Some days I feel like ditching Apple

[Robisan]

Also, is it me or does the OS not remember that I want to use Swype and not the iOS keyboard. It often seems to pop back up as the iOS keyboard. What gives? I've looked but I'm not sure how/if I have to somehow set it as default another way. Can someone advise?

That's how it's supposed to work.

It also seems to me that the App Store doesn't trust that I absolutely want to use only my thumb print to approve purchases. Sometimes it'll say "For security purposes..." or something, they'll need me to punch in my Apple ID password again. What security purposes?! I specifically chose Touch ID to approve. I ask again, am I doing something wrong where my default preference isn't being properly saved? What is with all this inconsistency on iOS over basic features?

That's how it's supposed to work.

(sorry, couldn't resist... )

 

[tbayrgs]

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Nothing I can offer to change your first few points so I'll reply to a few other concerns that have solutions:

I've also forgotten how cumbersome it is to share things. Even these three screen grabs, I wanted to pull them off my phone. I go to the photo gallery and hit share. Can't find DropBox. Instead, I have to go into DropBox and pick upload from there. If I were to want to share to apps that Apple allows, then I could share from the photo gallery. But if I want to share to an app Apple doesn't allow, I have to go to that app and upload from there instead.

I have the option to save to Dropbox, and any number of other apps in my share sheet. My guess is that you don't have the toggle for 'Save to Dropbox' switched on (bottom row, touch 'More'). Do it once and you'll always see it in the share sheet. Same goes for any other app--most are usually in the first row. I honestly have no idea what makes an app appear in the first row vs. the second.

It just seems to take more work than necessary to accomplish most/many of the same tasks that is so easy to accomplish on Android. The aforementioned inability to access WiFi settings from Control Center, for example (last week, when I first got iPhone and wanted to connect to new WiFi networks, I kept forgetting CC doesn't actually take me to the WiFi selection. I had to go into Settings). At least the WiFi thing can be forgiven, but I like to share my photos often. Navigating backwards is used EXTREMELY often.

I mentioned a solution for your Wifi (or any other settings issue) in my previous reply. I use an app called Launcher, believe another very popular option is Launcher Center Pro. Launcher includes a widget for the Today tab on the top pull down shade. Here's how mine is set up.



The 'Wifi' button 2nd from the left on the 4th row takes me directly to Wifi settings. There are any number of other options that can be included here so I'll let you explore if you decide to try it out.

Also, is it me or does the OS not remember that I want to use Swype and not the iOS keyboard. It often seems to pop back up as the iOS keyboard. What gives? I've looked but I'm not sure how/if I have to somehow set it as default another way. Can someone advise? It also seems to me that the App Store doesn't trust that I absolutely want to use only my thumb print to approve purchases. Sometimes it'll say "For security purposes..." or something, they'll need me to punch in my Apple ID password again. What security purposes?! I specifically chose Touch ID to approve. I ask again, am I doing something wrong where my default preference isn't being properly saved? What is with all this inconsistency on iOS over basic features?

I believe the system remembers the last keyboard you used (or it should). You can change the default order of keyboard access in Settings > General> Keyboard, can move Swype to the top if you like. You have to remember though that iOS doesn't allow use of a 3rd party keyboard when input sensitive data like password so the iOS keyboard will pop up. This is obviously Apple's decision pertaining to security, like it or not.

The App Store password issues are maddening, I completely agree. I have TouchID enabled to unlock my phone, approve iTunes and App Store purchases, for Apple Pay, and a great many 3rd party apps. Yet, I'm required to manually input my Apple ID password all the time--sometimes without any explanation. In fact, I have to type my password on my iPhone every time to approve one of my kid's app store purchases yet don't have to if I'm approving on my iPad Air 2 where I'm prompted to use TouchID. I've tried any kinds of troubleshooting for this issue with no success (yes, I'm sure my settings are correct before others chime in--not my first rodeo on iOS ). And even when it works properly, I still on occasion get the manual input request. Also, my kids have to input their password when they make the request--that's fine yet for my youngest it often asks 2 or 3 times in succession on the same request. This password inconsistency is driving me a bit bonkers.

