Just look at the automotive industry to see blatant examples of "copying". It's like fashion, trends go in and out. Making a bigger device is not necessarily copying as the form and function for those two devices are both similar and world's apart.
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Keep in mind I'm not really making the copying accusation. I'll point out when things are very obviously inspired by, but really, I could care less who did what first, so long as I get a better product out of it.
If I weren't so lazy, I'd make a Venn diagram showing how I think the iPP and the SP4 meet in the grand scheme of computery goodness. They both have some overlap, but the SP4 leans in on it more from the laptop angle, and the iPP more from the tablet end.
Though in two-three years or so, I think we're going to have two products that are nearly the same.
You might be right about the time frame, but the style is different. A Bentley and an accord have the same mission, to get you to a destination but the style is different; in no way saying one tablet is this or that just pointing out they way they accomplish the end game is different.
Oh I think we all know in the market place it is Apples copy of the Surface Pro. The marketing shows that even. Replace your desktop and has Pro work flow apps. Yes it copies alright.
I disagree, I think iPad pro is a direct response to the Surface Pro.
12" display
smart cover -> Type Cover
Pencil -> Stylus.
If looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, its a duck. Sure, Apple put their own spin on it, like using iOS because they don't want to cannibalize both iPad and Mac sales if it ran OS X. They also added a few niceties to the pencil.
Overall Apple saw how popular the Surface Pro line was doing, and how iPad sales were shrinking. They copied Microsoft and called it an iPad Pro
I agree.....I will even go a step further and say it is a bad copy at that. It lacks the functionality and user options the SP4 has going for it. More ports and a true desktop OS to run applications. Then the stylus has more functionality as well.
But if I were an illustrator by profession....then the IPP would be a perfect fit.
This article at The Verge suns up the app problem with the IPP and "Pro" apps.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/19/9757516/ipad-pro-apps-pricing-ios-developers-opt-out
I just bought a surface pro 4 and knew from experience I needed to up the base model hardware, to do what I needed to. Price went up exponentially.
If Windows wasn't needed vs getting an iPad I could have gotten along with the base model ipp. I see the ipp as Apple getting into the bigger tablet market as the original surface after the success of the iPad.
The sp4 hardware is expensive, I bought a laptop for myself because two sp4s were out of the question.
The one thing I really like with my SP3, is the ability to put that in my dock, and use my 24" monitor, keyboard and mouse. While not as fast as my MBP, its a great machine and allows me to access/use desktop apps.
The IPP isn't a bad machine, and it looks great, I do hand it to apple for making a beautiful designed tablet. Its hamstrung for my uses, because its running a mobile OS, and you cannot use normal USB peripherals.
Exactly.... I was all set on getting the IPP after the keynote after the product announcement. I was stoked until I looked at what my use cases were. First it is a first gen product and I think it needs a second or third revision to get it right so to speak. Just like it has taken MS to get the SP to where it is now.
The lack of ports and ability to plug in say a USB hard drive/SD Card to offload/onload content restricts the IPP IMHO.
Then IOS restricts it further by not having a file system like OSX.
iOS-based devices can never fully serve in a 'professional' environment. There are too many limitations that are non-starters.
You're at an important client meeting and they pull out a thumb drive with something they want you to see right now - you're SOL with the ipp. Need to give a copy of the confidential contract you just revised to your clients at the meeting - SOL. Need to print the contract at a location that doesn't have AirPrint - SOL. Get back to your office with your beautiful 27" display - sorry SOL with your ipp. Use a mouse as a productivity tool - SOL.
The real world limitations of iOS are just not professional.
I don't know where you work, but we regularly have presentations and meetings with iOS devices. Financial services, medical, aviation are just three examples of industries well supported by iOS.
The typical example of: "I need this binary hacked" doesn't really happen in these industries.
Except it's different in so many ways.
The iPad Pri is basically a 13" display. Also, it's not the same simply because accessories. It is trying to solve the same problem, yes, but going about it from a different angle. If they had made the OS X tablet some ask for, that would have been copying. This is merely evolving the iPad.
Meanwhile, you avoided comment on every limitation I mentioned.
IOW, you've got nothing and your attitude embodies my signature. Will ignore accordingly.
one can come up with most inane and mythical of situations that even the most advanced hardware won't be able to handle; which is what seems to happen in this forum. Your example is just that; a perceived limitation. However in the event of people bringing out multiple flash drives at once, I carry a laptop along with my goodies with 4 use ports.
Oh good lord. My examples were:
- Need to use a USB drive
- Need to share a confidential document file
- Need to print
- Want to use a monitor
- Want to use a mouse
In what world are these everyday technology needs/desires "inane and mythical?"
So, if you have to carry a laptop 'just in case' what's the point of investing $1,000+ in an IPP? I mean seriously, your solution to the IPP's limitations is bring a laptop too? Really? smdh...
Let me try this again, my company does use ipads for presentations. If I'm making a presentation to a potential 50 or 100 million account you bet I'm going to come armed to the teeth with technology and backup technology. These days, nothing is quite so unwieldy as to preclude one from carrying around multiple redundant pieces of equipment including a small printer for contracts on the spot. If anything comes up out of the ordinary I have the equipment to handle it without shutting down the presentation mid-stream.
hmm, forgetting when surface came out, little tim cook had a laugh on stage about how it was a tablet and laptop? what does apple do? make a "pro" version of the ipad and brings out a keyboard that attaches similar to surface. there's your copy.
So forgetting that microsoft copied a popular form factor, apple copied a keyboard design, which you could say was a better idea than the magnetic cover that put the ipad into sleep mode. I think it's safe to say they all copy good designs. A laptop it's (the ipp) not as the laptop has a different quantifiable experience.
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Guys, seriously. Can we stop with the bickering? Who ripped off who isn't the discussion.
Products shape the market research of other companies. CEOs lie to protect their products. Marketing lies to differentiate themselves from their competitors. The greatest progress in technology, whether it be the cell phone, the space race, or the sequencing of the human genome, occurs through (at best) collaboration or (at worst) cheating. If Apple didn't have Android, it would still be the garbage iPhone 3G. If Android didn't have iOS, it would look like a Blackberry.
So can we knock it off on this stupid discussion and agree that the tech industry is great because competition improves the environment?
Products shape the market research of other companies. CEOs lie to protect their products. Marketing lies to differentiate themselves from their competitors. The greatest progress in technology, whether it be the cell phone, the space race, or the sequencing of the human genome, occurs through (at best) collaboration or (at worst) cheating. If Apple didn't have Android, it would still be the garbage iPhone 3G. If Android didn't have iOS, it would look like a Blackberry.
So can we knock it off on this stupid discussion and agree that the tech industry is great because competition improves the environment?
you must not be using email attachments also... i mean, only pictures are legitimate business email attachments of course.
And if Blackberry didn't have iOS or Android it might still be around in any meaningful way.
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