Some days I feel like ditching Apple

[whodatrr]

But there are some moves that Apple is making, which make bolting more appealing. Their recent shift from home-sharing to iCloud, for example. Previously is was dead-easy to share photo libraries, actually maintaining one master on the system that we use as a family server. Now, which the shift from iPhoto to iCloud/Photos, Apple is making that much more difficult. they are essentially now saying that we ned to pay them for Cloud services, to share - that's where they're pushing us. Unlike MS who gives away 1TB per Office 365 family member (that's 5TB for my family), Apple wants $10 a month for each 1TB. Still, I do not want all my photos on the cloud! Now exploring switching our photo server to MS, because of this. And every incremental switch we implement makes a complete transition closer to reality.

Moves like this are frustrating. While I was once locked into the Apple ecosystem because it was flexible and easy, they're gradually taking the flexibility out of the mix, now insisting we shove more money their way for the that simplicity.

They're now starting to behave like Microsoft did, from the mid 90's to mid '00s.

You won't leave until you absolutely frustrated only then will you have the motivation to make the necessary changes. This is common in the Linux world people will change and it only lasts 6 or so months because the were frustrated with an aspect not the whole thing. I would never trade Apple for MS that's just jumping from the pot into the fire.

 

[MRU]

. This is common in the Linux world -

Yeah but Linux nerds are a strange bunch . J/k

 

[AustinIllini]

But there are some moves that Apple is making, which make bolting more appealing. Their recent shift from home-sharing to iCloud, for example. Previously is was dead-easy to share photo libraries, actually maintaining one master on the system that we use as a family server. Now, which the shift from iPhoto to iCloud/Photos, Apple is making that much more difficult. they are essentially now saying that we ned to pay them for Cloud services, to share - that's where they're pushing us. Unlike MS who gives away 1TB per Office 365 family member (that's 5TB for my family), Apple wants $10 a month for each 1TB. Still, I do not want all my photos on the cloud! Now exploring switching our photo server to MS, because of this. And every incremental switch we implement makes a complete transition closer to reality.

Moves like this are frustrating. While I was once locked into the Apple ecosystem because it was flexible and easy, they're gradually taking the flexibility out of the mix, now insisting we shove more money their way for the that simplicity.

They're now starting to behave like Microsoft did, from the mid 90's to mid '00s.

There's a really good discussion about this on a relatively recent vergecast.

Since Mountain Lion, Apple has increasingly injected Apple services into its ecosystem and their services have become increasingly invasive. Suddenly, I'm being told I need to buy storage on iCloud drive to complement all the other non-Apple services I use. Yeah, it's a dollar a month, but I don't want that.

All I'm saying is, I completely understand everyone's frustration. For now, it's MBP for me and an iPad because I'm not really in need for a tablet, but when it comes time for new devices, I'm not going to settle for Apple by default.

 

[spinedoc77]

I have an iPhone and an SP4. I haven't been arrested yet, but some shady looking people came by the house and knocked over all my garden gnomes the other day...

I'm calling the authorities IMMEDIATELY!!!! no, actually I have the same combination. I love/hate my iPhone, it does the basics very well and that's important, but it's zero fun. It's much more fun jailbroken, but it runs like crap and the entire jailbroken scene sucks and is fundamentally broken. Whenever I jump to an Android phone I get tired of that as well when they don't work right and you are stuck with bad warranty options. Honestly I would switch to Windows in a second if I could get Google Voice to work on it.

 

[Renzatic]

I'm calling the authorities IMMEDIATELY!!!! no, actually I have the same combination.

They came by. But since they didn't have a warrant, they couldn't prove anything.

 

[JackieInCo]

They came by. But since they didn't have a warrant, they couldn't prove anything.

NSA knows all.

 

[Renzatic]

NSA knows all.

No they don't. I have my network password protected.

Plus, anything they do know, they can't prove.

 

[Savor]

OP, you are either finally seeing the light like I did three years ago or might end up regretting leaving Apple for good. Up to you. You always have a choice.

Been Apple-free since 2013 with only iPhone 5 I used briefly last April which I eventually sold after a month. I like all platforms honestly but Apple products are the ones I prefer selling the most. Apple to enjoy briefly and then eventually sell. Android/Windows PC for longer-term practicality use. All of them have problems or certain limitations but I stick to Android/Windows for flexibility considering I hate using iTunes.

