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C DM

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Exactly. iOS 9 performs the same for everyone (unless you have a faulty phone). Some people just don't notice dropped frames or don't care.
There's people perception and there's also a range of issues and how things behave. Things don't work the same in every phone. Some bugs will exist across all phones, in the same way, other things can certainly range in the degree to which they are present. Nothing new or strange about it.
 
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GlenK

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That's because people's perceptions are not all the same. The way I see something might not be the way someone else sees it.

To share my story, I had iOS 9 for a few days and at first it was laggy, but then after a couple of days it seemed like the lag was going away or very minimal. Then, I downgraded to 8.4.1 and I was BLOWN AWAY at how smooth and responsive it is.

So I guess, after having iOS 9 for a while, I just became accustom to how it runs and my perception of it started to change because I had forgotten how it used to be.

I agree with all of that. My problem is when someone else tells you what your experience is and how YOUR phone is working or not working. You just shared your own experience and I'm certainly not going to tell you it's different. But we obviously have posters here that will. Those are the ones to simply ignore. From now on I will!! Have a great day!!
 

C DM

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Those people should check their vision and how fast their nervous system is working, because its a real legitimate issue.
Well, in that case, we should say that some people should similarly check their levels of obsessiveness and pickiness as some issues aren't nearly as bad as they think they are, and some don't even exist for others. Does that help with anything?
 

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There's people perception and there's also a range of issues and how things behave. Things don't work the same in every phone. Some bugs will exist across all phones, in the same way, other things can certainly range in the degree to which they are present. Nothing new or strange about it.

Exactly!!!
 

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Well, in that case, we should say that some people should similarly check their levels of obsessiveness and pickiness as some issues aren't nearly as bad as they think they are, and some don't even exist for others. Does that help with anything?

We're being picky because we expected an UPGRADE and even Apple themselves touted performance gains from 9.0. It was supposed to be a slimmed down, optimized version of iOS and it turns out that it wasn't.
 

C DM

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We're being picky because we expected an UPGRADE and even Apple themselves touted performance gains from 9.0. It was supposed to be a slimmed down, optimized version of iOS and it turns out that it wasn't.
I understand what was expected, I'm just commenting on what the reality is. Expectations are great, and nothing wrong with them, as long as reality still gets accounted for.
 

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We're being picky because we expected an UPGRADE and even Apple themselves touted performance gains from 9.0. It was supposed to be a slimmed down, optimized version of iOS and it turns out that it wasn't.

Yes exactly. I think this is what is causing the problem, we were told it as you say it was going to be more optimized and would work great on older hardware, it runs like carp even on the iPhone 6 never mind something like an iPhone 5.
 
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I have, and at best the difference was minor in a few places, with it essentially being the same in most places. But thanks for commenting on what might be wrong with me while completely discounting the fact that reality isn't black or white. Seems like the problem isn't really on my end, if you catch the drift (although I have this feeling that you likely won't).

It doesn't help matters for the people with lag when people post that theirs is running fine unless they have a magic fix. Only way it'll get fixed in timely manner is if Apple takes notice and that usually means when the media outlets take notice. Media outlets do read what gets posted here and they do then start posting stories and it does then make it up to the larger news outlets.
 
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cynics

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Yes exactly. I think this is what is causing the problem, we were told it as you say it was going to be more optimized and would work great on older hardware, it runs like carp even on the iPhone 6 never mind something like an iPhone 5.

With the 4S it's terrible. I didn't expect much due to the age of the hardware but there is a perceivable delay and noticeable wait in everything you do. Videos on YouTube make this evident but dont do it justice.

IMO the 4S should never have been updated and kept the same 4 iOS's previous devices got. I don't think Apple would have faulted them for that.

To me it seems as the devices got exponentially more powerful that same lag got exponentially harder to detect but is still there. Kind of like an extreme case to illustrate a point.
 

