Sooooo iOS 8 anyone?

[jrswizzle]

I'm gonna be honest here, I give 0 ****s about who implemented which feature first. I use both OS's and I want both to improve.

Yup - and really it isn't ever about who implemented something first. That's where I want to make the distinction. Both platforms implement similar features very differently.

So one may present a feature first, but neither "implements" it first because neither implements a feature the way the other does.

Just a pet peeve of mine that I find causes a lot of arguments.

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- Still no file browser.
- Still can't download files from the web and manage them easily with a file explorer.
- Still can't tweak the UI with launchers, themes, etc.
- Still no emulators.
- Still no app for downloading torrents.
- Still no MxPlayer.
- Still no multiuser support in tablets.
- Still no on screen navigation bar.
- Still no back button.
- Still no true multitasking to allow apps like tTorrent to download torrents in the background while doing something else.
- Still no way to manage pictures by folders in the photos app I think.

Great seeing Swype, extensions, better AirDrop with Macs, widgets, etc.

Seems like iCloud Drive works similarly to a file system. You can't mess with system files, but you can see all sorts of different files there and its a dedicated app.

Most of your stuff seems pretty specific (i.e. app related).

 

[bunchofpenguins]

- Still no file browser.
- Still can't download files from the web and manage them easily with a file explorer.
- Still can't tweak the UI with launchers, themes, etc.
- Still no emulators.
- Still no app for downloading torrents.
- Still no MxPlayer.
- Still no multiuser support in tablets.
- Still no on screen navigation bar.
- Still no back button.
- Still no true multitasking to allow apps like tTorrent to download torrents in the background while doing something else.
- Still no way to manage pictures by folders in the photos app I think.

Great seeing Swype, extensions, better AirDrop with Macs, widgets, etc.

So you basically want them to stop all development on everything else and focus on things that less than 1% of the userbase care about?

 

[gotluck]

So you basically want them to stop all development on everything else and focus on things that less than 1% of the userbase care about?

well the only reason that 1% of the userbase cares is because many of the people that care have already moved to android

 

[bunchofpenguins]

iOS Android looks familiar... I'm sure I've seen all this somewhere before...

This doesn't even make sense considering the features that people claim are "copied" are implemented in vastly different methods. Unless you're claiming that Android invented the ability to have two apps talk to each other, in which case you should ignore the fact that desktops could do that for far longer.

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well the only reason that 1% of the userbase cares is because many of the people that care have already moved to android

Except that the majority of people on Android don't even care about that except for device hackers.

 

[gotluck]

Except that the majority of people on Android don't even care about that except for device hackers.

the things on that list have very little to do with 'hacking'

go look at the app download counts for file managers, mx player, torrent clients, launchers, basically anything on his list etc.... many many many people... many many downloads

 

[Lloydbm41]

Is there really anything that was COPIED - literally the same iteration - from Android to iPhone?

Yes some features, like ability to use 3rd party keyboards, have been taken "from Android" - but COPIED?

Are we sure we know what the word means? It's like the word "innovation" - its uttered so many times in the Android v iOS war, its lost its meaning amid the nonsense fanboys on both sides spew.

Any feature Apple implements moving forward will have the "Apple" design/polish on it. Same on the other side. While the feature itself may be the same or similar, the distinction in implementation is key.

Just had to get that out

I said it was a good thing that features were copied, didn't I? Having multiple keyboard options, a better utilized notification center, better word/spell suggestions, widget utilization, push-pull text/app data, spotlight search, etc were things I was looking for.
For the forest time in a long time, I feel that IOS has given me the features I need. And that is why I said copying of Android features was a good thing. Don't take that as an offensive comment.

 

[Vegastouch]

Is there really anything that was COPIED - literally the same iteration - from Android to iPhone?

Yes some features, like ability to use 3rd party keyboards, have been taken "from Android" - but COPIED?

Are we sure we know what the word means? It's like the word "innovation" - its uttered so many times in the Android v iOS war, its lost its meaning amid the nonsense fanboys on both sides spew.

Any feature Apple implements moving forward will have the "Apple" design/polish on it. Same on the other side. While the feature itself may be the same or similar, the distinction in implementation is key.

Just had to get that out

Well yeah but who is complaining? Health is copied. Maybe not to a T but the idea is copied. Also iOS is getting widgets implemented into Siri which is copied from Android as well. Those are good features and it only make iOS better.


