Some days I feel like ditching Apple

[I7guy]

There's no such thing as excess profit. What does exist in the world of Apple is excessive use of hype, and the public is noticing. The growing awareness of mainstream buyers and the resulting conversations they're having about Apple is very revealing. In the past they didn't care or notice, now they do. It's just beginning to show, but it's a growing anti-Apple sentiment. Sooner or later Apple will feel the pushback.

You've been saying the same thing for a year as apple as been raking in the bucks, quarter after quarter. After a year of saying the same thing day in and day out you get to be right, sales went down.

I personally think those days are over, as evidenced by BH buying into apple; which is what is revealing. Apple is now going to settle into a huge steady profit stream remaining the most valuable company in the world. Those who don't like apples direction are going to get out of their product line.
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Exactly......only us geeks on tech forums care what under the hood. Try talking tech specs to the average consumer and their eyes gloss over...they have no idea what we are talking about. They go by appearance first then performance. Then by performance....... the questions they ask are is it fast? Will the battery last all day? Does the camera take good pictures? What colors do you have?
Apple is going to have a down year profits wise....they have even said so themselves. The iphone 7 and the rumors surrounding it seems more famous for what it is removing (headphone jack port) than what it will bring to the table. Apple is obsessed with making things thinner.......it seems to be form over function imho.....
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So you agree then that people don't care about what profits a company makes when buying a phone?


Because you seem to bring up profits all the time in tech discussions. So are you reversing your stance now? Contradict yourself much? Because myself and @epicrayban has called you out on this numerous times.

And I also agree people don't care about marketshare. (But I care about revenue and profits; I just don't care how many dollars apple makes from each of my purchases). But for those who care about marketshare or bring up marketshare in discussion, profits is just as important and should be discussed as well. Profits are very useful to counter some of the hyperbolic statements mad regularly on this forum.

 

[grahamperrin]

… lately I feel like I want to ditch Apple …

I abandoned iOS a few months ago. Android on a YotaPhone 2 pleases me. https://play.google.com/store does far more for me than the App Store.

Abandoning OS X Mavericks is less easy. For me it's a gradual process. If enhancement https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=26175 is made to the Mozilla Archive Format extension for Firefox, then I'll be almost ready to reuse my data without OS X.

 

[jamezr]

You've been saying the same thing for a year as apple as been raking in the bucks, quarter after quarter. After a year of saying the same thing day in and day out you get to be right, sales went down.

I personally think those days are over, as evidenced by BH buying into apple; which is what is revealing. Apple is now going to settle into a huge steady profit stream remaining the most valuable company in the world. Those who don't like apples direction are going to get out of their product line.
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And I also agree people don't care about marketshare. (But I care about revenue and profits; I just don't care how many dollars apple makes from each of my purchases). But for those who care about marketshare or bring up marketshare in discussion, profits is just as important and should be discussed as well. Profits are very useful to counter some of the hyperbolic statements mad regularly on this forum.

all your hyperbole aside.....
Your statements below

Nor is the cost of a new phone a concern or how much any one company rakes in when a consumer buys their products.

Only here, do some people seem to care about "excess" profits.

totally agree...when the average consumer buys a phone they don't care what the tech specs are. They care about appearance and design first.

Then there is no reason to bring up how much a company makes when talking about technical specs or design......people don't care. It doesn't factor into to their buying decisions! Glad we could agree.

 

[I7guy]

all your hyperbole aside.....
Your statements below



totally agree...when the average consumer buys a phone they don't care what the tech specs are. They care about appearance and design first.

Then there is no reason to bring up how much a company makes when talking about technical specs or design......people don't care. It doesn't factor into to their buying decisions! Glad we could agree.

I think we partially agree. People also want to know what the difference is from the model they purchased, which is why I used my SO as an example of a savvy user but not a tech geek.

Car buyer: "Porsche hit it out of bounds with the design this new model"
Sales: "Yes sir"
Car buyer: "What are my options"?
Sales: "No options sir. Standard AM radio, no power steering, no power brakes, manual roll-up windows, no A/C, cloth seats"
Car buyer: "Great, I'll take one"

Hyperbolic, but that is what in essence is being said here and I disagree, it's like that. People know when they need/want a new phone and what they are purchasing even though they may not care about the number of cores.