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As I said in my own posts earlier, I notice it visually in places but feel it more than anything. iOS 9 is simply not as responsive as 8.4.1, especially on the iPad Air 2.

There are some people I know who can't see the difference between iOS 8 on an iPhone 4s and iOS 8 on an iPhone 6.

I'm used to a certain level of fluidity and responsiveness, and iOS 9 reduces both.

If you don't notice it, fantastic. For those of us who do, it's unacceptable.
+1 I wouldn't waste my time trying to explain my self to that guy.. You along with Reputable Product Reviewers and just about everyone else in this thread are noticing the sudden lag.
 
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C DM

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It doesn't help matters for the people with lag when people post that theirs is running fine unless they have a magic fix. Only way it'll get fixed in timely manner is if Apple takes notice and that usually means when the media outlets take notice. Media outlets do read what gets posted here and they do then start posting stories and it does then make it up to the larger news outlets.
It's a discussion of people's experiences. It doesn't help others to see a few people constantly complaining and nothing else making them think that since there are only complaints that everything is bad for everyone when that isn't reality. None of this is to put down those with issues or say that they don't have those issues, but it is to discuss it all and point out that there is a range of experiences.
 

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Yes exactly. I think this is what is causing the problem, we were told it as you say it was going to be more optimized and would work great on older hardware, it runs like carp even on the iPhone 6 never mind something like an iPhone 5.

And yet strangely, it doesn't run like "carp" on my 5s
Odd isn't

This is simple...

Step 1 - Person thinks iOS 9 runs like crap on their device (maybe it does, who cares)
Step 2 - Said person assumes and proclaims his/her experience is universal to everyone else
Step 3 - Said person claims anyone who disagrees is blind, stupid, doesn't care, needs to see an eye doctor, etc.

Reality is...
People are different
Personal experiences are different
WiFi connections are different
Cell providers are different
iPhone setups are different
Get the idea?

Nobody is capable of invalidating my personal experience
It is mine, not yours
 

C DM

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+1 I wouldn't waste my time trying to explain my self to that guy.. You along well known Apple Product Reviewers and just about everyone else in this thread are noticing lag.
Why? Because I and many others can accept that there are people with more noticeable lag than others, or that there are people who are much more sensitive to some things than others...but at the same time those with issues simply can't accept the basic reality that some might not have those same issues or at least not to the same degree.
 

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And yet strangely, it doesn't run like "carp" on my 5s
Odd isn't

This is simple...

Step 1 - Person thinks iOS 9 runs like crap on their device (maybe it does, who cares)
Step 2 - Said person assumes and proclaims his/her experience is universal to everyone else
Step 3 - Said person claims anyone who disagrees is blind, stupid, doesn't care, needs to see an eye doctor, etc.

Reality is...
People are different
Personal experiences are different
WiFi connections are different
Cell providers are different
iPhone setups are different
Get the idea?

Nobody is capable of invalidating my personal experience
It is mine, not yours

Nothing to do with set up, that's as much a myth as your eye test jibberish.

DFU restore, no apps installed, stock set up, iOS 8.4.2 is more responsive and the animations far smoother on iPhone 6 and iPad Air compared to iOS 9.

The thing about certain people not being able to perceive frames IS true. I keep using this example, but there is a girl in my work who cannot see the difference between the smoothness of iOS 8 on an iPhone 4s and iOS 8 on an iPhone 6.

You know there's a difference. I know there's a difference, yet she can't see it.

Its the exact same in this instance, nothing to do with a persons wifi setup (a quite preposterous example by the way) hindering the animations of iOS.
 

MacDawg

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Person: My phone is laggy

Me: That's too bad, mine is not

Person: Yes it is, you just can't see it

Me: Umm, no, I really don't think it is

Person: You're an idiot, of course it is

Me: I'm sorry your phone is having issues, but mine isn't

Person: Hahahahaha, you think it is all in my head

Me: Uh, no, I just don't think MY phone is having the issues your phone is

Person: It is, you just aren't as discerning and astute as I am

Me: Have you looked at my phone

Person: I don't have to

Me: Uh, ok...
 

