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I don't know why but referring to music as "content" feels wrong in a way that referring to stuff like podcasts, movies, videos, audiobooks, etc doesn't.
That's basically what an all-you-can-eat buffet of "content" has resulted in. When people have access to more music and shows that they have time to listen / watch at any one time, it becomes commoditised and disposable and ceases to become anything special. It's just something you play when you have time to kill or want some background noise to do your work to. What is actually being played doesn't matter any more.
 
I'd argue that both Apple and Spotify should be shooting for where Tidal is or beyond. Apple especially can easily afford to be the highest paying.
The organization that represents record labels and musicians in negotiations should demand a higher rate from the streaming services. If the streaming services refuse, the music can be pulled.
 
Given the limited range of music people actually listen to we will soon reach a price for streaming services where purchasing the actual album will start making sense again... everyone else will probably just aim for the high seas.
 
The organization that represents record labels and musicians in negotiations should demand a higher rate from the streaming services. If the streaming services refuse, the music can be pulled.
Yep, there are a lot of questionable actors in this equation. But Apple, for all it's talk of being for artists and creators and blah blah blah, do have it in their power to do this even without label pressure. They could even use it as a point of difference in advertising. Just another reminder to anyone who needs it that corporations are never the good guys.
 
Apparently you're crying a river for no one because the artists aren't leaving Spotify.

Why would artists leave? Being on any platform is free for them, so any smart artist would keep their creations on as many platforms as possible for added revenue streams. It is more for us, the customers, to choose which business model we want to support. Luckily for us, the audio catalogues are almost the same across all of them.
 
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Ha! How many of us left thousands in vinyl. After that, thousands in CD's. Now you've gotta pay monthly... Nope... Thanks to the big HHD's, i have all my stuff at home. So - i decide, which album i need in high def, 16/44 or less. They don't even catch me with some funny formats. We had Quadrophonie, Dolby, Souround n the 70s and 80s. No need for that...
 
All these companies really are just this ballsy nowadays aren’t they? Years ago, a company would have wrapped a price increase in something like „now with Spotify HiFi“ or something like that but nope, now they just do it (yearly).

F that
 
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How I hate the term "user experience"! That term usually is used as an excuse to make things worse. Spotify is for listening to music. I do not need an experience.
 
I'd argue that both Apple and Spotify should be shooting for where Tidal is or beyond. Apple especially can easily afford to be the highest paying.
Why shouldn't they pay the same. Why should Apple pay more to artists, because they make money making phones?
 
Why does anyone pay for this extremely poor service.
I pay for it, and of the services I pay for, I will be the last one I leave.

The reasons are simple:
1. It does a fantastic job at recommending new music for me (but admittedly, could do quite a bit better at how it recommends songs to add to playlists). Deezer, when I used it, came a close second on this.
2. More importantly, unless I want to return to the disaster that is manually managing music on my Garmin, Spotify works for using music on the watch. Albeit, I have not tried using Deezer for this.

Not that Spotify is perfect though. Far from it. For example, I at first thought I would try audio books when it launched, only to discover I can't load books onto the watch.

My one gripe with Spotify, which is seen on all streaming services, is the loss of content due to licencing changes. Nothing like thinking 'I would like to listen to...', only to find out it is no longer available in your region.

A second would be (and might well apply to all services), is the ease at which anything can get onto the platform, resulting in too much stuff to go through to find things you like (I miss the 'sit down and listen to an album' days a bit).
 
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So where is all the rest of the money going? Who knows?
Spotify keeps 30% of the earnings. 70% goes to the rights holders. The rights holders can be the artists themselves depending on the deals they make, the record labels, songwriters, the producers... So for 10.000 streams the owner of the rights get 40 Euros. Which is not much, but comparable for someone selling demo tapes out of his trunk, like an artist who has not made it yet.
 
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Apparently you're crying a river for no one because the artists aren't leaving Spotify.
They might not be leaving Spotify but they are still not earning anything if they are not super big. I know a few with hundreds of thousands streams and it's a joke.
 
I was using Spotify for years, but now I’m thinking to move to YouTube Music. Anyway I pay for the ad free YouTube, no reason to pay for music separately.
 
Never used it. I buy physical CD’s of the artists I play most to support them better, and discover new stuff to buy via Bandcamp and YouTube.
 
When the topic of discussion here is about iPhone users wanting to be able to sideload apps on their iPhones, your response is that if they don't like the way things are, they can go create their own smartphone and app store, or buy and Android phone.

Well, if artists feel they're not being paid enough (technically, Spotify pays the labels who in turn pay the artists based on an agreed upon licensing contact), why aren't you telling the artists to go create their own streaming service or only make their music available on a service that will pay them better?

Just like how Apple is not a charity and are in the business to make money, so too is Spotify. Why the double standard? Why should Spotify pay more than they need to?

Artists such as Kayne West and Jay Z did start their own streaming service. It's called Tidal and they were one of the first to offer high-quality audio (which Spotify still doesn't do in 2024).

And Spotify is a joke. Demanding more expensive prices but not offering lossless audio like the others. And these guys are still the dominate market player with an inferior product. So these guys were not hindered by the App Store at all like what they claim to be.
 
At this point, why are you all still paying for Spotify?

1) They pay amongst the worst rates in the industry.

2) Apple Music offers more features like spatial / lossless audio and has its own classical music app, plus it's better integrated with Apple devices.

3) They are flushing money down the toilet via numerous questionable business decisions, from their free tier (a loss leader) to their foray into advertising to bankrolling controversial figures like Joe Rogan.

4) The Spotify app has now become a catch-all for services including podcasts and audiobooks, meaning users who don't care for them are essentially subsidising these services for those who do. Contrast this with the Apple Music app, which remains focused on streaming and nothing else.

If I were Apple, I would stick with their current pricing, and slowly starve Spotify out.
Knowing Apple, sticking to their current pricing is highly unlikely to happen.
 
This increase is most likely to compensate for the CTF Spotify will be required to pay when they start distributing the app on alternative app stores.

Then Spotify can complain to the EU that they needed to raise prices because of Apple's "anticompetitive practices". And the merry-go-round will go merrily around again and again.
 
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