Listen, you have a very specific set of user experience preferences/expectations, a lot of which have been fostered by years of using Android. Yes, there are some inconsistencies in iOS but I think a lot of your issues are rooted in your preference for how Android does things. We see the reverse true on these forums all the time---iOS user who expect things to work a certain way and then decry Android's shortcoming when they don't work that way. Hell, when I move back to Android, I find myself either mimicking certain iOS behaviors or simply missing how some work, even if there is a solution (often better) on Android. Android and iOS do some things quite differently--my best advice is stop expecting iOS to do everything as it's done in Android and just embrace how things work, for better or worse.

 

[gotluck]

I can vouche for that answer regarding 3rd party keyboards above ^ was having that issue myself

By changing the priority swype now reliable comes up first - I love me some one handed swype typing

I do wish the dictation microphone button existed on swype, kind of a shame i have to switch back to stock keyboard to use dictation

 

[epicrayban]

Nothing I can offer to change your first few points so I'll reply to a few other concerns that have solutions:



I have the option to save to Dropbox, and any number of other apps in my share sheet. My guess is that you don't have the toggle for 'Save to Dropbox' switched on (bottom row, touch 'More'). Do it once and you'll always see it in the share sheet. Same goes for any other app--most are usually in the first row. I honestly have no idea what makes an app appear in the first row vs. the second.

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I mentioned a solution for your Wifi (or any other settings issue) in my previous reply. I use an app called Launcher, believe another very popular option is Launcher Center Pro. Launcher includes a widget for the Today tab on the top pull down shade. Here's how mine is set up.

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The 'Wifi' button 2nd from the left on the 4th row takes me directly to Wifi settings. There are any number of other options that can be included here so I'll let you explore if you decide to try it out.



I believe the system remembers the last keyboard you used (or it should). You can change the default order of keyboard access in Settings > General> Keyboard, can move Swype to the top if you like. You have to remember though that iOS doesn't allow use of a 3rd party keyboard when input sensitive data like password so the iOS keyboard will pop up. This is obviously Apple's decision pertaining to security, like it or not.

The App Store password issues are maddening, I completely agree. I have TouchID enabled to unlock my phone, approve iTunes and App Store purchases, for Apple Pay, and a great many 3rd party apps. Yet, I'm required to manually input my Apple ID password all the time--sometimes without any explanation. In fact, I have to type my password on my iPhone every time to approve one of my kid's app store purchases yet don't have to if I'm approving on my iPad Air 2 where I'm prompted to use TouchID. I've tried any kinds of troubleshooting for this issue with no success (yes, I'm sure my settings are correct before others chime in--not my first rodeo on iOS ). And even when it works properly, I still on occasion get the manual input request. Also, my kids have to input their password when they make the request--that's fine yet for my youngest it often asks 2 or 3 times in succession on the same request. This password inconsistency is driving me a bit bonkers.

Listen, you have a very specific set of user experience preferences/expectations, a lot of which have been fostered by years of using Android. Yes, there are some inconsistencies in iOS but I think a lot of your issues are rooted in your preference for how Android does things. We see the reverse true on these forums all the time---iOS user who expect things to work a certain way and then decry Android's shortcoming when they don't work that way. Hell, when I move back to Android, I find myself either mimicking certain iOS behaviors or simply missing how some work, even if there is a solution (often better) on Android. Android and iOS do some things quite differently--my best advice is stop expecting iOS to do everything as it's done in Android and just embrace how things work, for better or worse.

I don't have the time to set up a screen grab right now, but I am not seeing DropBox even in the More section to share. I did check there the first time, too. Not seeing it now either. Did I miss a step in Settings? I've looked but not seeing anything obvious.

Thanks for the keyboard suggestion. I've moved Swype up to the top now. Hopefully it remembers this once and for all.

Being used to Android aside, these inconsistencies just do not have to exist. I don't know what the solution is to solve the back-navigation inconsistency as we all know Apple is highly unlikely to add a back button even though, in my opinion, I think they should. This is one thing that I think is totally worth copying because it's become a universal thing now: navigating backwards on a smartphone. A dedicated back button would solve these woes. Also, I can't imagine how uncomfortable it must be to have to reach to the top left/right to get to these back buttons on the larger 6 Plus. I did own the 6 for some time and found it already cumbersome to have to reach up to find those back buttons; the 6 Plus must be even worse. Again, a dedicated back button would solve this problem and make navigating through iOS in general a lot easier. As I mentioned before, there is plenty of bezel space to figure it out on the hardware end. If Android OEMs can do it, so can Apple. They just choose not to.