Im not complaining and ill say this....Nobody would be getting these things with Steve Jobs still in charge. The screen would probably still be 3.5". Hats off to Cook for allowing way overdue things to make iOS better without having to wait for the 3 or 4 man team of Cydia finding a way to jailbreak it. I love Google now and the things it does without me asking and it looks like Siri will be doing some of that now too.

iOS still doesnt do many things i would like it to but i will at least go check one out at TMo when it comes out......of course with the bigger screen. Im possitive it will have a bigger screen but if for some reason it doesnt, then im not interested a bit.

 

[0dev]

This doesn't even make sense considering the features that people claim are "copied" are implemented in vastly different methods. Unless you're claiming that Android invented the ability to have two apps talk to each other, in which case you should ignore the fact that desktops could do that for far longer.

Keyboard? Exactly the same as Android.

iCloud Drive? Android and Windows Phone both had this years ago.

Interactive notifications? Android.

Talking to the phone to activate the voice assistant? Android.

Widgets? Android. Except iOS made them less useful by only putting them on the dropdown menu.

The only original feature is talking to Yosemite, which admittedly is pretty cool, but that rest is just keeping up with Android.

 

[lazard]

Yup - and really it isn't ever about who implemented something first. That's where I want to make the distinction. Both platforms implement similar features very differently.

So one may present a feature first, but neither "implements" it first because neither implements a feature the way the other does.

Just a pet peeve of mine that I find causes a lot of arguments.

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Seems like iCloud Drive works similarly to a file system. You can't mess with system files, but you can see all sorts of different files there and its a dedicated app.

Most of your stuff seems pretty specific (i.e. app related).

iCloud is only viable if you're on wifi or have a grandfathered unlimited data plan.

 

[Vegastouch]

Interesting. Ideally I'd like to pull PDFs from drop box and push them into replies. I'll have to look for some video on that docking feature

Google Drive

 

[bunchofpenguins]

Keyboard? Exactly the same as Android.

iCloud Drive? Android and Windows Phone both had this years ago.

Interactive notifications? Android.

Talking to the phone to activate the voice assistant? Android.

Widgets? Android. Except iOS made them less useful by only putting them on the dropdown menu.

The only original feature is talking to Yosemite, which admittedly is pretty cool, but that rest is just keeping up with Android.

Customizable keyboards have been on PCs for a long time before Android.

Actionable notifications were hardly invented by Android.

Voice activation, again, was not invented by Android.

Widgets have been in OS X since Tiger.

Any more?

 

[TechGod]

- Still no file browser.
- Still can't download files from the web and manage them easily with a file explorer.
Don't see the point in both, never use them anyways. At most I download PDF's and iOS allows that
- Still can't tweak the UI with launchers, themes, etc.
What ever floats your boat. But now you can change your keyboard.
- Still no emulators.
iOS games section in App Store. Oh and iEmulator that works on non-jailbroken devices
- Still no app for downloading torrents.
Just why?
- Still no MxPlayer.
What's wrong with the default music app? Legitimate question.
- Still no multiuser support in tablets.
Ok...
- Still no on screen navigation bar.
No need with the home button. Would make the 5S screen way too small.
- Still no back button.
Swipeback gesture.
- Still no true multitasking to allow apps like tTorrent to download torrents in the background while doing something else.
Is background app refresh not the same thing? Pretty sure DropBox uploads in more than 15mins
- Still no way to manage pictures by folders in the photos app I think.
Not sure about this one.
Great seeing Swype, extensions, better AirDrop with Macs, widgets, etc.

Answers in bold.

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Well yeah but who is complaining? Health is copied. Maybe not to a T but the idea is copied. Also iOS is getting widgets implemented into Siri which is copied from Android as well. Those are good features and it only make iOS better.


Im not complaining and ill say this....Nobody would be getting these things with Steve Jobs still in charge. The screen would probably still be 3.5". Hats off to Cook for allowing way overdue things to make iOS better without having to wait for the 3 or 4 man team of Cydia finding a way to jailbreak it. I love Google now and the things it does without me asking and it looks like Siri will be doing some of that now too.

iOS still doesnt do many things i would like it to but i will at least go check one out at TMo when it comes out......of course with the bigger screen. Im possitive it will have a bigger screen but if for some reason it doesnt, then im not interested a bit.

Thank Scott got kicked. Think he was holding iOS back.

No one seems to notice that. Apple would be neck and neck had Scott not been all controlling.

 

[0dev]

Customizable keyboards have been on PCs for a long time before Android.

Actionable notifications were hardly invented by Android.

Voice activation, again, was not invented by Android.

Widgets have been in OS X since Tiger.

Any more?

I'm not getting into an argument about where they originally came from because some of these features might have been in Palm OS or Windows 2000 a few decades ago, that's irrelevant.

