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I'll just add a line here - always fun when a particular actor is allowed to perform multiple roles. Both Ethan Phillips and Jeffrey Combs come to mind. Jeffrey managed to play two species during the same episode of DS9. Also spanning out to play different species would be Tim Russ. Some people may not like using the same actor but each knew their craft well enough to have those characters created stand apart. My personal nod goes to Jeffrey Combs.
 

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I'll just add a line here - always fun when a particular actor is allowed to perform multiple roles. Both Ethan Phillips and Jeffrey Combs come to mind. Jeffrey managed to play two species during the same episode of DS9. Also spanning out to play different species would be Tim Russ. Some people may not like using the same actor but each knew their craft well enough to have those characters created stand apart. My personal nod goes to Jeffrey Combs.
Ahh, I've always enjoyed scenes with Jeffery Combs playing some character. He played quite a few...
 
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Ahh, I've always enjoyed scenes with Jeffery Combs playing some character. He played quite a few...

I think he did 6 different characters with 3 being repeating characters. Ferengi, the clone species that worked for the Founders (changlings) in DS9 and then the Andorian in Enterprise. He also did one time roles playing other species including human.
 

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The casting of Patrick Stewart (initially, over the head of Gene Roddenberry, who wanted someone more like William Shatner - someone such as Riker - for that role) was what made STNG, in my view.

Just think of the power of two classically trained British actors - David Warner and Patrick Stewart in the stunning two part episode "Chain of Command" - this far surpasses any of the movies - any of them! - for sheer narrative power (Patrick Stewart - who is a member of Amnesty International, insisted on being shot naked for the scenes where he was tortured, a decision Jonathan Frakes described, rightly, as "extremely brave" - remember this was the early 90s)- , nail-biting tension, superb acting, stunning scripts, gripping stories.....

From series three onwards, Patrick Stewart - especially when he insisted (to the directors) on participating in more 'away missions' - made that series his own; terrific two-parters such as "Chain of Command", "Gambit" "Unification", - were gripping, and the stunning story arc of the intrigues and murder in the Klingon political power struggle - told over a number of brilliant episodes - such as "Reunion", and the two part episode "Redemption" were utterly compelling.



Remember, the original series featured the first black woman ever to appear as a commissioned officer (Lt Uhuru), the first Asian (Lt Sulu), and - after in the second season - the Soviet Government had grumbled that their advances in space, (Tsiolkovsky, Korolev, Gagarin, et all) had been dismissed, ignored, over-looked, which they muttered was American propaganda, wondering why Soviet/Russian contributions to space exploration hadn't been acknowledged or recognised by the 23rd-24th centuries - and Gene Roddenberry - to his credit - accepted that they might have had a point, and wrote Pavel Chekhov (played by Walter Koenig) into the series as a result.

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Hm, yes.

Male writers, ......this is one of the reasons you might need writers (including perhaps some women) who can supply other perspectives.

Yes, @Huntn, there must have been reasons other than the presumed pleasures of getting laid to violate the Prime Directive.

I would argue that curiosity - seeking answers to the age-old philosophical questions such as those posed by the Promethean Fire, Garden of Eden queries - in other words, intellectual curiosity - can be compelling.

I do remember the episode in question, and the point was that one of the locals stumbled over the observers and couldn't deal with it.

Then, there was the episode where Data made friends with a young girl whose planet was going supernova.

:) There may have been other reasons, but it seemed like a liberty stop on an Earth like eden was the only one mentioned.
 

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TNG was very loose with the Prime Directive (and the transporter ... and warp speed ... and ...).

I generally liked it, for me there was some episodes that were fantastic (usually with a focus on JLP), some laughably bad and a good number of mediocre-to-moderately-decent (mostly where the A story was good, but the B story was craptacular).

I found some if the subplots to be excellent given the amount of time allowed for them.
 
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I found some if the subplots to be excellent given the amount of time allowed for them.

Agreed; some of them were excellent.

Oh, by the way, did anyone else love Suzie Plaxson as the half Klingon Ambassador K'Ehleyr - a highly intelligent, witty, sardonic, brave individual (and Worf's lover/mate and his clear equal)?

She infused real life into that character, making her wonderfully warm, witty, and sympathetic, and thus, ensuring that her death was a real tragedy when she was killed.
 
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Agreed; some of them were excellent.

Oh, by the way, did anyone else love Suzie Plaxson as the half Klingon Ambassador K'Ehleyr - a highly intelligent, witty, sardonic, brave individual (and Worf's lover/mate)?

She infused real life into that character, making her wonderfully warm, witty, and sympathetic, making it a real tragedy that she was killed when she was.
I'm a fan of her character for sure, and yes I was actually shocked when she was killed - so many of the secondary characters were well-writted and played.
 

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Agreed; some of them were excellent.

Oh, by the way, did anyone else love Suzie Plaxson as the half Klingon Ambassador K'Ehleyr - a highly intelligent, witty, sardonic, brave individual (and Worf's lover/mate and his clear equal)?

She infused real life into that character, making her wonderfully warm, witty, and sympathetic, and thus, ensuring that her death was a real tragedy when she was killed.

Yes, very much so, practically crush status. ;)
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A snippet from Elementary, Dear Data - a great holodeck episode.

