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The first image is clearly for a new message but all of those options are available when replying or forwarding as well. And no, you're not limited to a single attachment, or just photos--any file type will work. The second screenshot is the compatible locations that I have installed on my iPhone from which I can attach these files. And considering I'm sure you'll come back with 'what if I don't have access to the internet and my cloud services,' Documents is a local file storage application. Goodreader would also work.

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Good enough explanation for you?

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Google grief iOS need a file manager.

Anyway can you not email things on its from within the apps your using to create them anyway?
 

tbayrgs

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Is it for Iphones only since I don't see these options on my Ipad 4 when I open a new message in Mail? BTW, mine still is 8.1.2. When I want to send a photo from my Ipad, I have to open Photo app then attach it to Mail.

Need iOS 9, I believe.
 

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i drop apple not long a go and got me a new samsung S6 smart phone


all so got me a tablet from verizon
 

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I have been an Apple girl for many years now and own many Apple products (see sig) but lately I feel like I want to ditch Apple for good. I have had nothing but problems since I upgraded my rMBP to El Captain. I have a SP 3 and all programs run like a dream. I also enjoy using my S6 better than my iPhone I just miss the "sync ability" and ease in getting music onto it like the iPhone since I mainly use iTunes.

Me too, I went to a moto x pure and an nvidia shield tablet. It's not just El Crapitan, but yosemite was really bad for most of the time. I won't be getting rid of my mac any time soon, but with the direction apple is going my next one in a few years will not be a mac. Everyone else here has windows 10, I am the "fixer" but with 10 I am like the old maytag repairman.

Anyway the direction apple is going with more is less, quality about like everything else and soldered in stuff I see no point to go further down that rabbit hole.

Google grief iOS need a file manager.

Anyway can you not email things on its from within the apps your using to create them anyway?

Yes! My main reason for moving from the ipad mini to the nvidia shield. With unstable internet here in mexico it's a pita. My niece got a cheap windows tablet in grade school, from the gov, and she was having problems. Looking at using word with a file system pushed me as I have office 365 and I rarely used it on the ipad because of the lack of a file system. HUGE difference. I guess when you live in the 1st world and have blazing internet it's less of a problem.
 

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I've purchased a 13" QHD Dell XPS. Hopefully will arrive in a few weeks. Going to sell my Gold Macbook and probably iPad as well. Have sold my Apple watch and am using a Fitbit Surge. Works great.
 

epicrayban

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Going to piggyback off this thread...

For the past few weeks, I've been using an iPhone 5S for work and iOS 9 is still pretty abysmal, in my opinion.

I can't stress how much I'm bothered by a lack of consistent back button or at least a consistent back-experience. I'm still seeing a lot of upper-left, upper-right, center of screen, etc. type of experience to go back, and it's dreadful. Horribly inconsistent where you have to look for and be aware of the way to navigate back. It slows down the overall experience of navigating through iOS. We all know Apple will never (ie. highly unlikely) have a dedicated back button, and I think that's a real shame. Especially because there is clearly bezel space for it.

Also, it's been a while since I've used iOS (at least half a year) and I've already forgotten how rigid iOS is. The grid is just so goddamn boring. I'll take just the apps I want and widgets on the home screen any day. BTW, widgets in the pull down, sounds organized in theory, but I find it more disorganized. I rather scroll left/right through paginated home screens where there are clear breaks as to where my widgets are than a forever up/down scrolling through a "list" of widgets. Speaking of the pull-down, it's a shame we have to scroll left/right to see widgets or notifications. If I want to see my widgets but I left it on the Notification side, I have to scroll left first; if I want to see my notifications but left it on my Widgets side, I have to scroll right. Extra steps because iOS can't be more dynamic than a grid of apps.

Lastly, I still hate the Settings menu. It's still, in my opinion, disorganized and difficult to find things. Maybe I'm just not used to it, but I much prefer the way TouchWiz does it. It's color-coded and there are options to put your most accessed settings at the top. Convenient. Also, I feel things are disconnected. For example, Control Center... why can't I go directly into say WiFi settings if I want to? Even if it's not as intuitive as Android where you can long-press the WiFi button to go directly into WiFi settings, why not a Settings shortcut button somewhere? At least that. And I'll continue pointing out the one thing I've always pointed out ever since the inception of Control Center; why not allow us to choose what quick settings we want? I don't need AirDrop there. I don't need a calculator there. Nor a timer there. I'd love an icon that'll take me to the full Settings menu though.

Other tidbits...