 

[epicrayban]

Exactly......only us geeks on tech forums care what under the hood. Try talking tech specs to the average consumer and their eyes gloss over...they have no idea what we are talking about. They go by appearance first then performance. Then by performance....... the questions they ask are is it fast? Will the battery last all day? Does the camera take good pictures? What colors do you have?
Apple is going to have a down year profits wise....they have even said so themselves. The iphone 7 and the rumors surrounding it seems more famous for what it is removing (headphone jack port) than what it will bring to the table. Apple is obsessed with making things thinner.......it seems to be form over function imho.....
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So you agree then that people don't care about what profits a company makes when buying a phone?


Because you seem to bring up profits all the time in tech discussions. So are you reversing your stance now? Contradict yourself much? Because myself and @epicrayban has called you out on this numerous times.

It's a lost cause with that guy. It's obvious he isn't actually interested in having a conversation. A conversation is a two way street. Not a single answer from him yet about any of the puzzling positions he takes.

I have a feeling if people posted about the rumored iPhone 7 design and praised it, he'd have zero problems with nobody mentioning the "innards" of the phone. But negative impressions of the leak? Then we're all crazy for having any impressions about a rumor! At a rumor based website!

Wild double standards. Par the course. Just let him be.

 

[gotluck]

And I also agree people don't care about marketshare. (But I care about revenue and profits; I just don't care how many dollars apple makes from each of my purchases). But for those who care about marketshare or bring up marketshare in discussion, profits is just as important and should be discussed as well. Profits are very useful to counter some of the hyperbolic statements mad regularly on this forum.

When you buy other products do you really check and make sure the company is making good money off you before buying? I don't think anyone shops like that. People just want to know the company will be around to support the warranty.

Your perspective is always from a shareholder point of view. Market share should make a consumer feel just as comfortable.i can honestly say I've never looked at a company's financials before buying a consumer product.

 

[jamezr]

I think we partially agree. People also want to know what the difference is from the model they purchased, which is why I used my SO as an example of a savvy user but not a tech geek.

Phone buyer: "Apple hit it out of bounds with the design this new model"
Sales: "Yes sir"
Phone buyer: "What are my options"?
Sales: "No options sir. Standard AM radio, no power steering, no power brakes, manual roll-up windows, no A/C, cloth seats. But it is made by Apple"
Phone buyer: "Great, I'll take one"

There i fixed that for ya......

 

[epicrayban]

When you buy other products do you really check and make sure the company is making good money off you before buying? I don't think anyone shops like that. People just want to know the company will be around to support the warranty.

Your perspective is always from a shareholder point of view. Market share should make a consumer feel just as comfortable.i can honestly say I've never looked at a company's financials before buying a consumer product.

Purchasing in such a way, I would argue, is even sillier than purchasing based on design alone!

 

[I7guy]

It's a lost cause with that guy. It's obvious he isn't actually interested in having a conversation. A conversation is a two way street. Not a single answer from him yet about any of the puzzling positions he takes.

I have a feeling if people posted about the rumored iPhone 7 design and praised it, he'd have zero problems with nobody mentioning the "innards" of the phone. But negative impressions of the leak? Then we're all crazy for having any impressions about a rumor! At a rumor based website!

Wild double standards. Par the course. Just let him be.

True that about conversations and double standards and since is this macrumors we can "rumor" on how posters might react as well. Right?
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When you buy other products do you really check and make sure the company is making good money off you before buying? I don't think anyone shops like that. People just want to know the company will be around to support the warranty.

Your perspective is always from a shareholder point of view. Market share should make a consumer feel just as comfortable.i can honestly say I've never looked at a company's financials before buying a consumer product.

Tough to take the career out the person sometimes.

 

[epicrayban]

Iphone 7 and iphone 7 plus may both get OIS, LG and Sony could share camera module orders


http://www.phonearena.com/news/iPho...Sony-could-share-camera-module-orders_id81361

If true, nice. OIS on both models. That would help soften the potential loss of the dual camera in the standard model. I'm coming to terms with that eventuality.

 

[C DM]

Well said!

I must say that even the average buyers are beginning to see through Apple's profit taking stance. Rather than commit to innovation and fresh new features, the same recycled iPhone has sent a message about Apple's obsession with its own gain.

Innovation and new features like yet another messaging app or video chat app?

 

[epicrayban]

Innovation and new features like yet another messaging app or video chat app?

Who is calling Allo and Duo innovative???