Ashin

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Lol im so confused as to why that guy still posts in the thread and feels the need to say drop his oposing 5cents to everyone who is experiencing lag. If you arent expierecing the lag then dismiss yourself, simple!
This is a thread about iOS9 lag though...

It's equally annoying that the Apple Defence Force insists it's in our heads and we're not allowed to express our opinion.

Why not go make an iOS9 smoothness thread to discuss how smooth it is?
 

Ashin

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Person: My phone is laggy

Me: That's too bad, mine is not

Person: Yes it is, you just can't see it

Me: Umm, no, I really don't think it is

Person: You're an idiot, of course it is

Me: I'm sorry your phone is having issues, but mine isn't

Person: Hahahahaha, you think it is all in my head

Me: Uh, no, I just don't think MY phone is having the issues your phone is

Person: It is, you just aren't as discerning and astute as I am

Me: Have you looked at my phone

Person: I don't have to

Me: Uh, ok...

Here is one universal test for iOS9 lag (happens on EVERY device).

Pull up the Control Centre, and stretch it as high up as you can, then move it up and down. If you tell me that isn't low FPS then you're really just blind.

On iOS8 this does not occur.
 

I7guy

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Indeed. You're not able to perceive the subtle drops in frame rates or stutters in the animation cycle. You're lucky.
Or, you are perceiving/seeing things that aren't there. I"m not trying to be argumentative or pejorative, however, what I posted is fair given what you had posted.

Whatever apple did under the covers IOS 9 is overall smoother than IOS 8.
 

JaeMelo

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Why? Because I and many others can accept that there are people with more noticeable lag than others, or that there are people who are much more sensitive to some things than others...but at the same time those with issues simply can't accept the basic reality that some might not have those same issues or at least not to the same degree.
Ok so in that regard shouldn't you just dismiss yourself?!. You clearly aren't having an issue... Its like posting in a vehical recall thread where numerous people are expierecing a common issue... In that instance you are odd ball trying to tell everyone there isn't an issue because you aren't affected or that its somehow in there head; which, in that case your probably better off excusing yourself right?!
 
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Or, you are perceiving/seeing things that aren't there. I"m not trying to be argumentative or pejorative, however, what I posted is fair given what you had posted.

Whatever apple did under the covers IOS 9 is overall smoother than IOS 8.

Haha. Yep can't see it because it is under the covers.
 

FeliApple

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Here is one universal test for iOS9 lag (happens on EVERY device).

Pull up the Control Centre, and stretch it as high up as you can, then move it up and down. If you tell me that isn't low FPS then you're really just blind.

On iOS8 this does not occur.
I can confirm that this, on an iPhone 5s running iOS 8.3, does not happen. Any iOS 9 insight?
 

C DM

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This is a thread about iOS9 lag though...

It's equally annoying that the Apple Defence Force insists it's in our heads and we're not allowed to express our opinion.

Why not go make an iOS9 smoothness thread to discuss how smooth it is?
So we aren't here to discuss just to have an echo chamber of people posting the same complaint and that's it? It's a discussion about lag, seems that posting about having it is just as valid about posting about not having it.

The really annoying part is really that many of those who aren't having issues can accept that others can have them, while many those with issues can't accept that they can range and be different for others and ultimately end up pointlessly talking about the people rather than the issues.
 
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JaeMelo

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Or, you are perceiving/seeing things that aren't there. I'm not trying to be argumentative or pejorative, however, what I posted is fair given what you had posted.

Whatever apple did under the covers IOS 9 is overall smoother than IOS 8.
The sad part is you are probably describing yourself in your own post. You have absolutely no evidence to backup anything you say.


Skip to 3:11 If after that video you still cant see the differece across all the models of iPhones then boy am I praying for you. You along with that one other guy who thinks human biology is the source of this lag...
 
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