So, what are you going to do now?

[kaisdaddy]

What is telling about Apple's attitude toward the pro market is that when you go into an Apple store, most of the staff don't know anything about the Mac Pro and have never sold one. Jobs used to envision Apple stores catering to the pros but the only recent "pro" item you can find anymore is the iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil.

 

[Larry-K]

Apple have a habit, possibly even a policy, of never showing anyone doing 'work' in the keynotes. They are always making albums, newsletters or buying movie tickets. It's up to us to read between the lines I guess, but this time I saw nothing. Everything is about integrating/sharing with iOS devices and using iCloud accounts, neither of which is desirable at a company-owned workstation, at least not in our company.

You forgot booking expensive sushi lunches.

 

[pat500000]

What is telling about Apple's attitude toward the pro market is that when you go into an Apple store, most of the staff don't know anything about the Mac Pro and have never sold one. Jobs used to envision Apple stores catering to the pros but the only recent "pro" item you can find anymore is the iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil.

Funny that you mentioned that. I called apple care about Mac Pro for help...but they asked me what computer I was using. I told them Mac Pro...they said "oh okay..Mac book pro."
Apple did a serious work on these employees...aka hipsters.
[doublepost=1468866592][/doublepost]I'm both Pc and Mac. I use fcpx

 

[Larry-K]

Funny that you mentioned that. I called apple care about Mac Pro for help...but they asked me what computer I was using. I told them Mac Pro...they said "oh okay..Mac book pro."
Apple did a serious work on these employees...aka hipsters.
[doublepost=1468866592][/doublepost]I'm both Pc and Mac. I use fcpx

At least they weren't too busy playing Pokemon Go to take your call.

 

[pat500000]

At least they weren't too busy playing Pokemon Go to take your call.

Oh my.......

 

[Larry-K]

Oh my.......

That's an excellent George Takei impression.

 

[pat500000]

That's an excellent George Takei impression.

And if he had to encounter Apple staff who don't know what Mac Pro is.......

 

[Larry-K]

And if he had to encounter Apple staff who don't know what Mac Pro is.......

I think a more "Bones" response, like "It's Dead, Jim" would be appropriate.

 

[JoelTheSuperior]

Having seen threads on this topic becoming gradually more common, especially as Apple has shown just how little they care about their pro market, I thought I'd try installing Windows 10 on my MacBook.

I think I had been running it for less than half an hour before I rebooted back into OS X and deleted my bootcamp partition.

 

[ITguy2016]

Having seen threads on this topic becoming gradually more common, especially as Apple has shown just how little they care about their pro market, I thought I'd try installing Windows 10 on my MacBook.

I think I had been running it for less than half an hour before I rebooted back into OS X and deleted my bootcamp partition.

IOW you didn't bother to give it a fair chance.

 

[JoelTheSuperior]

IOW you didn't bother to give it a fair chance.

A valid point but I have ran it on and off on my desktop for a fair amount of time now and I know what to expect from Windows.

The trackpad works infinitely better on OS X for one thing, but also considering how you're forced to use the Nvidia GPU on Windows on the MacBooks with a dGPU the battery life is pretty poor which puts me off using it.

That and the software I use - genuinely there's a lot of software I use that lacks Windows versions / decent equivalents. As much as Apple's desktop offerings are poor right now I don't really see much reason for punishing myself on that basis.

I'll give Windows a proper chance again once my audio interface offers a Windows driver, but to be honest I like Logic Pro X too much. That and web development on Windows isn't much fun at all unfortunately (though the Windows subsystem for Linux should improve things on that front).

 

[ITguy2016]

A valid point but I have ran it on and off on my desktop for a fair amount of time now and I know what to expect from Windows.

Then what was the point of installing it on your MacBook and reporting your "experience" here?

The trackpad works infinitely better on OS X for one thing, but also considering how you're forced to use the Nvidia GPU on Windows on the MacBooks with a dGPU the battery life is pretty poor which puts me off using it.

IOW Apple doesn't support Windows as well as they do OS X. This is not an issue with Windows.

That and the software I use - genuinely there's a lot of software I use that lacks Windows versions / decent equivalents. As much as Apple's desktop offerings are poor right now I don't really see much reason for punishing myself on that basis.

Fair enough but this is not an issue with Windows.

I'll give Windows a proper chance again once my audio interface offers a Windows driver, but to be honest I like Logic Pro X too much. That and web development on Windows isn't much fun at all unfortunately (though the Windows subsystem for Linux should improve things on that front).