EDIT: @C DM So, just you...

 

[epicrayban]

Is this our first proper look at the Apple iPhone 7?

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-our-first-proper-look-at-the-Apple-iPhone-7_id81395

 

[jamezr]

Is this our first proper look at the Apple iPhone 7?

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-our-first-proper-look-at-the-Apple-iPhone-7_id81395

pretty much like the current generation except for the bullet hole next to the camera......

 

[epicrayban]

pretty much like the current generation except for the bullet hole next to the camera......

Yeah, looks like a shell.

 

[Wildo6882]

pretty much like the current generation except for the bullet hole next to the camera......

Yeah, looks like a shell.

Not impressed if that's what Apple is putting out. I'm obviously taking it with a grain of salt, but with each passing rumor I'm getting closer and closer to jumping back to Android. At least there's some excitement with that platform.

 

[Casfin]

Not impressed if that's what Apple is putting out. I'm obviously taking it with a grain of salt, but with each passing rumor I'm getting closer and closer to jumping back to Android. At least there's some excitement with that platform.

My thoughts exactly. Apple has just gotten lazy and greedy.

 

[Wildo6882]

My thoughts exactly. Apple has just gotten lazy and greedy.

Yeah, I basically have those same feelings towards Apple now, too. As happy as I have been with my 6s Plus since December, I keep looking at how quickly Android and Google are moving forward, trying new things, etc. and I get jealous and lose some of my love for Apple. This OS just seems so stale, and to basically use the same style phone for the third straight year just seems lazy to me. I feel like Apple knows that they don't have to do much to get people to upgrade, so they are doing exactly that. I hope I'm wrong. But the new crop of Android devices, along with the ability for Chromebooks to be able to use Android apps in the near future is really making me question if I want to stick it out with Apple for the long haul anymore.

 

[epicrayban]

Conflicting Supplier Report Now Says iPhone 7 Orders Higher Than Expected
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/23/apple-suppliers-iphone-7-target-higher/

Directly contradicting a previous claim of projected weak demand for the iPhone 7, Apple has reportedly asked its Asian suppliers to prepare for the highest iPhone production target in "about two years", according to Barron's Asia.

Rumors suggest the iPhone 7 could retain a 6s-like design with a faster TSMC-built A10 chip, slightly larger battery, waterproofing and dustproofing, repositioned antenna bands,no headphone jack, faster Intel LTE chips, and more. Meanwhile, the larger iPhone 7 Plus (or Pro) could have a Smart Connector, dual-lens camera, and 3GB of RAM.

Other rumors surrounding the next-generation smartphones have included a flush camera, touch-sensitive home button, stereo speakers, and wireless charging, but it remains possible that Apple dropped some of those features or chose to include them on the OLED-based iPhone with glass casing rumored to launch in 2017.



Still too early to bet against Apple. They could go on to have another record-breaking iPhone release, even if the modest-update rumors all prove true. It's why I said what I said here:

And who knows. Maybe it will go on to be another record-breaking iPhone release. If the rumors turn out all true and Apple releases a modestly updated iPhone 7, it could still go on to sell extremely well because of the Apple brand. Again, no other manufacturer gets away with what Apple gets away with.

This is why I argue that we cannot judge the merits of the actual smartphone on financial figures. They are non-sequiturs; it doesn't logically follow that whichever company has the highest valuation, or has the most marketshare, or brings in the most profit is the company that has the best smartphone.

Thinking such ways is folly. And invoking it in conversations that have nothing to do with finances and everything to do with the actual technology is even dumber.

 

[Wildo6882]

Still too early to bet against Apple. They could go on to have another record-breaking iPhone release, even if the modest-update rumors all prove true.

I agree. That's why I said what I said earlier, how they know people will upgrade regardless of how advanced the next iteration is. I'm not betting against them. I'm sure it'll be a solid phone. I'm just hoping they really hit a homerun with something we haven't seen yet. But the rumors so far don't leave me feeling too good about that.

That being said, if I don't move back to Android, I know I'll be getting one - because that's how I roll - I'm a junky.

 

[Zaft]

When it really comes down to it IOS is still better then android for the average joe/mary in my opinion.
There is only ONE messaging app, there is only ONE video player, there is only ONE web browser.

Androids issue is that there are multiple applications installed by default that do the same thing. All that does is cause confusion

That being said does apple need to step it up? 100% they do but all I see are iPhones outside and most of my family and friends are on IOS and have no issues at all.