The fact is they all came to Android years before iOS. Simple as that.

 

[TechGod]

Yup - and really it isn't ever about who implemented something first. That's where I want to make the distinction. Both platforms implement similar features very differently.

So one may present a feature first, but neither "implements" it first because neither implements a feature the way the other does.

Just a pet peeve of mine that I find causes a lot of arguments.

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Seems like iCloud Drive works similarly to a file system. You can't mess with system files, but you can see all sorts of different files there and its a dedicated app.

Most of your stuff seems pretty specific (i.e. app related).

iCloud Drive looks good.

I'll watch the WWDC vid when I get home and then find out how to get my parents to get me an iPhone for my Birthday or Christmas...

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I'm not getting into an argument about where they originally came from because some of these features might have been in Palm OS or Windows 2000 a few decades ago, that's irrelevant.

The fact is they all came to Android years before iOS. Simple as that.

Doesn't mean Android made them though. Therefore your copying argument also just collapsed.

This thread wasn't about screaming "COPY COPY" it was about seeing if people thought Apple was opening up and would switch back.

 

[Sensamic]

Question, if you can already have all of those needs met in Android, why hope that they're implemented in iOS? You're basically hoping iOS becomes what Android is--why? What would including those in iOS do to make convince you to use it when you can already do all of it? Serious question.

I don't want iOS to become Android. The points I made are BASIC functionality I need. Just that.

I need a file explorer, and yet iOS still doesn't have one while Android and WP do.

I need to download files from the web and manage them easily. On iOS it is actually a pain to do so.

Basic functionality ANY OS should have.

Some other points are just preferences, like an app to download torrents.

 

[0dev]

Doesn't mean Android made them though. Therefore your copying argument also just collapsed.

This thread wasn't about screaming "COPY COPY" it was about seeing if people thought Apple was opening up and would switch back.

Please point to where I used the word "copy."

 

[Mackie924]

Yeah, no File Manger is deal-killer for me, alongside the iOS7 aesthetic that I will never be able to get my head around.

 

[mib1800]

iCloud Drive looks good.

I'll watch the WWDC vid when I get home and then find out how to get my parents to get me an iPhone for my Birthday or Christmas...

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Doesn't mean Android made them though. Therefore your copying argument also just collapsed.

This thread wasn't about screaming "COPY COPY" it was about seeing if people thought Apple was opening up and would switch back.

Dont worry. We will very soon see those hypocritical ifans who would claimed that apple invented all that was announced in ios8 and then accuse samsung of copying them.

We just can't stand these ifans.

 

[jrswizzle]

Dont worry. We will very soon see those hypocritical ifans who would claimed that apple invented all that was announced in ios8 and then accuse samsung of copying them.

We just can't stand these ifans.

I'm convinced more and more these "ifans" you claim will comes around claiming this and that exist only in the minds of people like you who use them to discount all Apple fans....

Let the trolls troll - stop using this argument as a means to negate anything someone says as a fan of Apple and/or iOS.

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Yeah, no File Manger is deal-killer for me, alongside the iOS7 aesthetic that I will never be able to get my head around.

I think the traditional file manager is overrated and unnecessary in iOS. iCloud drive kills any need for it for me. All I want is to be able to manage and open normal files easily. This works.

Not only that, but the continuity features are killer. Seems all anyone looks at is the same base 2 or 3 features while completely ignoring some ground breaking stuff Apple is doing....like, oh I don't know...writing a new coding language.

This keynote was pretty stellar IMO. I would think the software updates coupled with the rumored hardware will make for a monster holiday quarter for Apple.

Honestly though - I've always seen this announcements through the lens of an Apple fan and user, not through the lens of "what will make others switch". So I guess I don't see things the same way many here would.

I've tried Android - its great, but just doesn't work as well for me. All the features in the world wouldn't be able to make up for the ecosystem and fact that 99% of my friends and family are on iOS and things are simpler when I am too.

Not to say I "struggle through it"....I'm the one who got them all onto iOS and OS X to being with

 

[tbayrgs]

I don't want iOS to become Android. The points I made are BASIC functionality I need. Just that.

I need a file explorer, and yet iOS still doesn't have one while Android and WP do.

I need to download files from the web and manage them easily. On iOS it is actually a pain to do so.

Basic functionality ANY OS should have.

Some other points are just preferences, like an app to download torrents.