Safari is still a bit of a drag to use compared to Chrome. For example, switching between tabs requires 2-3 steps. Chrome is just one swipe left or one swipe right if the tab you want is next. Also, I know this is preference, but I still hate the way Safari scrolls. Tap to go back to the top, always a lovely feature.

iOS 9 is buttery smooth. Fingerprint sensor also fast. Faster than S6 for sure and this is a 5S.

Who says iOS doesn't come with bloat? I have a folder of "Extras" full of pages of Apple related bloat I don't want nor plan to use.

Mail experience is still pretty good, though I definitely have bones to pick. Nothing worth getting into.

The keyboard finally shows upper case lettering! Miracle.

Still have yet to dive into Apple Maps or the like, but I do hope it's better than I last remembered.


There's probably more I could say but I'll leave it at that. Those that know me will not find anything unfamiliar here. In short, iOS still has some ways to go in my opinion before it can live up to the world's most advanced mobile operating system. It still just doesn't feel very advanced, sadly.


EDIT: I still have to update the OS via WiFi only? Wut! C'mon.
 
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I can't stress how much I'm bothered by a lack of consistent back button or at least a consistent back-experience. I'm still seeing a lot of upper-left, upper-right, center of screen, etc. type of experience to go back, and it's dreadful. Horribly inconsistent where you have to look for and be aware of the way to navigate back. It slows down the overall experience of navigating through iOS. We all know Apple will never (ie. highly unlikely) have a dedicated back button, and I think that's a real shame. Especially because there is clearly bezel space for it.

I agree with you, with android the os is/was part of the experience. With my iphone I rarely used it for anything but making calls, waste of money. I agree with you on boring and i started building computers about 30 years ago, I don't like having everything done for me.

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epicrayban

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I agree with you, with android the os is/was part of the experience. With my iphone I rarely used it for anything but making calls, waste of money. I agree with you on boring and i started building computers about 30 years ago, I don't like having everything done for me.

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iOS is just really basic. That's the only way to describe it. It's really good at being basic, though, I guess.
 

tbayrgs

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Going to piggyback off this thread...

For the past few weeks, I've been using an iPhone 5S for work and iOS 9 is still pretty abysmal, in my opinion.

We've had discussions about similar issues in the past so happy to offer some suggestions/counter points where they might be applicable. I'll also reiterate here that I'm not necessarily disagreeing with many of your points or claiming an iOS solution is better but rather just offering some additional insight from someone who's been using iOS consistently for quite a while now.

I can't stress how much I'm bothered by a lack of consistent back button or at least a consistent back-experience. I'm still seeing a lot of upper-left, upper-right, center of screen, etc. type of experience to go back, and it's dreadful. Horribly inconsistent where you have to look for and be aware of the way to navigate back. It slows down the overall experience of navigating through iOS. We all know Apple will never (ie. highly unlikely) have a dedicated back button, and I think that's a real shame. Especially because there is clearly bezel space for it.

There really isn't an argument to be made here--if you prefer the back button, you won't find the exact same functionality on iOS. I know you're aware of the swipe from the left edge to go back (and yes that it's not universally applied) but I find a significant portion of my apps do utilize it, so my only advice is try it first (all apps will likely have a secondary button as well). Using a 5S you are also missing out on an additional feature that's available on the 6s/6s+, the deep press to switch apps. So, if you swipe from the left, if an app supports it, will take you to your last page. If you press slightly harder, it will pull up the stacks of apps in the app switch, with the last app you utilized on top. Also, if you access another app from a link, there will be the option to return to the app in the top left corner (yes, agree that it's not an ideal location in regards to reachability). Needless to say, I can navigate quite well without have to hit any 'back' buttons in most cases.

Also, it's been a while since I've used iOS (at least half a year) and I've already forgotten how rigid iOS is. The grid is just so goddamn boring. I'll take just the apps I want and widgets on the home screen any day. BTW, widgets in the pull down, sounds organized in theory, but I find it more disorganized. I rather scroll left/right through paginated home screens where there are clear breaks as to where my widgets are than a forever up/down scrolling through a "list" of widgets. Speaking of the pull-down, it's a shame we have to scroll left/right to see widgets or notifications. If I want to see my widgets but I left it on the Notification side, I have to scroll left first; if I want to see my notifications but left it on my Widgets side, I have to scroll right. Extra steps because iOS can't be more dynamic than a grid of apps.

No disagreement regarding the grid and especially the inability to at least arrange icons in free form--the 'snap to the top' is ridiculous. FWIW, I heard it explained that one of the reasons it hasn't been changed is the Apple's philosophy is that the home screen is just an access point, that your time is meant to be spent in apps themselves. Regardless, I'd like to see a bit more flexibility on the home screen as well.