Apple had a "bad" quarter apparently, the sky is not falling...

 

[grahamperrin]

Androids issue is that there are multiple applications installed by default that do the same thing.

I didn't notice that when I began using it (last year). Maybe unnoticed because I didn't rush to explore the whole thing. I dabbled.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Conflicting Supplier Report Now Says iPhone 7 Orders Higher Than Expected
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/23/apple-suppliers-iphone-7-target-higher/

Directly contradicting a previous claim of projected weak demand for the iPhone 7, Apple has reportedly asked its Asian suppliers to prepare for the highest iPhone production target in "about two years", according to Barron's Asia.

Rumors suggest the iPhone 7 could retain a 6s-like design with a faster TSMC-built A10 chip, slightly larger battery, waterproofing and dustproofing, repositioned antenna bands,no headphone jack, faster Intel LTE chips, and more. Meanwhile, the larger iPhone 7 Plus (or Pro) could have a Smart Connector, dual-lens camera, and 3GB of RAM.

Other rumors surrounding the next-generation smartphones have included a flush camera, touch-sensitive home button, stereo speakers, and wireless charging, but it remains possible that Apple dropped some of those features or chose to include them on the OLED-based iPhone with glass casing rumored to launch in 2017.



Still too early to bet against Apple. They could go on to have another record-breaking iPhone release, even if the modest-update rumors all prove true. It's why I said what I said here:

Indeed I don't think we can ever bet against Apple and even with a fall in profit last quarter I think the next iPhone will sell as well as ever to be honest. I'm not planning on upgrading but I know a lot of people who are on the 2 year cycle and due for an upgrade in September. The only research they do is to find out when the next iPhone is released, what it offers is an after thought and largely irrelevant.

I still think the plain back on the leaks so far is quite boring. I would rather see it split up into panels like previous releases, but appreciate it has to look different. I liked the antenna lines although a few here didn't. Not thrilled with what I have seen though, but then again the aesthetics are always secondary in my choices as a good looking phone has to be nice to use first and foremost.

 

[epicrayban]

When it really comes down to it IOS is still better then android for the average joe/mary in my opinion.
There is only ONE messaging app, there is only ONE video player, there is only ONE web browser.

Androids issue is that there are multiple applications installed by default that do the same thing. All that does is cause confusion

That being said does apple need to step it up? 100% they do but all I see are iPhones outside and most of my family and friends are on IOS and have no issues at all.

Apple had a "bad" quarter apparently, the sky is not falling...

Regarding the bold: I agree.

It's only being used (by me, at least) to show how silly and foolish it is to judge the merits of the actual technology by looking at only financial figures. This applies whether the financial figures are good or bad; it doesn't necessarily matter. They are non-sequiturs. It doesn't logically follow that whichever company has the highest valuation, or has the most marketshare, or brings in the most profit is the company that has the best smartphone. In reality, that's hardly the case.



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Indeed I don't think we can ever bet against Apple and even with a fall in profit last quarter I think the next iPhone will sell as well as ever to be honest. I'm not planning on upgrading but I know a lot of people who are on the 2 year cycle and due for an upgrade in September. The only research they do is to find out when the next iPhone is released, what it offers is an after thought and largely irrelevant.

I still think the plain back on the leaks so far is quite boring. I would rather see it split up into panels like previous releases, but appreciate it has to look different. I liked the antenna lines although a few here didn't. Not thrilled with what I have seen though, but then again the aesthetics are always secondary in my choices as a good looking phone has to be nice to use first and foremost.

I hope we eventually get something like this, be it in 2016 or in 2017. This is my favorite render so far of a potential future iPhone:

[doublepost=1464031907][/doublepost]iPhone 7 with four speakers maybe? This rumor looks particularly sketchy to me... but interesting.

Potential iPhone 7 leak shows frame packed with four speakers, new flash alignment
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Pote...ith-four-speakers-new-flash-alignment_id81413

 

[tbayrgs]

iPhone 7 with four speakers maybe? This rumor looks particularly sketchy to me... but interesting.

Potential iPhone 7 leak shows frame packed with four speakers, new flash alignment
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Pote...ith-four-speakers-new-flash-alignment_id81413

Wouldn't surprise me since they implemented the same thing on both iPad Pro models. Not sure I see as much benefit on a smaller device but wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.