The Sherlock Holmes and Dixon Hill episodes rank among my favorites. :D
 
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A snippet from Elementary, Dear Data - a great holodeck episode.
My favorite scene from my favorite episodes so far. Ironically, Moriarty cannot continue his existence outside the holodeck, yet Dr. Pulaski was able to enjoy holodeck tea and scones and leave without suffering terrible gastrointestinal pains. So maybe Dr. Pulaski just needs to eat Moriarty and then regurgitate him back outside the holodeck. It's worth a shot.
 

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My favorite scene from my favorite episodes so far. Ironically, Moriarty cannot continue his existence outside the holodeck, yet Dr. Pulaski was able to enjoy holodeck tea and scones and leave without suffering terrible gastrointestinal pains. So maybe Dr. Pulaski just needs to eat Moriarty and then regurgitate him back outside the holodeck. It's worth a shot.

As I recall they end up giving him (and girlfriend?) the equivalent of a dedicated server to exist on. :)
 
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As I recall they end up giving him (and girlfriend?) the equivalent of a dedicated server to exist on. :)
I haven't made it past season two, and so far they've only sort of… shut him off—kept his information saved but inactive.
 

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He reappears in a few years....and they just spoiled the end of that episode for you!

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Speaking of Dixon Hill... :D
S1:E11- The Big Goodbye

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Picard is frazzled trying to learn a difficult greeting to open a relationship with an insect species, the Jarada. Troy suggests he takes break in the Holodeck. Accompanied by Crusher, Data, and a 20th Century expert Weyland, Picard assumes the persona of Dixon Hill Private Eye, San Francisco, 1941.

This episode borrows heavily from The Maltese Falcon. Several comedic aspects are contained in this episode, Crusher chewing gum and working on her makeup and appearance emulating a woman at police head quarters who might be described as a floozy, and Data's interpretation of his character. A scan of the ship by the Jarada screws up the holodeck, trapping them inside and removing the safety protocols putting them in serious danger.

Someone even created a shirt for purchase. :)

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I haven't made it past season two, and so far they've only sort of… shut him off—kept his information saved but inactive.

Oh, sorry. :( They are still worth watching. :)
 
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Speaking of Dixon Hill... :D
S1:E11- The Big Goodbye

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Picard is frazzled trying to learn a difficult greeting to open a relationship with an insect species, the Jarada. Troy suggests he takes break in the Holodeck. Accompanied by Crusher, Data, and a 20th Century expert Weyland, Picard assumes the persona of Dixon Hill Private Eye, San Francisco, 1941.

This episode borrows heavily from The Maltese Falcon. Several comedic aspects are contained in this episode, Crusher chewing gum and working on her makeup and appearance emulating a woman at police head quarters who might be described as a floozy, and Data's interpretation of his character. A scan of the ship by the Jarada screws up the holodeck, trapping them inside and removing the safety protocols putting them in serious danger.

Someone even created a shirt for purchase. :)

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Oh, sorry. :( They are still worth watching. :)

That was a hilarious (but intelligently hilarious) episode, and I got the distinct impression that the cast had an absolute ball - or hoot, or howl - or, simply great fun doing it.

Actually, that sort of episode showed how comfortable they were - or had become - with their "primary" characters (Picard, Crusher, Data etc.) that they could play with these characters seeking to challenge and extend themselves by further (knowingly) playing other characters who were not incompatible with their primary characters (and still make it believable) - the old "play within the play" (as in Hamlet) - hard to pull off in either theatre or cinema, but great fun - and wonderfully compelling to watch, when it has been pulled off successfully.

Against that, I did think that STNG occasionally over-used the "holodeck goes wonky and wrong" alibi a little too often: In real life, in such an environment - if something of that sort went wrong that often it would have been permanently placed Out Of Bounds until finally and firmly (and safely) fixed, mended, repaired.

But, that is a minor quibble.
 
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That was a hilarious (but intelligently hilarious) episode, and I got the distinct impression that the cast had an absolute ball - or hoot, or howl - or, simply great fun doing it.

Actually, that sort of episode showed how comfortable they were with their "primary" characters (Picard, Crusher, Data) that they could play with these characters seeking to challenge and extend themselves by further (knowingly) playing other characters who were not incompatible with their primary characters (and still make it believable) - the old "play within the play" (as in Hamlet) - hard to pull off in either theatre or cinema, but great fun - and wonderfully compelling to watch, when it has been pulled off successfully.

Against that, I did think that STNG occasionally over-used the "holodeck goes wonky and wrong" alibi a little too often: In real life, in such an environment - if something went wrong that often it would have been permanently placed Out Of Bounds until permanently (and safely) fixed, mended, repaired.

But, that is a minor quibble.

The malfunction in this episode was due to the equivalent of an electrical surge from an external source. I'll make note of the cause of future failures. :) The technology in the holodeck, equivalent to the transporter being able to scramble matter seems very dangerous to me. It was mentioned during the episode that if the wrong fix was attempted, the crew members in the holodeck could cease to exist.
 

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My favorite scene from my favorite episodes so far. Ironically, Moriarty cannot continue his existence outside the holodeck, yet Dr. Pulaski was able to enjoy holodeck tea and scones and leave without suffering terrible gastrointestinal pains. So maybe Dr. Pulaski just needs to eat Moriarty and then regurgitate him back outside the holodeck. It's worth a shot.
If you'll allow me to geek out, the holodeck also uses the same replicators found in crew quarters/mess halls, so actual food is created and can be consumed normally on the holodeck.

:D
 
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