPhone 8 has a 4.7" screen and the S9 a 5.8" screen. Ditto with the 8 Plus and S9 Plus.

 

[mtneer]

It's quite natural. Whenever you have a new device or a choice of new devices - you'll have people who have spent a lot of money on the newest gadget trying to justify their purchase by desperately downplaying any negative news about their new possession. On the other side you will have an equally passionate set justifying why they sat on the sidelines while others are enjoying the new gadget, by exaggerating and highlighting every fault, real or perceived.

 

[raqball]

Being the newest offerings is a pretty vague fact to compare two phones on. Physically the Note 8 is massive compared to the X, hence why I feel comparing both phones is pretty ridiculous. I would not compare any current iPhone to the Note 8. Not even the Plus line, as we are talking about a 5.5" screen vs 6.3". A proper Note comparison would either be the S8 Plus or the upcoming X Plus.

And you comparing them to not even announced iPhone X Plus phones is not 'vague' and 'pretty ridiculous'? C'mon man.....

Yes the iPhone 8 and S9 should be priced similar as they are after the same market as is also the case with the Plus and + versions of both.

Screen size is meaningless. The 8 and S9 are the entry level options of both and what most will consider in store. Prices should be close enough to where that's not a deciding factor. Same goes for the Plus and +... Unless of course you believe they are not competing against each others offerings.

My .02

 

[blairh]

And you comparing them to not even announced iPhone X Plus phones is not 'vague' and 'pretty ridiculous'? C'mon man.....

Yes the iPhone 8 and S9 should be priced similar as they are after the same market as is also the case with the Plus and + versions of both.

Dude, what? I'm comparing them to the future X Plus because that is the phone that will actually compare to the Note line. What is so hard to understand about that? You are comparing the Note 8 to the X just because they are the 'latest offerings' which again is a pretty vague reason to compare devices given they will offer entirely different user experiences.

I'm sorry but there is no comparison to the iPhone 8 and S9 and S9 Plus and iPhone 8 Plus. A full inch more of screen is a hugely different phone experience.

 

[raqball]

Dude, what? I'm comparing them to the future X Plus because that is the phone that will actually compare to the Note line. What is so hard to understand about that? You are comparing the Note 8 to the X just because they are the 'latest offerings' which again is a pretty vague reason to compare devices given they will offer entirely different user experiences.

I'm sorry but there is no comparison to the iPhone 8 and S9 and S9 Plus and iPhone 8 Plus. A full inch more of screen is a hugely different phone experience.

When and if Apple releases an X Plus I'd be inclined to agree but I am talking about what we know at the moment and not what's rumored 8 months from now..

Gottcha.. Do do not believe Apple and Samsung compete based on price and features.. WOW!

 

[Apple Fritter]

When you can’t afford it, hate it

Haha yes, that's just how simple the folks you know are probably made up. Sorry to hear really.

If you try to sell me a speck of dust for just $0.99, I'm not gonna buy it even though I could afford it, because value and price don't relate. Being a beggar or a billionaire wouldn't influence that at all.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Just to be clear, that's just the cost of the device itself in the contract. With service, contracts tend to be well over $100 per month.

But in a way that drives the point home even further. If $300 or extra for a device translates to less than 10% extra on a monthly contract it's seemingly immaterial.

I still wish it was only 10% extra on contract. Currently it’s 100% in my country and that’s the deal breaker.

 

[blairh]

When and if Apple releases an X Plus I'd be inclined to agree but I am talking about what we know at the moment and not what's rumored 8 months from now..

Gottcha.. Do do not believe Apple and Samsung compete based on price and features.. WOW!

And I am talking about the X Plus because it's relevant to this discussion in the same way you bring up potential pricing of the S9.

Again, not sure why it's hard to understand the comparison between the iPhone 8/S9 and iPhone 8 Plus/S9 Plus as poor ones. Look at the S8, iPhone 8, and iPhone X. Which two phones look the most alike? The S8 and iPhone X, of course. Hence why it makes more sense to compare those two models versus the iPhone 8 and S9.

 

[raqball]

And I am talking about the X Plus because it's relevant to this discussion in the same way you bring up potential pricing of the S9.

Again, not sure why it's hard to understand the comparison between the iPhone 8/S9 and iPhone 8 Plus/S9 Plus as poor ones. Look at the S8, iPhone 8, and iPhone X. Which two phones look the most alike? The S8 and iPhone X, of course. Hence why it makes more sense to compare those two models versus the iPhone 8 and S9.

LOL... Lets compare an unannounced iPhone 11 Plus then while we are at it...

Your contention is that the Galaxy phones are 1" bigger. You based your entire argument on that with a complete disregard for everything else. Sound reasoning..................... Or not.

It can't be that hard to grasp that Apple and Samsung are competing for the SAME market.... Meh it is what it is and I'm not really interested in an internet argument with a stranger over it. You don't think they are comparable and competitors for the same market and I do so I guess we will just leave it at that..

 

[Electrojake]

Me? Hate the X?

I did have a lot of hate for the first month or so but it was certainly worth my $1000 loss to be able to come here and continually complain about it.