What do you mean you'll give Windows a proper chance again once...? In the first sentence you said you have run it on and off on your desktop and therefore know what to expect from it. This suggests you're not as familiar with it as your statement implies.

 

[kennyisalive]

I'm done with Macs.

I'll still keep my cMP 5,1 just in case I ever need to run a Mac App...

But I'm sick and tired of waiting for the ****tards at Apple to release sub-par mediocre hardware at ridiculous prices.

I'm going to be spending the next few weeks picking parts for my first PC in 10 years. What $3,000 will get me on a PC would cost me about 3x the price at the Apple store...

I've already had Bootcamp on my cMP so I'm no stranger to Windows. It'll be interesting to see how things pan out, but I already get a feeling that it'll be a better move for myself and my business.

In terms of iOS, I'll still keep my iPhone since I still think Apple makes the best mobile devices out there.
But with Macs, no more.

Go **** yourself, Apple.

 

[pat500000]

I'm done with Macs.

I'll still keep my cMP 5,1 just in case I ever need to run a Mac App...

But I'm sick and tired of waiting for the ****tards at Apple to release sub-par mediocre hardware at ridiculous prices.

I'm going to be spending the next few weeks picking parts for my first PC in 10 years. What $3,000 will get me on a PC would cost me about 3x the price at the Apple store...

I've already had Bootcamp on my cMP so I'm no stranger to Windows. It'll be interesting to see how things pan out, but I already get a feeling that it'll be a better move for myself and my business.

In terms of iOS, I'll still keep my iPhone since I still think Apple makes the best mobile devices out there.
But with Macs, no more.

Go **** yourself, Apple.

To be honest, 5,1 is great...of course you would upgrade and all that. I'm with you on this one In regards to window. Took me awhile to get used to window but I'm loving it. Hackintosh it and you a machine that punched Mac Pro in the groin.

 

[kennyisalive]

To be honest, 5,1 is great...of course you would upgrade and all that. I'm with you on this one In regards to window. Took me awhile to get used to window but I'm loving it. Hackintosh it and you a machine that punched Mac Pro in the groin.

Not interested in Hackintosh at all.

I'm just switching to Windows.

 

[zen]

On the other hand it's quite a refreshing experience buying parts and building your own. It feels a little empowering, versus my recent Apple purchases. I'm sorry Apple, but buying from you now feels like being hit around the face with my own hand. 'Why you hitting yourself, consumer, stop it, why you hitting yourself?' I don't know how many more times I'm going to let them do that.

This is basically the situation I'm in. I have a Mac mini with a Thunderbolt Display. My wife has a custom PC gaming rig.

She recently replaced her monitor with an Acer Predator - not 4k, just 2560 x 1440, but it blows my Thunderbolt Display away completely (Acer Predator is 144Hz, 1ms response, versus 60Hz, 12ms response on the Thunderbolt, plus the Acer has a load of stuff that ties in with nVidia graphics cards to improve performance).

Then I decided to replace my Apple bluetooth keyboard as I'd worn some keys out. I wanted mechanical, but there are about two Mac mechanical keyboards available. So I bought a Windows one (Ducky Shine 5).

And now I'm thinking... Why not just replace my Mini with a custom PC? Windows 10 runs smooth as butter and actually looks gorgeous on my wife's new monitor. One of her games was a little choppy on the display... so we're going to replace the graphics card with a new, higher spec one. It's like... Wow, that's easy. In a few more years, we can swap out the processor. Increase the RAM. Swap out the drives.

Sure, you've always been able to do this with PCs. But in the "old days", if you tried to build a PC and match the specs to a Mac, you'd end up paying the same or even more, because the argument was that Apple don't make low-end computers.

But Mac hardware is now so out of date, that you can out-spec a Mac with a custom build for half the damn price. I wouldn't have really considered it prior to Windows 10, either. As with many others in this thread, Windows has always made my skin crawl, and my experience (since Windows 3.1, running through every version to the present) has been that it's a buggy, difficult-to-configure mess.

But... not anymore.

So now I'm thinking... Apple for laptops (I still think their laptop design is unparalleled), but PC for desktops.

