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D'you have some examples of some easily reproducible ones, then I can test if they're in the latest beta for you if you want :) - I personally skipped Catalina entirely as a daily driver but am fairly positive of the stability and reliability of Big Sur, though it obviously has issues as well in its beta stage
Some of these are easy to replicate, others less so:
  • The scroll bar in Music doesn't work correctly, previously discussed here and not working in 11 at that time.
  • Sorting the Songs view in Music by 'Album by Artist' doesn't persist across a quit, which is a regression from iTunes.
  • Taking a screenshot of Notification Centre via Cmd-Shift-4 produces a 'double-width' screenshot.
  • The infamous 2020 iMac graphics corruption issue.
  • Entire machine freezing after spending some time in 3D apps, which some people think is a memory leak in the AMD driver (and I'm inclined to agree, since rebooting before doing any 3D work seems to keep it stable, but this needs more testing).
  • The Library and Downloads tabs in the TV app don't let you press the first letter of a show to jump to it; they always jump to the last entry in the list. This is a regression from iTunes.
  • After powering off the machine to recover from the 3D crash, Finder windows in the 'Network' section showed the dark mode icons even when in light mode.
  • If you add multiple episodes with the same filename (in different subfolders) to the 'Automatically Add to TV' folder then it'll import some and delete the others. This is a regression from iTunes.
  • Finder often shows a free space count that doesn't match reality.
  • One of my albums in Music is appearing as two different albums, with some tracks in one and others in the other. Quitting and restarting Music randomly changes which tracks show in which. They're also not in the right order, e.g. track 15 is showing before track 14.
  • In Sys Prefs/General, if you switch between the various accent and highlight colour options too many times then they'll go out of whack, e.g. I currently have Blue selected for both yet the UI elements are purple.
  • And I've only seen this once, but I woke the machine from sleep the other day and only the left half of the screen 'woke up' immediately. The other half remained black for about half a second.
 
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Oh and as for bugs that need to be fixed before release; You still can't change the clock in the menu bar to 12-hour instead of 24-hour. So if you prefer an AM/PM clock, you're out of luck. Such a basic small thing hasn't worked since beta 1 and still doesn't. It's not getting released until that's fixed.

Clock up in the corner shows 11:22pm here.. Haven't seen 24 hour time once during beta 2 or 3.
 

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I'd say no earlier than maybe next week, maybe even next month.

iPadOS shared components can shake out a bunch of bugs. People rely on their Macs for more important stuff (in general) than their iPads and iPhones, and Macs have a lot more edge case hardware/third party drivers/non-app store software/etc. to expose flaws....
 
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  • The scroll bar in Music doesn't work correctly, previously discussed here and not working in 11 at that time.
  • Sorting the Songs view in Music by 'Album by Artist' doesn't persist across a quit, which is a regression from iTunes.
  • Taking a screenshot of Notification Centre via Cmd-Shift-4 produces a 'double-width' screenshot.

All seem fixed; Scroll bar works, Sort by album by artist had the expected ordering for me and persisted when II quit and the screenshot was as expected, but the notification centre is also entirely reworked.

  • The infamous 2020 iMac graphics corruption issue.
  • Entire machine freezing after spending some time in 3D apps, which some people think is a memory leak in the AMD driver (and I'm inclined to agree, since rebooting before doing any 3D work seems to keep it stable, but this needs more testing).

That's also an issue in Catlina?! Here I was blaming Big Sur for that since I only had Catalina on this iMac a few days before going to Big Sur. I would never have thought Apple would have release-level software with such a severe issue. One would imagine they'd get hardware returns and a lot of RMA to deal with when releasing something like that. I've really been waiting for a Big Sur release to hopefully get this fixed. - Considered going back to Catalina for this issue. Guess that won't help.

  • The Library and Downloads tabs in the TV app don't let you press the first letter of a show to jump to it; they always jump to the last entry in the list. This is a regression from iTunes.