I had a blast seeing the numerous “X disappointment” threads that have popped up since the ‘X’ phone’s release.
Seeing Quotes like the following have become quite soothing…

”I've reached a point where I hate the iPhone X”

“What a cumbersome unintuitive albatross the iPhone X has been”

“After a solid month of ‘X’ frustration and disappointment I have switched back to my old 6s and got my life back”

“Apple was overdue for a ‘looser’ and the ‘X’ is certainly it”

So I have now had my ‘X’ for two months and to be honest about this, It has grown on me.
It is much too small to be practical for my needs but rumors of a Plus sized version by November have put some love back into the equation.

I’d say this quote by D1G1T4L sums it up perfectly...

I personally think the X was just what Apple wanted it to be. A phone where they can test new ideas and designs.
The X gives [us] the option to try something new. I think they knew it was not for everyone given the fact they kept the classic design with Touch ID.
Now for me it will be interesting to see what they adopt from the X in the next release as standard.

Exactly right D1G1T4L,
I hate this new iPhone X but love the fact that it will soon lead to a wonderfully improved X-phone later this year.
-Ej-

 

[blairh]

LOL... Lets compare an unannounced iPhone 11 Plus then while we are at it...

Your contention is that the Galaxy phones are 1" bigger. You based your entire argument on that with a complete disregard for everything else. Sound reasoning..................... Or not.

It can't be that hard to grasp that Apple and Samsung are competing for the SAME market.... Meh it is what it is and I'm not really interested in an internet argument with a stranger over it. You don't think they are comparable and competitors for the same market and I do so I guess we will just leave it at that..

Why is it so strange for you to discuss a device in this conversation that has been all but guaranteed for release this fall? You would agree that a Plus version of the X is coming this fall that is going to be more expensive than the X, no? So then why can't I discuss it when relevant to this conversation?? Your objection to this makes no sense.

Yes, my contention is that if your phone is a full inch larger with respect to screen size then it's hard to compare the two devices. Again, not sure why that's hard to comprehend either. If you are a consumer and don't care about what OS you will be using, don't you think the more apt comparison is between the S8 and iPhone X versus the S8 and iPhone 8? You know, the two phones with the same screen size?

Samsung and Apple of course compete for the same market. But your mistake is believing that say, the Note 8 and the iPhone X are fair comparisons. Sure, if we are talking about a consumer walking into a carrier store and open to any phone, it is. But if you hold the Note 8 and X next to each other it's obvious they are going to offer two completely different experiences. Hence why I don't think those phones are fair to compare at all when it comes to pricing. You can't justify the price of the X compared to the Note when the X Plus, a phone that will truly compete directly with the Note series, will also be more expensive at that time too.

 

[raqball]

Why is it so strange for you to discuss a device in this conversation that has been all but guaranteed for release this fall? You would agree that a Plus version of the X is coming this fall that is going to be more expensive than the X, no? So then why can't I discuss it when relevant to this conversation?? Your objection to this makes no sense.

Yes I think an X Plus is coming. When you can provide specs and pricing for it then we can discus it's market relevance at that time. For now what we have is what we have. The S9 is announced in 2 weeks. We know pretty much everything already about it, including the pricing, so it's relevant to the discussion. We know the feature set and prices of the X, 8, 8 Plus and the Note 8 as well. What we don't know is anything about the X Plus. Sure I think one is coming but it's to far out to say with any certainty. Even if I concede one is on the way, we still know nothing about it.

If and when the X Plus comes out then I'd agree with much of what you said. However as of today the competition, weather you agree or not, in my mind is between:

Galaxy S9 and iPhone 8 = Entry models for both
Galaxy S9+ and iPhone 8 Plus = Both larger version on the entry model
Note 8 and iPhone X = Both top dog pricing wise and both @ the 1K marker.

Are the Galaxy phone larger? Yup! Does the Galaxy line offer things the iPhone does not? Yup! Does the iPhone lineup offer things the Galaxy does not? Yup!

Pricing is an ongoing battle between all competing companies.

Our debating this is off the topic so I'll let it go after this response. If you wish to have the last word on the matter then respond away and I'll let it be

 

[blairh]

Yes I think an X Plus is coming. When you can provide specs and pricing for it then we can discus it's market relevance at that time. For now what we have is what we have. The S9 is announced in 2 weeks. We know pretty much everything already about it, including the pricing, so it's relevant to the discussion. We know the feature set and prices of the X, 8, 8 Plus and the Note 8 as well. What we don't know is anything about the X Plus. Sure I think one is coming but it's to far out to say with any certainty. Even if I concede one is on the way, we still know nothing about it.

If and when the X Plus comes out then I'd agree with much of what you said. However as of today the competition, weather you agree or not, in my mind is between:

Galaxy S9 and iPhone 8 = Entry models for both
Galaxy S9+ and iPhone 8 Plus = Both larger version on the entry model
Note 8 and iPhone X = Both top dog pricing wise and both @ the 1K marker.

Are the Galaxy phone larger? Yup! Does the Galaxy line offer things the iPhone does not? Yup! Does the iPhone lineup offer things the Galaxy does not? Yup!