The widgets implementations on either platform come down to a matter of preference. I like the iOS implementation and the ability to access them at anytime, from within any app but certainly understand you preference as well. The extra step to switch between widgets and notifications? That seems a little nitpicky. Doesn't it require 2 pull down motions to expand the quick settings on the Android notification shade?

Lastly, I still hate the Settings menu. It's still, in my opinion, disorganized and difficult to find things. Maybe I'm just not used to it, but I much prefer the way TouchWiz does it. It's color-coded and there are options to put your most accessed settings at the top. Convenient. Also, I feel things are disconnected. For example, Control Center... why can't I go directly into say WiFi settings if I want to? Even if it's not as intuitive as Android where you can long-press the WiFi button to go directly into WiFi settings, why not a Settings shortcut button somewhere? At least that. And I'll continue pointing out the one thing I've always pointed out ever since the inception of Control Center; why not allow us to choose what quick settings we want? I don't need AirDrop there. I don't need a calculator there. Nor a timer there. I'd love an icon that'll take me to the full Settings menu though.

Won't disagree regarding having the ability to customize Control Center, nor adding additional functionality with either a long press or hey, use 3D Touch now. There are however some workarounds--i.e. i use a Launcher widget located near the top of the top pull down shade that allows me to add shortcuts to pretty much anythings. I use it daily to quickly access things like Wifi settings or 1Password (immensely useful if the app hasn't integrated an extension for it). Basically, it is mimicking how you'd access these settings from the Android quick settings pulldown.

Other tidbits...

Safari is still a bit of a drag to use compared to Chrome. For example, switching between tabs requires 2-3 steps. Chrome is just one swipe left or one swipe right if the tab you want is next. Also, I know this is preference, but I still hate the way Safari scrolls. Tap to go back to the top, always a lovely feature.

Well, as Safari uses those motions to move back or forward a page, can't really duplicate it. Do you have to use a button to go back or forward in Chrome on Android phones (sorry, been a little while, gave my only Android phone to a friend so I can't test it)? I also alway found accessing bookmarks in Chrome to be a bit more cumbersome since you had to use the hamburger menu in the top right corner, rather an icon directly on the page. Won't disagree about scrolling--I find it too slow for my preference as well though like you, I love the top at the top to instant return to the top of a page.

iOS 9 is buttery smooth. Fingerprint sensor also fast. Faster than S6 for sure and this is a 5S.

Who says iOS doesn't come with bloat? I have a folder of "Extras" full of pages of Apple related bloat I don't want nor plan to use.

All phones have bloat, for certain. At least iPhones don't have to deal with carrier stuff.

Mail experience is still pretty good, though I definitely have bones to pick. Nothing worth getting into.

I like Mail.app as well but primarily now use Outlook--even better experience, IMO, highly recommend it. I also use Sunrise Calendar. Who'd have guessed Microsoft would offer arguably better experiences on the iPhone. :p

The keyboard finally shows upper case lettering! Miracle.

Count me as one who prefers the iOS keyboard experience, at least for tap typing. I just wish they'd implement a 'swipe' options as choosing a third party solution means I lose out on the 3D Touch cursor option (another awesome feature, though sadly not available on anything other than the 6s/6s+).

Still have yet to dive into Apple Maps or the like, but I do hope it's better than I last remembered.

Don't bother. Yes, it's improved and while I do think it offers at least as good a navigation experience as Google Maps on the iPhone, overall it still can't match Google Maps, especially when it comes to POI.

There's probably more I could say but I'll leave it at that. Those that know me will not find anything unfamiliar here. In short, iOS still has some ways to go in my opinion before it can live up to the world's most advanced mobile operating system. It still just doesn't feel very advanced, sadly.


EDIT: I still have to update the OS via WiFi only? Wut! C'mon.

Considering some updates are around 1.5 GB, I can't really fault them for that precaution.
 
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gadgetgirl85

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I feel like I have some sort of rotation bug...I don't know if its just me. But if I pick up the phone it will usually be rotated then I have to rotate it to horizontal view again.
 

epicrayban

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We've had discussions about similar issues in the past so happy to offer some suggestions/counter points where they might be applicable. I'll also reiterate here that I'm not necessarily disagreeing with many of your points or claiming an iOS solution is better but rather just offering some additional insight from someone who's been using iOS consistently for quite a while now.