In the name of security, iOS has a lot of frustrating shortcomings and inconsistencies. And if I had a choice (as I do my daily driver) I wouldn't use the iPhone, but I need it for work and have no choice. I don't deny I'm used to Android, but I also don't deny that there are better ways to accomplish things. iOS just doesn't seem to know how or want to allow you to do so (eg. your shared frustration about the Touch ID with the App Store. It's absolutely maddening).

And again, I can't stress how absurd it is that I have to wait til I get on a WiFi network before I can download Monument Valley or any large app or game that I might want or worse, need, at the moment. How is this "advance"? These are limitations that shouldn't exist just because Apple refuses to treat its users like adults. I say again, let me make my own responsible decisions.

EDIT: Another example I just discovered of the back navigation driving me nuts: when I go to edit a photo, to cancel out of it is now lower left. Blargh.

 

[tbayrgs]

I don't have the time to set up a screen grab right now, but I am not seeing DropBox even in the More section to share. I did check there the first time, too. Not seeing it now either. Did I miss a step in Settings? I've looked but not seeing anything obvious.

Don't see anything under the Settings tab in the Dropbox app. Only thing I can think of is to make sure you allowed Dropbox to access your photos--setting is found both under Settings > Privacy > Photos or under Settings > Dropbox

 

[Robisan]

Another maddening thing about iOS is its inability to automatically switch to another available wifi signal when the selected wifi degrades or is unavailable. My router has both a 2.4ghz and 5ghz wifi broadcast. Because 5ghz has less cross traffic and faster delivery I have our Apple TV on it, my wife's iPad on it for Airplay and set as default on all other devices that support 5ghz.

However, at the furthest distance from the router in my house the 5ghz signal degrades to virtually unusable, while the 2.4ghz signal remains strong and usable. My Android devices will automatically switch to 2.4 and back to 5. The iPad requires that I manually make the change back and forth. It's especially annoying when I try to Airplay and find the wifi hasn't been reset to 5ghz.

I'm not going to buy a 5ghz extender just to satisfy the iPad when 2.4 reaches throughout. Last time I had the ATV on 2.4ghz I was getting choppy buffering issues on Netflix which went away on the 5ghz channel, so just keeping the Apple devices on 2.4 isn't a solution Maybe I could trouble shoot this but why should I have to when 5ghz works fine? There are a ton of 2.4ghz networks around me and it may just be interference.

I get that this is a first world problem type complaint, but it's just another small item where Android better handles real world usage of their devices.

 

[TheBigKing]

U guys think that a m8 it's a good buy ? It will be getting android m this week

 

[MRU]

U guys think that a m8 it's a good buy ? It will be getting android m this week

Other than tempering your expectations on camera performance the m8 is a great handset.

 

[TheBigKing]

Other than tempering your expectations on camera performance the m8 is a great handset.

Yea I don't like the m9 i like more the m8

 

[Blaze4G]

U guys think that a m8 it's a good buy ? It will be getting android m this week

As MRU said, great device apart from camera. However it all depends on the price.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Another maddening thing about iOS is its inability to automatically switch to another available wifi signal when the selected wifi degrades or is unavailable. My router has both a 2.4ghz and 5ghz wifi broadcast. Because 5ghz has less cross traffic and faster delivery I have our Apple TV on it, my wife's iPad on it for Airplay and set as default on all other devices that support 5ghz.

However, at the furthest distance from the router in my house the 5ghz signal degrades to virtually unusable, while the 2.4ghz signal remains strong and usable. My Android devices will automatically switch to 2.4 and back to 5. The iPad requires that I manually make the change back and forth. It's especially annoying when I try to Airplay and find the wifi hasn't been reset to 5ghz.