Well.... It's not strictly speaking fixed it seems, but it doesn't jump to the last entry... It's just that nothing at all happens for me, haha

  • After powering off the machine to recover from the 3D crash, Finder windows in the 'Network' section showed the dark mode icons even when in light mode.

Could not replicate, but I won't necessarily stick my head out and say it's fixed. If it's only when rebooting after one of the 3D stuck crashes I haven't tested it; I just switched to light, rebooted and checked and it looked fine, but if/when I get another stuck in a 3D app I'll look again.

  • Finder often shows a free space count that doesn't match reality.

I'm not sure that's necessarily a bug; At least if you mean the 'issue' that's been not just since Catalina but before that as well, with APFS snapshots and purgeable storage muddying up what's free and what not - that's certainly still a thing.

  • One of my albums in Music is appearing as two different albums, with some tracks in one and others in the other. Quitting and restarting Music randomly changes which tracks show in which. They're also not in the right order, e.g. track 15 is showing before track 14.
  • In Sys Prefs/General, if you switch between the various accent and highlight colour options too many times then they'll go out of whack, e.g. I currently have Blue selected for both yet the UI elements are purple.
  • And I've only seen this once, but I woke the machine from sleep the other day and only the left half of the screen 'woke up' immediately. The other half remained black for about half a second.

Never had these issues - though as for the accent colour... We now have dynamic accent colour. Wish the menu bar would still light up in your selected colour when clicking a top level menu item though.

Clock up in the corner shows 11:22pm here.. Haven't seen 24 hour time once during beta 2 or 3.

Is your locale 12-hour by default? My locale is 24-hour default and I can't change it - Perhaps it just stays with whatever your default is so you can't make it 24-hours? Or change any other menu-bar clock settings for that matter. In beta 1 the whole menu was greyed out but since then it's been clickable but non-functional
 

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Could not replicate, but I won't necessarily stick my head out and say it's fixed. If it's only when rebooting after one of the 3D stuck crashes I haven't tested it; I just switched to light, rebooted and checked and it looked fine, but if/when I get another stuck in a 3D app I'll look again.
I fully agree that that's not an easy one to test and I was just documenting it for completeness. Thanks for testing the other stuff!
 
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I fully agree that that's not an easy one to test and I was just documenting it for completeness. Thanks for testing the other stuff!

No problem... But seriously, the graphical corruptions and such are the bane of my existence. I bought the iMac 2020 with top of the line GPU specifically for good graphics performance and it's fu**ed. At least Final Cut isn't affected it seems, n'or Motion
 

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Is your locale 12-hour by default? My locale is 24-hour default and I can't change it - Perhaps it just stays with whatever your default is so you can't make it 24-hours? Or change any other menu-bar clock settings for that matter. In beta 1 the whole menu was greyed out but since then it's been clickable but non-functional

Aha just checked and yeah, that whole page in the Date and Time system prefs is 'greyed out' and unchecking nothing else in Date and Time let me set those. Im in California so yeah we're 12 hour, my Mac has just been that way since day 1 so I guess it sticks with what you had before, and won't let you bounce back and forth now..


I am noticing something up with incorrect storage sizes though.. Nothing to do with APFS, I have folders all over the place, including most of my sample library, that all say "Zero bytes" yet some of these sample collections are GB. Its all there in the folder, but the Finder just randomly shows Zero bytes. I just took a screenshot of one of my sample folders, there's about 680MB worth of samples in just these directories.. There's a ton of these all over my drives, and so far none of them are on the one APFS drive, the MacHD, these are all HFS+ spinners I store my samples and Logic projects on, along with my giant 'storage' drive where all my docs/music/etc live now on the Mac mini..

EDIT: Just checked CMD+I on one of those folders and that's showing "Zero bytes for 0 items" and apparently Disk Utility cant unmount anything to run First Aid either heh.
 

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Where did you see that mentioned?

every years it’s like this we done get max is till mid to late October the final release and we are in beta 6 not another two betas till beta 8 for sure just like iOS 14

Mac OS is always 2-3 weeks after iOS 14 release
 
every years it’s like this we done get max is till mid to late October the final release and we are in beta 6 not another two betas till beta 8 for sure just like iOS 14

Mac OS is always 2-3 weeks after iOS 14 release
So you are basing that on recent history, correct? That seems reasonable, as I've seen the release date of a new mac OS slip from late September to somewhere in October.