Very little of what you highlight is BASIC functionality ANY OS should have. Much of what you're looking to do a very, very small percentage of the smartphone user base needs. You may certainly need them, but don't confuse that with the mass consumer. And as TechGod pointed out, functionality already exists in iOS to meet some of your needs, though clearly not to your specific liking. And that's fine, we all have our preferences.

But regardless, back to my original question. Everything you've highlighted is available though Android, so assuming all things being equal, why would you consider using iOS instead? Seems like all of your needs are already being met. Would iOS have to offer something you couldn't get in Android to make the switch worthwhile?

- Still no file browser.
- Still can't download files from the web and manage them easily with a file explorer.
- Still can't tweak the UI with launchers, themes, etc.
- Still no emulators.
- Still no app for downloading torrents.
- Still no MxPlayer.
- Still no multiuser support in tablets.
- Still no on screen navigation bar.
- Still no back button.
- Still no true multitasking to allow apps like tTorrent to download torrents in the background while doing something else.
- Still no way to manage pictures by folders in the photos app I think.

Great seeing Swype, extensions, better AirDrop with Macs, widgets, etc.

 

[TechGod]

I'm convinced more and more these "ifans" you claim will comes around claiming this and that exist only in the minds of people like you who use them to discount all Apple fans....

Let the trolls troll - stop using this argument as a means to negate anything someone says as a fan of Apple and/or iOS.

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I think the traditional file manager is overrated and unnecessary in iOS. iCloud drive kills any need for it for me. All I want is to be able to manage and open normal files easily. This works.

Not only that, but the continuity features are killer. Seems all anyone looks at is the same base 2 or 3 features while completely ignoring some ground breaking stuff Apple is doing....like, oh I don't know...writing a new coding language.

This keynote was pretty stellar IMO. I would think the software updates coupled with the rumored hardware will make for a monster holiday quarter for Apple.

Honestly though - I've always seen this announcements through the lens of an Apple fan and user, not through the lens of "what will make others switch". So I guess I don't see things the same way many here would.

I've tried Android - its great, but just doesn't work as well for me. All the features in the world wouldn't be able to make up for the ecosystem and fact that 99% of my friends and family are on iOS and things are simpler when I am too.

Not to say I "struggle through it"....I'm the one who got them all onto iOS and OS X to being with

I'm an Apple fan as well and the new Xcode 6 mentions bigger screened iPhone...

And a new programming language seems very promising I sonde dhow much more efficient it will be.

 

[Sensamic]

Very little of what you highlight is BASIC functionality ANY OS should have. Much of what you're looking to do a very, very small percentage of the smartphone user base needs. You may certainly need them, but don't confuse that with the mass consumer. And as TechGod pointed out, functionality already exists in iOS to meet some of your needs, though clearly not to your specific liking. And that's fine, we all have our preferences.

But regardless, back to my original question. Everything you've highlighted is available though Android, so assuming all things being equal, why would you consider using iOS instead? Seems like all of your needs are already being met. Would iOS have to offer something you couldn't get in Android to make the switch worthwhile?

That's why I said those points are basic functionality for me, not for the masses.

I actually want ALL those features in EVERY OS: iOS, Android, WP, etc. That way I can move from one OS to the other and not be a "prisoner" of only one (being Android in this case).

It is negative that I can only find those features in just one OS: Android. Why can't I have them all in iOS and WP too?

That's why I like every company to copy each other.

It is no benefit to anyone if certain features can only be found in one OS.

I'll give you a quick example:

I was a Windows PC user before, but I started hating it and decided to move to OS X. Certain functionality is there same as in Windows, but some isn't (like the ability to rename a bunch of files easily in the Finder which Windows has). Whenever I want to leave Android (if ever) I want to have an alternative that meets the basic functionality I need, just the basic. Everything else can be different (just like from Windows to OS X).

 

[maflynn]

I'm not really jazzed up about iOS8, its not an update that will drive me back to the iPhone. Maybe the iPhone 6 will with its own design but I'm content with what I have so I kind of doubt that.

 

[bunchofpenguins]

I'm not getting into an argument about where they originally came from because some of these features might have been in Palm OS or Windows 2000 a few decades ago, that's irrelevant.

The fact is they all came to Android years before iOS. Simple as that.

Which means absolutely nothing except to rabid fanboys of either side.

 

[Lloydbm41]

Yeah, no File Manger is deal-killer for me, alongside the iOS7 aesthetic that I will never be able to get my head around.

Maybe someone can clarify this for me. Is this new version of iCloud Drive basically a simple file manager for your iphone/ipad, as in it mimics your phones non-root files? If it is, then this just negated the need for an onboard file system. (unless you are without a signal or Wi-Fi, then you are kind of screwed.)