I'm not going to buy a 5ghz extender just to satisfy the iPad when 2.4 reaches throughout. Last time I had the ATV on 2.4ghz I was getting choppy buffering issues on Netflix which went away on the 5ghz channel, so just keeping the Apple devices on 2.4 isn't a solution Maybe I could trouble shoot this but why should I have to when 5ghz works fine? There are a ton of 2.4ghz networks around me and it may just be interference.

I get that this is a first world problem type complaint, but it's just another small item where Android better handles real world usage of their devices.

Does your 2.4 and 5 wifi networks have separate SSID, such as name and name-5G?

Or did you label both with the same exact name and password?

 

[tbayrgs]

Another maddening thing about iOS is its inability to automatically switch to another available wifi signal when the selected wifi degrades or is unavailable. My router has both a 2.4ghz and 5ghz wifi broadcast. Because 5ghz has less cross traffic and faster delivery I have our Apple TV on it, my wife's iPad on it for Airplay and set as default on all other devices that support 5ghz.

However, at the furthest distance from the router in my house the 5ghz signal degrades to virtually unusable, while the 2.4ghz signal remains strong and usable. My Android devices will automatically switch to 2.4 and back to 5. The iPad requires that I manually make the change back and forth. It's especially annoying when I try to Airplay and find the wifi hasn't been reset to 5ghz.

I'm not going to buy a 5ghz extender just to satisfy the iPad when 2.4 reaches throughout. Last time I had the ATV on 2.4ghz I was getting choppy buffering issues on Netflix which went away on the 5ghz channel, so just keeping the Apple devices on 2.4 isn't a solution Maybe I could trouble shoot this but why should I have to when 5ghz works fine? There are a ton of 2.4ghz networks around me and it may just be interference.

I get that this is a first world problem type complaint, but it's just another small item where Android better handles real world usage of their devices.

All of my iDevices and Mac are setup for both my 5GHz and 2.4GHz signals, some defaulting to one, some the other. Whenever a device loses connectivity with the default signal, it'll switch to the other if it's available. Is this different than what you're explaining?

 

[apolloa]

All of my iDevices and Mac are setup for both my 5GHz and 2.4GHz signals, some defaulting to one, some the other. Whenever a device loses connectivity with the default signal, it'll switch to the other if it's available. Is this different than what you're explaining?

When you connected your devices to your WiFi, did they all connect to the same single wireless network, or do you have two separate wireless networks?

 

[tbayrgs]

When you connected your devices to your WiFi, did they all connect to the same single wireless network, or do you have two separate wireless networks?

Both signals show as unique SSIDs, using the same base name (the 5GHz network reflects the frequency in the name). Similar to Robisan, some devices in our household connect to the 2.4 first while others are setup to connect to the 5 first. In either case, they will automatically connect to the other if their default is out of range.

 

[I7guy]

Both signals show as unique SSIDs, using the same base name (the 5GHz network reflects the frequency in the name). Similar to Robisan, some devices in our household connect to the 2.4 first while others are setup to connect to the 5 first. In either case, they will automatically connect to the other if their default is out of range.

I have 4 ssids. two 2.4 and two 5ghz. My ipad and iphone both connect to the last ssid before I turned off the device or shut down wifi. (Shutdown only applies to my ipad, my iphone never gets turned off). That said only apple knows the secret sauce of how the connection algorithm works.

 

[Robisan]

Does your 2.4 and 5 wifi networks have separate SSID, such as name and name-5G?

This. Name and Name5. Both have same pw.

 

[Robisan]

All of my iDevices and Mac are setup for both my 5GHz and 2.4GHz signals, some defaulting to one, some the other. Whenever a device loses connectivity with the default signal, it'll switch to the other if it's available. Is this different than what you're explaining?

Maybe. When I'm furthest away from the router the 5ghz signal is very weak, but not quite a complete loss. My Android devices recognize and switch to the stronger available (2.4) signal. The iPad clings to the weak 5ghz signal even though data throughput is crap. Can't say what it would do if it fully lost the 5ghz signal.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

This. Name and Name5. Both have same pw.

Try naming them the same with the same password. It works when dealing with range. But the only sacrifice might some devices might stick to the 2.4ghz at random which reduces speed or reliability. Worth a try though.