 

[kasakka]

I don't see why it has to be one or the other. Just cherry pick the best devices for your uses. I feel Apple's laptops and AIO computers are better than anything else out there but I don't want their desktop devices or phones at all. That's why my home desktop computer is a self built PC, my phone is a Oneplus One running Android, my work laptop is a Macbook Pro (with a 27" 1440p Apple display at the office) and my tablet is an iPad Air 2.

You do have to make some compromises if you're used to Apple's services as iTunes is a no go on Android. Personally I hate both iTunes and App Store. They're just terrible software on any platform if you ask me. I think you could probably replace iTunes with Spotify (which isn't exactly great software either but the service itself is quite good) for example for your music needs.

 

[j26]

I started with a 12" G4 Powerbook, which I still maintain was the best computer I've ever owned. I bought an iPod and it was meh, so I sold it. I built a hackintosh which worked admirably.
What drove me away from Apple was the Macbook I bought to replace my Powerbook. The build quality was rubbish and worth nowhere what it cost. Then with the way the pricing and the walled garden approach to the iPhone, I decided to call it a day and moved to Windows/Android.
I'm currently debating ditching Android altogether as I see Windows developing a coherent ecosystem, and muscling in on the one advantage Apple has left.

 

[AustinIllini]

I started with a 12" G4 Powerbook, which I still maintain was the best computer I've ever owned. I bought an iPod and it was meh, so I sold it. I built a hackintosh which worked admirably.
What drove me away from Apple was the Macbook I bought to replace my Powerbook. The build quality was rubbish and worth nowhere what it cost. Then with the way the pricing and the walled garden approach to the iPhone, I decided to call it a day and moved to Windows/Android.
I'm currently debating ditching Android altogether as I see Windows developing a coherent ecosystem, and muscling in on the one advantage Apple has left.

It's not just that Apple's products are a walled garden, but their products are so expensive.

With the state of Google and Windows, platform neutrality is a little annoying, but in Apple? It's almost impossible. I can see Apple trying, but the "glass of water in hell" approach is more like "an eyedropper in a fire"

 

[lowendlinux]

But there are some moves that Apple is making, which make bolting more appealing. Their recent shift from home-sharing to iCloud, for example. Previously is was dead-easy to share photo libraries, actually maintaining one master on the system that we use as a family server. Now, which the shift from iPhoto to iCloud/Photos, Apple is making that much more difficult. they are essentially now saying that we ned to pay them for Cloud services, to share - that's where they're pushing us. Unlike MS who gives away 1TB per Office 365 family member (that's 5TB for my family), Apple wants $10 a month for each 1TB. Still, I do not want all my photos on the cloud! Now exploring switching our photo server to MS, because of this. And every incremental switch we implement makes a complete transition closer to reality.

Moves like this are frustrating. While I was once locked into the Apple ecosystem because it was flexible and easy, they're gradually taking the flexibility out of the mix, now insisting we shove more money their way for the that simplicity.

They're now starting to behave like Microsoft did, from the mid 90's to mid '00s.

None of those things are a "nope I'm done I'm not going back there ever again" moves at least to me. My break point was the PowerPC to Intel switch If Apple wasn't going to use PowerPC then they just became another box and that box was expensive. My wife though chigas along just fine and just rolls her eyes when I say anything Linux.

Yeah but Linux nerds are a strange bunch . J/k

We are very much and we self-divide into so many camp and lob poo at each other at every available opportunity but then if an outsider comes in and lobs some poo we stick together it's an interesting dynamic.

 

[Renzatic]

We are very much and we self-divide into so many camp and lob poo at each other at every available opportunity but then if an outsider comes in and lobs some poo we stick together it's an interesting dynamic.

Aren't you one of those weirdo freaks who uses XFCE?

 

[lowendlinux]

Aren't you one of those weirdo freaks who use XFCE?

No I use Mate and those XFCE freaks need to trim their beard and come into the '00 and use a real DE

 

[Renzatic]

No I use Mate...

Oh god! That's even worse! :O

 

[lowendlinux]

Oh god! That's even worse! :O

I'll have you know I have no beard and am very comfortable living in 2006

 

[Renzatic]

I'll have you know I have no beard and am very comfortable living in 2006

I can grow a helluva 5 o'clock shadow, but once it gets to proper beard status, it starts looking a little scraggly.

For this reason, I tend to use Gnome more often than not while Linuxing.