There really isn't an argument to be made here--if you prefer the back button, you won't find the exact same functionality on iOS. I know you're aware of the swipe from the left edge to go back (and yes that it's not universally applied) but I find a significant portion of my apps do utilize it, so my only advice is try it first (all apps will likely have a secondary button as well). Using a 5S you are also missing out on an additional feature that's available on the 6s/6s+, the deep press to switch apps. So, if you swipe from the left, if an app supports it, will take you to your last page. If you press slightly harder, it will pull up the stacks of apps in the app switch, with the last app you utilized on top. Also, if you access another app from a link, there will be the option to return to the app in the top left corner (yes, agree that it's not an ideal location in regards to reachability). Needless to say, I can navigate quite well without have to hit any 'back' buttons in most cases.



No disagreement regarding the grid and especially the inability to at least arrange icons in free form--the 'snap to the top' is ridiculous. FWIW, I heard it explained that one of the reasons it hasn't been changed is the Apple's philosophy is that the home screen is just an access point, that your time is meant to be spent in apps themselves. Regardless, I'd like to see a bit more flexibility on the home screen as well.

The widgets implementations on either platform come down to a matter of preference. I like the iOS implementation and the ability to access them at anytime, from within any app but certainly understand you preference as well. The extra step to switch between widgets and notifications? That seems a little nitpicky. Doesn't it require 2 pull down motions to expand the quick settings on the Android notification shade?



Won't disagree regarding having the ability to customize Control Center, nor adding additional functionality with either a long press or hey, use 3D Touch now. There are however some workarounds--i.e. i use a launcher widget located near the top of the top pull down shade that allows me to add shortcuts to pretty much anythings. I use it daily to quickly access things like Wifi settings or 1Password (immensely useful if the app hasn't integrated an extension for it). Basically, it is mimicking how you'd access these settings from the Android quick settings pulldown.



Well, as Safari uses those motions to move back or forward a page, can't really duplicate it. Do you have to use a button to go back or forward in Chrome on Android phones (sorry, been a little while, gave my only Android phone to a friend so I can't test it)? I also alway found accessing bookmarks in Chrome to be a bit more cumbersome since you had to use the hamburger menu in the top right corner, rather an icon directly on the page. Won't disagree about scrolling--I find it too slow for my preference as well though like you, I love the top at the top to instant return to the top of a page.



All phones have bloat, for certain. At least iPhones don't have to deal with carrier stuff.



I like Mail.app as well but primarily now use Outlook--even better experience, IMO, highly recommend it. I also use Sunrise Calendar. Who'd have guessed Microsoft would offer arguably better experiences on the iPhone. :p



Count me as one who prefers the iOS keyboard experience, at least for tap typing. I just wish they'd implement a 'swipe' options as choosing a third party solution means I lose out on the 3D Touch cursor option (another awesome feature, though sadly not available on anything other than the 6s/6s+).



Don't bother. Yes, it's improved and while I do think it offers at least as good a navigation experience as Google Maps on the iPhone, overall it still can't match Google Maps, especially when it comes to POI.



Considering some updates are around 1.5 GB, I can't really fault them for that precaution.

Won't reply to everything. We definitely have some disagreements, like thumb typing... There is no better keyboard than swiftkey when it comes to thumb typing, I think. Also the iOS keyboard just doesn't seem smart enough to recognize certain things. Can't think of too specific examples now but once when I was editing a typo, I had to backspace a period and wanted to change the capital letter that came after the period to a lower case and it wouldn't do it automatically even after the period was removed. I had to manually select lower case. Little things like that. Also, I find it super slow there's no quicker way to the punctuations. With android you can long press or gesture to those punctuations. Much faster. But like I said the keyboard is much improved (finally) for iOS.

But besides that, I'll look into your suggestions. It's definitely a shame I can't fully experience 3D press as I think it definitely helps the iOS experience (and have said so many times before). Though I still think 3D press definitely needs to be customizable eventually like control center should be. What if I don't want to hard press into a selfie? And rather press into HDR mode or whatever? But ya, shame I don't have it on my 5s.

I will comment on the stock android pull down for quick toggles thing you mentioned though... I've long said that it shouldn't require two steps. I think this is a mistake on googles part for sure. And have long praised touch wiz for its far better implementation. Google doesn't allow you to customize the toggles either which is stupid. Touch wiz does. Just one of many reasons I actually think nexus devices and stock android is overrated.

Edit: I also forgot to add that you can actually pull down the toggle in one move. Two finger swipe down gets you there but that's still a crappy way to do it. I still don't like how stock does a lot of things.
 

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Btw, iOS 9 definitely lags on a 5S.

Given how well Apple supports old devices with software updates, it's a damn shame they don't future proof their hardeare specs better. Ironically, android oems do, but they suffer from slow/non existent updates.

Sigh...
 
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Btw, iOS 9 definitely lags on a 5S.