 

[Robisan]

Try naming them the same with the same password. It works when dealing with range. But the only sacrifice might some devices might stick to the 2.4ghz at random which reduces speed or reliability. Worth a try though.

That could be a problem for Airplay. ATV and iPad (and also rMBP) must be on same network for AP. Can see problems with devices randomly selecting identically named networks.

...adding, it's more an annoyance than a major problem. Just thought it was of note for this thread how Android vs iOS handle this issue.

 

[Ddyracer]

I can't find it in my developer options section on my Nexus 6P at all...

Hold down on the settings icon in quick settings. Will enable it.

 

[Tinmania]

Maybe. When I'm furthest away from the router the 5ghz signal is very weak, but not quite a complete loss. My Android devices recognize and switch to the stronger available (2.4) signal. The iPad clings to the weak 5ghz signal even though data throughput is crap. Can't say what it would do if it fully lost the 5ghz signal.

I have the exact opposite experience with my iPhone 6S plus compared to my Note 4. It is my Note that clings to a crappy wifi network to the bitter end. Even when leaving home it was a pain as it took long to realize that wifi was gone and switch to cellular data. My prior iPhone, way back to a 4S, acted like my Note so I didn't mind manually switching. But my 6S plus has no such issue.

What really bothered with my Note 4 was that it would switch to a wifi network that needed a password (captive portal), such as my local supermarket (where there happens to be a Starbucks). At first it was just a minor annoyance to deal with the login/agree popup. But not too long after getting the Note 4 that popup disappeared and I had to "force" a login by trying to open a new browser page. In most cases I didn't even want to use the wifi connection (it would switch to wifi that needed a password even when driving by).

My Note 4 has an option to use cell data if the internet via wifi was poor or inaccessible but that too seemed to not work very well, if at all. I have been leaving wifi assist on with my 6S plus and for me it is working as I expect it to--so my cellular data has not increased. I think it was worse on my Note 4 since I would regularly turn wifi off when connected to wifi with a captive portal (since it was a pain to force the "agree to" page to show) and sometimes forget to turn it back on, using cell data at home or work accidentally.




Mike

 

[spinedoc77]

I just got my Note 5 in a couple of days ago to possibly replace my iPhone 6s+, although I always do this back and forth between the 2 lines every single generation. I'm quite impressed by the NOte 5 build, it has that old watch heft and feel that I've always lauded the iphones for having. I always get bored with the iphones software, but have found that Android and Samsung in particular have less than par reliability. So far the Note 5 has been reliable and if it stays that way I'll happily switch back. All I've ever wanted was the reliability of iOS, the awesome hardware feel of the iPhone line, but the flexibility of Android.

 

[Tinmania]

I just got my Note 5 in a couple of days ago to possibly replace my iPhone 6s+, although I always do this back and forth between the 2 lines every single generation. I'm quite impressed by the NOte 5 build, it has that old watch heft and feel that I've always lauded the iphones for having. I always get bored with the iphones software, but have found that Android and Samsung in particular have less than par reliability. So far the Note 5 has been reliable and if it stays that way I'll happily switch back. All I've ever wanted was the reliability of iOS, the awesome hardware feel of the iPhone line, but the flexibility of Android.

I want that too. If I don't stay with my iPhone 6S plus though, it will definitely not be another Samsung after my questionable Note 4 experience. It will be a Nexus 6P. That seems to offer the closest to "best of both worlds."



Mike

 

[AustinIllini]

I want that too. If I don't stay with my iPhone 6S plus though, it will definitely not be another Samsung after my questionable Note 4 experience. It will be a Nexus 6P. That seems to offer the closest to "best of both worlds."



Mike

Nexus devices tend to be the most reliable of the Android bunch, however the functionality is generally the most limited. However, Nexus devices are not that much less functional than an iPhone for sure and the functions Nexus devices have tend to be the best all around in the ecosystem.

 

[Robisan]

I have the exact opposite experience with my iPhone 6S plus compared to my Note 4...

Maybe a Touchwiz thing? My experience it with near or pure Android - 2013 Nexus 7 (still on KK 4.4.4) , Moto X '14 (5.1), N6p (returned) and now N5x. All handle wifi as I described. iPad is an iP3 running iOS8.x.