But maybe it's for the best, so that Apple can work out as many bugs as possible. Catalina is still rock solid (at least for me), so the initial release slipping is no concern to me.
 

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  • The infamous 2020 iMac graphics corruption issue.
  • Entire machine freezing after spending some time in 3D apps, which some people think is a memory leak in the AMD driver (and I'm inclined to agree, since rebooting before doing any 3D work seems to keep it stable, but this needs more testing).

Still an issue in the just released beta - Did you have a link to another thread with a lot of other people with this issue because part of me fears I have bad hardware, haha - Works fine most of the time but if I open a 3D metal program it's all messed up and/or eventual just breaks everything


Also the 24/12 hour clock issue is still present but clock preferences have been moved in System preferences
 
Yeah, but only from .4 minor version ;) Prior this it was chaos in some cases.
I started with V10.15.3 of Catalina, and all was well. Same with V10.15.4, but V10.15.5 caused issues with SuperDuper! (SD) (and Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC)). So I went back to V10.15.4, and then upgraded to V10.15.6 (issue with SD and CCC was fixed). All is well, and it works flawlessly.

I surmise that I will not be "upgrading" to Big Sur until at least V11.3 (and maybe V11.4), as Tech Tool Pro (based on prior history) will not have a compatible version ready until around that time. No porblemo though (as Arnie says), as Catalina works well, and there is nothing earth shattering in Big Sur that I must have.
 
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Still an issue in the just released beta - Did you have a link to another thread with a lot of other people with this issue because part of me fears I have bad hardware, haha - Works fine most of the time but if I open a 3D metal program it's all messed up and/or eventual just breaks everything
I'm afraid I don't have a link. I've seen other threads about it but wasn't able to re-find them when I needed to!
 

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beta 7 today and there will be beta 8 and than GM watch
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So you are basing that on recent history, correct? That seems reasonable, as I've seen the release date of a new mac OS slip from late September to somewhere in October.

But maybe it's for the best, so that Apple can work out as many bugs as possible. Catalina is still rock solid (at least for me), so the initial release slipping is no concern to me.
well beta 7 dropped today, and beta 8 will drop in 2 weeks or so, and than GM and that will be mid oct or so
 
beta 7 today and there will be beta 8 and than GM watch
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well beta 7 dropped today, and beta 8 will drop in 2 weeks or so, and than GM and that will be mid oct or so
Cool! I will actually want to test Big Sur on one of my external SSDs, but not until V11.1 is released. I suspect that even then, a number of my critical third party applications will not yet be compatible. That's OK, as I have gone through this before.
 

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I'm afraid I don't have a link. I've seen other threads about it but wasn't able to re-find them when I needed to!

Well Bootcamp issues were fixed with the latest beta, so I could now install Windows dual boot which I couldn't before (at least the Bootcamp way). And could play Sekiro 4K max settings under Windows with 0 issues so that all but completely rules out hardware issues in my mind - Apple's got driver issues on their hands :/
 

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I print to our Canon just fine here over wifi. I had to print out a job application and then scan it so I could email it back a couple weeks ago. Thankfully everything worked perfectly, started the new job on Monday heh.
 
I print to our Canon just fine here over wifi. I had to print out a job application and then scan it so I could email it back a couple weeks ago. Thankfully everything worked perfectly, started the new job on Monday heh.
Cool! That means the printer drivers that come with Big Sur are fine, at least with he printers tested above. I suspect my Canon MX890 printer will work fine.
 

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I'm afraid I don't have a link. I've seen other threads about it but wasn't able to re-find them when I needed to!

Did you have a link to another thread with a lot of other people with this issue

Found it! This one is the main one I was thinking of, although that one's talking about KPs rather than actual freezes. In any case, it looks like it could be the same root cause.
 
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