Pricing is an ongoing battle between all competing companies.

Our debating this is off the topic so I'll let it go after this response. If you wish to have the last word on the matter then respond away and I'll let it be

I think you fully understand my point about the X Plus and how it will cost a lot more than the Note 8/9. Why that is irrelevant in this discussion I do not understand. Especially given that your main justification for the Note and iPhone X comparison is the starting price. Well, the X Plus is going to cost more than the next Note, by a lot, so even that weak point is gone by this fall.

I totally disagree with the phones you are comparing against each other. It's all about price to you when clearly the phones you compare don't look at all like each other and there are other phones between the two companies that clearly do, hence making them the obvious true comparison.

 

[Electrojake]

meh... Topic Police, never around when ya' need em'

 

[bushman4]

Too much hate because the iPhoneX is different and requires abit of a learning curve
The notch is one of the main things people have too get used to and while most people get over it they would rather it not be there
But not to worry the 2018 models may surprise everyone in being more sophisticated hardware and software wise

 

[fs454]

Too much hate because the iPhoneX is different and requires abit of a learning curve
The notch is one of the main things people have too get used to and while most people get over it they would rather it not be there
But not to worry the 2018 models may surprise everyone in being more sophisticated hardware and software wise

The notch people are hilarious - use it for awhile and you realize it's not a big deal. The sharp cornered displays are arguably worse to look at in every single way. If you're a Plus user and consume tons and tons of media horizontally on your phone and prefer the 7/8 Plus real estate, that's probably the one use case where it makes sense to keep a current generation Plus model over the X. I think the majority are more than cool with the X.

 

[44267547]

The notch people are hilarious - use it for awhile and you realize it's not a big deal. The sharp cornered displays are arguably worse to look at in every single way. If you're a Plus user and consume tons and tons of media horizontally on your phone and prefer the 7/8 Plus real estate, that's probably the one use case where it makes sense to keep a current generation Plus model over the X. I think the majority are more than cool with the X.

The notch is a bigger issue on here or in discussions on a tech forum in general. In The outside world, I rarely hear anybody talking about the notch for those who do own it, let alone even making a controversy over something so minimal.

 

[QueenTyrone]

The notch is a bigger issue on here or in discussions on a tech forum in general. In The outside world, I rarely hear anybody talking about the notch for those who do own it, let alone even making a controversy over something so minimal.

In the outside world I've only seen 5 X's in the wild and they all complained on the price not the notch lol.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The notch is a bigger issue on here or in discussions on a tech forum in general. In The outside world, I rarely hear anybody talking about the notch for those who do own it, let alone even making a controversy over something so minimal.

I think a lot of that is because we are here to talk about iPhones whereas in general life it’s perhaps not a topic that would really come up. I can only really speak for myself but conversation about mobile phones is pretty rare in my circles. Nobody I know really gives a toss what smartphone you’ve got. When the X came out we had a few discussions at work or among friends and the general opinion was it was overpriced at £1k but I can honestly say it hasn’t come up since.

My friends husband had an X the other week and I was the only person who noticed it in a group of 27 of us. He let me have a decent explore of the device but he’s not really an iPhone enthusiast. He got it because it was new on release and traded it a few days after l saw him because he preferred his 7 Plus so swapped the X for the 8 Plus. I dread to think how little he got for the phone as he’d really scratched the thing up in less than two months of owning it. I didn’t ask him of his opinion on the notch.

 

[raqball]

The notch is a bigger issue on here or in discussions on a tech forum in general. In The outside world, I rarely hear anybody talking about the notch for those who do own it, let alone even making a controversy over something so minimal.

Yup!

I've had absolutely, wait let me count, zero people ask about the notch and if it bothers me in the real world. I have had people ask about the X but not a single person mentioned the notch.

The same can apply to the whole Intel or Qualcomm debate. Normal people (millions and millions) have no clue which is in their phone and they don't care. They happily use the phone without petty distractions or concerns..

 

[EdMan]

Yup!

I've had absolutely, wait let me count, zero people ask about the notch and if it bothers me in the real world. I have had people ask about the X but not a single person mentioned the notch.

The same can apply to the whole Intel or Qualcomm debate. Normal people (millions and millions) have no clue which is in their phone and they don't care. They happily use the phone without petty distractions or concerns..

So true. There's a whole world outside of this forum folks!!!!

 

[eyoungren]

But not to worry the 2018 models may surprise everyone in being more sophisticated hardware and software wise

I find it very difficult to wrap my head around "more sophisticated software".

You are aware the iPhone runs iOS right?

 

[sean000]

Yup!

I've had absolutely, wait let me count, zero people ask about the notch and if it bothers me in the real world. I have had people ask about the X but not a single person mentioned the notch.

The same can apply to the whole Intel or Qualcomm debate. Normal people (millions and millions) have no clue which is in their phone and they don't care. They happily use the phone without petty distractions or concerns..

I have yet to have anyone ask me about my X at all. I'm not sure anyone has noticed, which is fine by me. I do have it in a case, so to most people it's just another black rectangle in front of another person's face.