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how is the speed with RC2? hopefully things dont get slowed down with the release version coming tomorrow.
 
It is fast.
Sonoma 14.0 RC2 on MBA M2 (basic config) with Safari and Speedometer 2.1 here. Firefox and Chrome are slower.

Iteration 1 510.6 runs/min
Iteration 2 531.8 runs/min
Iteration 3 510.0 runs/min
Iteration 4 523.0 runs/min
Iteration 5 528.1 runs/min
Iteration 6 526.5 runs/min
Iteration 7 513.1 runs/min
Iteration 8 538.1 runs/min
Iteration 9 532.6 runs/min
Iteration 10 509.8 runs/min
Arithmetic Mean:522 ± 7.6 (1.5%)
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how is the speed with RC2? hopefully things dont get slowed down with the release version coming tomorrow.
I still see Widget crash reports popping up at login and then occasionally after that
I'm still unable to use a folder in the Photos App to randomly cycle thru for Desktop Backgrounds (FB12202204)
I'm still seeing issues with External Drives slowing Finder down some when they're in use. Like Time Machine or copying files.. Could very well just be the drives, but they all worked great on Ventura.

As for the "Speed" of Sonoma? For me on my M1 MBP it's been GREAT all summer other than a couple hiccups, and my 2018 Intel Mac mini has been running it for about a month now with no issues at all (other than both being unable to use my own photos for background images from the Photos App as noted above).
 
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M1 14" MBP 16/512 RC 2,

Safari 17.0 = 384 w content blockers enabled, 398 content blockers disabled (coincidental I think, as I believe the test ignore content blockers).

Safari Tech Preview Release 179 (Safari 17.0, WebKit 19617.1.8.1) = 460

M2 for the win!! Go M2 MacBook Air!

Safari should get updated soon with the new WebKit.
 
It is fast.
Sonoma 14.0 RC2 on MBA M2 (basic config) with Safari and Speedometer 2.1 here. Firefox and Chrome are slower.

Iteration 1 510.6 runs/min
Iteration 2 531.8 runs/min
Iteration 3 510.0 runs/min
Iteration 4 523.0 runs/min
Iteration 5 528.1 runs/min
Iteration 6 526.5 runs/min
Iteration 7 513.1 runs/min
Iteration 8 538.1 runs/min
Iteration 9 532.6 runs/min
Iteration 10 509.8 runs/min
Arithmetic Mean:522 ± 7.6 (1.5%)
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Thanks for the testing. Can you try the Safari Tech Preview on your M2 MBA? When you say basic confirm, is that 8/256?
 
Thanks for the testing. Can you try the Safari Tech Preview on your M2 MBA? When you say basic confirm, is that 8/256?
Safari Technology Preview
Release 179 (Safari 17.0, WebKit 19617.1.8.1)

Detailed Results

Iteration 1 528.5 runs/min
Iteration 2 547.7 runs/min
Iteration 3 542.7 runs/min
Iteration 4 539.8 runs/min
Iteration 5 528.2 runs/min
Iteration 6 530.0 runs/min
Iteration 7 536.8 runs/min
Iteration 8 518.7 runs/min
Iteration 9 540.0 runs/min
Iteration 10 530.6 runs/min
Arithmetic Mean:534 ± 6.1 (1.2%)

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Yes, my basic config MacBook Air 2022 M2 is 8/256.
 
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It is fast.
Sonoma 14.0 RC2 on MBA M2 (basic config) with Safari and Speedometer 2.1 here. Firefox and Chrome are slower.

Iteration 1 510.6 runs/min
Iteration 2 531.8 runs/min
Iteration 3 510.0 runs/min
Iteration 4 523.0 runs/min
Iteration 5 528.1 runs/min
Iteration 6 526.5 runs/min
Iteration 7 513.1 runs/min
Iteration 8 538.1 runs/min
Iteration 9 532.6 runs/min
Iteration 10 509.8 runs/min
Arithmetic Mean:522 ± 7.6 (1.5%)
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but how does it compare to Ventura
 
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Sadly, Sonoma is running like a bag of nails on my iMac. Just gone back to Ventura.......Voila! Running flawlessly. Maybe I'll give it another go with the final release tomorrow.
thru all the betas, and currently on the RC, sonoma is running really well here, and faster in some places than on ventura.

sometimes it's worth exploring an issue, especially with a community like this one, rather than bailing immediately... but just my thoughts, of course.
 
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That's because Apple has rewrite the Foundation framework with swift, this helps to improves the performance a lot. Because when any calling to Foundation api, there is no need to go through from swift to obj-c, then back to swift. the wrapper was gone on sonoma, ios 17.
The Foundation rewrite is NOT in Sonoma. This is a long-term project that has only just begun.
 
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Just installed RC2 on a 16" M1 Pro. Definitely noticing a nice but subtle bump in overall system performance and some of the UI. Safari though is definitely whizzing along with multiple tabs open of various content.
 
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I wonder if we will notice the performance boost with web browsing?....

With Speedometer 2.1 Ventura is already fast with 440 points, now with Sonoma we're seeing a range of 500-540 points.
 
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I’m a bit bummed out about the score I just got in speedometer 2.1, after updating to safari 17 in Ventura my score went up to 487 from 440.

Now on Sonoma I’m getting 456 rather than over 500 like someone posted earlier.
 
It is fast.
Sonoma 14.0 RC2 on MBA M2 (basic config) with Safari and Speedometer 2.1 here. Firefox and Chrome are slower.

Iteration 1 510.6 runs/min
Iteration 2 531.8 runs/min
Iteration 3 510.0 runs/min
Iteration 4 523.0 runs/min
Iteration 5 528.1 runs/min
Iteration 6 526.5 runs/min
Iteration 7 513.1 runs/min
Iteration 8 538.1 runs/min
Iteration 9 532.6 runs/min
Iteration 10 509.8 runs/min
Arithmetic Mean:522 ± 7.6 (1.5%)
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How did you get over 500 on speedometer 2.1?

I’m only getting around 450 on my M2 max mbp as my previous post shows.

Iv tried doing it with and without ad blocker and after a restart but no improvement.

Any settings I’m missing?
 
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195 for me when running BrowserBench. Is this normal, given I'm running an Intel (late 2020, 4 ports, i7)?
I'm on the same, 16 GB, 4 TB ports, quad core i7, and I get 210-227.. it seems M1/M2s are just twice as fast by default. I run Safari after a cold boot and Speedometer 2.1 is the only page I load before testing

I also disable all extensions and content blockers, that bumps up the score a few points.
 
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