 

[lowendlinux]

I can grow a helluva 5 o'clock shadow, but once it gets to proper beard status, it starts looking a little scraggly.

For this reason, I tend to use Gnome more often than not while Linuxing.

you only use Gnome because you a Red Hat Lennart lover and a newb

 

[Renzatic]

you only use Gnome because you a Red Hat Lennart lover and a newb

You watch your mouth...

 

[The Game 161]

I have been an Apple girl for many years now and own many Apple products (see sig) but lately I feel like I want to ditch Apple for good. I have had nothing but problems since I upgraded my rMBP to El Captain. I have a SP 3 and all programs run like a dream. I also enjoy using my S6 better than my iPhone I just miss the "sync ability" and ease in getting music onto it like the iPhone since I mainly use iTunes.

Funny you say that this keychain crap has been driving me nuts on my MacBook Pro since upgrading

My only negative with my apple devices

 

[Robisan]

The lack of open connectivity is what drives me nuts about iOS. No USB access. No file system access. Unnecessary reliance on iTunes. Etc.

Small example - wife wanted me to make a ringtone from an mp3 for her iPhone. On Android this is quite simple - place mp3 in Dropbox from any PC, copy it to phone's ringtones folder using Astro (or any) file manager, done. For her iPhone it required two filetype conversions from the mp3. Then I had to move the final file and myself to another PC (the one that syncs with her iPhone) so that iTunes (and only iTunes) can put the ringtone on the phone. It's niggling little BS like this, just so Apple can maintain its walled prison, that keeps me away from iPhones and iOS.

 

[kasakka]

The lack of open connectivity is what drives me nuts about iOS. No USB access. No file system access. Unnecessary reliance on iTunes. Etc.

Small example - wife wanted me to make a ringtone from an mp3 for her iPhone. On Android this is quite simple - place mp3 in Dropbox from any PC, copy it to phone's ringtones folder using Astro (or any) file manager, done. For her iPhone it required two filetype conversions from the mp3. Then I had to move the final file and myself to another PC (the one that syncs with her iPhone) so that iTunes (and only iTunes) can put the ringtone on the phone. It's niggling little BS like this, just so Apple can maintain its walled prison, that keeps me away from iPhones and iOS.

This is one of my beefs with iOS. With no file system available to the user it's hard to do things like download PDF fiels for offline use when abroad (and possibly reliant on WiFi). I really hope with the iPad Pro out they'll have to incorporate a file manager etc for iOS 10.

 

[lowendlinux]

I can grow a helluva 5 o'clock shadow, but once it gets to proper beard status, it starts looking a little scraggly.

For this reason, I tend to use Gnome more often than not while Linuxing.

I went all gnomey on my desktop because of you 3.18 seems actually OK other than it's it's a big fat RAM hog

 

[MRU]

If I'm using Linux I would tend to use Linux Mint myself. I actually think current 17.2 cinnamon version is very good, but that ever present issue of Linux persists in that you have to still learn some Linux command / terminal prompts at some point. Has there ever been a version of Linux where having to hit shell has never had to happen ?

 

[lowendlinux]

If I'm using Linux I would tend to use Linux Mint myself. I actually think current 17.2 cinnamon version is very good, but that ever present issue of Linux persists in that you have to still learn some Linux command / terminal prompts at some point. Has there ever been a version of Linux where having to hit shell has never had to happen ?

I'd argue that if you need to hit the terminal with LM then you're "holding it wrong". TBH I've not used a "normal" distro really ever. When I left the Mac I tried Ubuntu but to make stuff work I had to compile stuff so I just switched to Gentoo, eventually as the more modern distros came about I did switch. I'm not overly religious other than I think folks ought to spend a year or so in Linux just for the education benefit but in the end you need to use what's best for you, I've made Linux work, I've read countless books on the OS, I buy into the FOSS philosophy, and I really feel trapped when I jump onto Mac's and Windows boxes. In the same respect, I also acknowledge that it's not nor should it be for everyone. I posted this on /r/linuxmasterrace (which is a linux circle jerk) in regards to Windows 10 deleting SW that the user installed and sorta sums up my general feelings on the matter:

This is what happens when you don't own the SW on your computer *shrug*

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmaste...is_automatically_uninstalling_users/?sort=new

You can't eat philosophy but when you can use FOSS please do because it really does matter, if not for us for our kids.