Given how well Apple supports old devices with software updates, it's a damn shame they don't future proof their hardeare specs better. Ironically, android oems do, but they suffer from slow/non existent updates.

Sigh...

I think the reasoning for this is simple...well in my opinion lol.

Apple has been optimized from the get go since it was released. Each year Apple adds more features which older devices such as 5s were not made to run. iOS was so optimized from it's inception that there isn't much room left for optimization.

Android on the other hand was unoptimized since its release. Each year it gets optimized further while still adding more features. This results in older devices running better on the more optimized android versions.
 
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I think the reasoning for this is simple...well in my opinion lol.

Apple has been optimized from the get go since it was released. Each year Apple adds more features which older devices such as 5s were not made to run. iOS was so optimized from it's inception that there isn't much room left for optimization.

Android on the other hand was unoptimized since its release. Each year it gets optimized further while still adding more features. This results in older devices running better on the more optimized android versions.

Makes sense I guess. Just can't win :(
 

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Google doesn't allow you to customize the toggles either which is stupid.
They've added this ability in Marshmallow, though it's in a developer's options area. It's called System UI Tuner. Have no first hand knowledge of just what can be done but it appears to be a step in the right direction. More info here and here.
 
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They've added this ability in Marshmallow, though it's in a developer's options area. It's called System UI Tuner. Have no first hand knowledge of just what can be done but it appears to be a step in the right direction. More info here and here.
I can't find it in my developer options section on my Nexus 6P at all...
 
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Did-...e-times-less-than-Google-and-Facebook_id76276

Apple spends only 3.5% of revenue on R&D.

I thought the narrative was always that Apple has to charge premium prices in part to make up for huge R&D costs because they're the most innovative company in the world. According to the article, 3.5% still amounts to a lot of dollars given Apple's insanely impressive revenue, but I have to wonder, where the heck does the rest of the money go...?
 

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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Did-...e-times-less-than-Google-and-Facebook_id76276

Apple spends only 3.5% of revenue on R&D.

I thought the narrative was always that Apple has to charge premium prices in part to make up for huge R&D costs because they're the most innovative company in the world. According to the article, 3.5% still amounts to a lot of dollars given Apple's insanely impressive revenue, but I have to wonder, where the heck does the rest of the money go...?
Well that's almost 5 billion. I don't know what the narrative is; seems more like Internet "truth"...definitely didn't hear that from SJ or TC. The rest of the money may go to sales, marketing, construction, business confidential projects, salaries and oh yeah; shareholder equity.
 

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Apple spends only 3.5% of revenue on R&D.

I thought the narrative was always that Apple has to charge premium prices in part to make up for huge R&D costs because they're the most innovative company in the world. According to the article, 3.5% still amounts to a lot of dollars given Apple's insanely impressive revenue, but I have to wonder, where the heck does the rest of the money go...?
They don't return it to their investors as they have been sued before to have revenues returned to shareholders. Plus the fact that they have the enormous cash reserves means it is not going back to investors/shareholders.
 

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I can't find it in my developer options section on my Nexus 6P at all...

It's sort of a hidden feature. You will first have to enable developer options. After, pull down the notification bar twice to reveal the gear icon for settings in the top right corner. Hold down this gear icon for about 3-10 seconds ( might take couple tries). A message will pop up, sayig system ui tuner has been enable. Now go to settings and
scroll all the way to the bottom.

It also allows you to add battery percentage in the battery icon.
 
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They don't return it to their investors as they have been sued before to have revenues returned to shareholders. Plus the fact that they have the enormous cash reserves means it is not going back to investors/shareholders.

Well, I believe Apple has repurchased roughly $100B of it's stock since 2013--not exactly peanuts. ;) But I'd agree about the cash reserves--can't see a clear reason why they still need over $200B in cash reserves.

And while Apple is the favorite whipping boy in this sub forum, if fingers are going to be pointed, let's be fair. Google (Alphabet) has roughly $70B in cash reserves (yes, not Apple big but enough to buy most companies themselves) and hasn't paid out any dividends over the past 5 years either.
 
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It's sort of a hidden feature. You will first have to enable developer options. After, pull down the notification bar twice to reveal the gear icon for settings in the top right corner. Hold down this gear icon for about 3-10 seconds ( might take couple tries). A message will pop up, sayig system ui tuner has been enable. Now go to settings and
scroll all the way to the bottom.

It also allows you to add battery percentage in the battery icon.
Yea, it's kind of a double-secret probation thing. You have to activate it via the gear icon in the quick toggles pull down to enable it in the developers options. Weird. Obviously still considered experimental given lack of transparency.
 
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