Edit: And the thing is, Tim Cook could TOTALLY turn it around. Apple could be the ultimate computer maker - imagine that mythical "xMac", fully configurable on the Apple Store. Chose your case, chose your graphics card. Fully upgradable and accessible. And Apple could absolutely, 100% enter into deals with AMD and nVidia to offer full graphics card support. Totally possible.
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What is telling about Apple's attitude toward the pro market is that when you go into an Apple store, most of the staff don't know anything about the Mac Pro and have never sold one. Jobs used to envision Apple stores catering to the pros but the only recent "pro" item you can find anymore is the iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil.

Yeah, now I think about, I'm not sure I have actually EVER seen a trashcan Mac Pro in person. Certainly never in an Apple Store.

 

[pastrychef]

The Thunderbolt display was introduced in 2011. There are quite a few better monitors now.

Remember, a few years down the line when you try to upgrade the CPU on your wife's computer, Windows is going to complain and there's a good possibility you're going to have to call Microsoft and speak to someone with a heavy indian accent to straighten out Windows Licensing issues. I went through this about two weeks ago and lost connection (or maybe I was hung up on, I don't know) several times and never fully understood the people on the other end of the phone.

 

[mw360]

The Thunderbolt display was introduced in 2011. There are quite a few better monitors now.

Remember, a few years down the line when you try to upgrade the CPU on your wife's computer, Windows is going to complain and there's a good possibility you're going to have to call Microsoft and speak to someone with a heavy indian accent to straighten out Windows Licensing issues. I went through this about two weeks ago and lost connection (or maybe I was hung up on, I don't know) several times and never fully understood the people on the other end of the phone.

Sounds like deactivating the Windows key before the upgrade should save some of that trouble. Nevertheless, if I could speak to someone with a heavy Indian accent to upgrade our Macs to something contemporary I'd happily give it a go. It would be a lot easier than trying to get a conversation out of Apple.

 

[pastrychef]

Sounds like deactivating the Windows key before the upgrade should save some of that trouble. Nevertheless, if I could speak to someone with a heavy Indian accent to upgrade our Macs to something contemporary I'd happily give it a go. It would be a lot easier than trying to get a conversation out of Apple.

855-201-0109. That's the Microsoft number that I called. Feel free to give them a call an let them know what features you'd like them to add in the next version Windows.

 

[ITguy2016]

Sounds like deactivating the Windows key before the upgrade should save some of that trouble. Nevertheless, if I could speak to someone with a heavy Indian accent to upgrade our Macs to something contemporary I'd happily give it a go. It would be a lot easier than trying to get a conversation out of Apple.

How do you deactivate a Windows key?

 

[AidenShaw]

How do you deactivate a Windows key?

Just grab a screwdriver and pry it off the keyboard.

 

[tuxon86]

The Thunderbolt display was introduced in 2011. There are quite a few better monitors now.

Remember, a few years down the line when you try to upgrade the CPU on your wife's computer, Windows is going to complain and there's a good possibility you're going to have to call Microsoft and speak to someone with a heavy indian accent to straighten out Windows Licensing issues. I went through this about two weeks ago and lost connection (or maybe I was hung up on, I don't know) several times and never fully understood the people on the other end of the phone.

Must be different where you lived, because the last time I did this, it was an automated system and not an actual person at the end of the line.

 

[ITguy2016]

Must be different where you lived, because the last time I did this, it was an automated system and not an actual person at the end of the line.

Since he mentioned upgrading the CPU I read that to be a significant upgrade (I don't believe Microsoft considers a CPU upgrade to by a typical upgrade) thus the need to speak with someone directly.

I've rarely had to reactivate Windows through typical upgrades (hard drives, video cards, PCIe cards, memory upgrades, etc). When I have it's been through the automated system...which is easy and doesn't take a lot of time. In fact I've moved a Windows 2008 Server license from system to system as I've upgraded hardware. Not once did I have to call Microsoft to activate it. This suggests there may be a time based component to the activation (this is a retail license, can't speak to OEM which is tied to a specific system).

 

[pastrychef]

Yup. It was a significant upgrade and I needed to speak with a human.

Yes, I also had a retail license.

 

[richardw]

I'm still using a 2009 Core 2 Duo MacBook. So I'm considering a 2010/12 Mac Pro sometime soon as it'll be significantly quicker. After that, if Apple doesn't release anything appealing, or if OS X continues it's decline then I may go elsewhere.

I've been busy with a new baby recently and only just 'upgraded' to El Capitan, then I saw the new Disk Utility...

Considering doing a downgrade.