Star Trek: Alpha to Delta Quadrants & Everything In Between

[Mousse]

Well 26 episodes back in the day. And 7 seasons. Those were the days. Although the episodes do seem a little longer, 1 hour versus 44 minutes (sans ads) in the 90s.

To be fair, the producers back then were willing to pay talented writers for their work. Unlike today where they think AI can write a passable story.😒 A lot of today's shows so many plotholes that triggers my trypophobia.😭

Now that the actors have joined the writers on strike, we'll lucky to get any more episodes that isn't in post production right now.

 

[Rafterman]

SNW S2 E5: Fantastic. I love the characters and the story. Too bad there are only 10 episodes per season in the streaming paradigm. In the good ole days we would get 24 episodes. Still, great stuff.

My only regret is that they did not have enough time in the episode to play a full-on game of charades with the Vulcan in-laws. That would have been hilarious.

Back in the day, show like Gunsmoke would have 50 new episodes a year.

 

[sjsharksfan12]

SNW S2 E5: Fantastic. I love the characters and the story. Too bad there are only 10 episodes per season in the streaming paradigm. In the good ole days we would get 24 episodes. Still, great stuff.

My only regret is that they did not have enough time in the episode to play a full-on game of charades with the Vulcan in-laws. That would have been hilarious.

I thought this last week's episode was the best episode of the season so far. I hope it isn't the last we see of T'Pring though. I really like SNW's interpretation of her.

 

[phrehdd]

Best thing about SNW and Discovery is that they make Enterprise look better and better. SNW is going the way of Discovery... just a bit slower and less sledgehammer. I really wanted SNW to be free of the Discovery taint. If one wanted to veer a bit away from the original S.T., Prodigy was a nice go at it. Pity it got canceled. I'll continue with SNW for now.

 

[bradl]

Best thing about SNW and Discovery is that they make Enterprise look better and better. SNW is going the way of Discovery... just a bit slower and less sledgehammer. I really wanted SNW to be free of the Discovery taint. If one wanted to veer a bit away from the original S.T., Prodigy was a nice go at it. Pity it got canceled. I'll continue with SNW for now.

By Enterprise, you mean ST: Enterprise?

If so, I wonder if it is time to go through the entire ST universe chronologically and see what has been filled in, let alone continued.

For example, the episode Blood Oath from ST: DS9 was on the other day (season 2, episode 19). It featured Jadzia Dax teaming up with 3 older Klingons in relation to a blood oath for vengeance that Curzon Dax had taken with them. The interesting thing with it is that the actors who played the three Klingons - Kor, Koloth, and Kang - reprised their roles as Klingons as they had first appeared in TOS (one in the episode Errand of Mercy, another in The Trouble with Tribbles), and even one was already in TNG in the season 7 episode, The Sword of Kahless. What made it really cool to see was that it was the original actors who played those roles 30 years before this episode to actually come back to play those characters again.

It would be fun to see how characters outside the main cast have their journey across the timeline, let alone across different series.

BL.

 

[Rafterman]

Best thing about SNW and Discovery is that they make Enterprise look better and better. SNW is going the way of Discovery... just a bit slower and less sledgehammer. I really wanted SNW to be free of the Discovery taint. If one wanted to veer a bit away from the original S.T., Prodigy was a nice go at it. Pity it got canceled. I'll continue with SNW for now.

Exactly what is Discovery "taint?" SNW is just like TOS, episodic, not serial. Discovery is serialized, which many people do not like.

 

[Mousse]

Exactly what is Discovery "taint?" SNW is just like TOS, episodic, not serial. Discovery is serialized, which many people do not like.

Discovery ruined the Klingons for one. Was it necessary to change the Klingon look...again? Yes, the Movie/TNG/DS9 Klingon look was a great improvement on the human looking TOS Klingon, so I can forgive the change. They look more fearsome, worthy of a species of warriors. STD Klingons though...why?😫

Create a new species or rework a minor/failed species (like DS9 saving the Ferengi/improved the Trill).🤨 The only thing good I can say about Discovery was the mind blowing F/X, pure eyegasm that.

 

[Rafterman]

Discovery ruined the Klingons for one. Was it necessary to change the Klingon look...again? Yes, the Movie/TNG/DS9 Klingon look was a great improvement on the human looking TOS Klingon, so I can forgive the change. They look more fearsome, worthy of a species of warriors. STD Klingons though...why?😫

Create a new species or rework a minor/failed species (like DS9 saving the Ferengi/improved the Trill).🤨 The only thing good I can say about Discovery was the mind blowing F/X, pure eyegasm that.

I agree that there was no reason to change the Klingons. But Enterprise explained the TNG era Klingons and SNW cleverly showed a few Discovery Klingons mixed in with TNG Klingons. I would be curious to see SNW's explanation of why there is yet a third type of Klingon (Discovery's kind).

 

[phrehdd]

Discovery ruined the Klingons for one. Was it necessary to change the Klingon look...again? Yes, the Movie/TNG/DS9 Klingon look was a great improvement on the human looking TOS Klingon, so I can forgive the change. They look more fearsome, worthy of a species of warriors. STD Klingons though...why?😫

Create a new species or rework a minor/failed species (like DS9 saving the Ferengi/improved the Trill).🤨 The only thing good I can say about Discovery was the mind blowing F/X, pure eyegasm that.

I can certainly see for many how the Klingon change would be a challenge for many. I thought the "culture" of the Klingons was interesting and flushed out in a way that was very warrior-Klingon like with all their own intrigues. If instead the used the more familiar Klingon look and such, do you think you would have enjoyed the storyline that was used in Discovery?

I had way too many issues with Disco save for the mirror-verse which was reasonably well dovetailed in with the original series and Enterprise. Michelle Yeoh is what kept me coming back again and again. I guess I am a fan of hers. I can tell you what really bothered me about Disco but alas, some here get all 'bunched up' on that topic.

 

[Mousse]

I can certainly see for many how the Klingon change would be a challenge for many. I thought the "culture" of the Klingons was interesting and flushed out in a way that was very warrior-Klingon like with all their own intrigues. If instead the used the more familiar Klingon look and such, do you think you would have enjoyed the storyline that was used in Discovery?

Discovery pooped on all previous Star Trek lore. Where did these bald Uruk-hai Klingon hide all those years that they never appeared on any Federation databases? Supposedly those Klingons were ultra-conservative followers of Kahless. Kahless had hair y'all. Heck the first bat'leth was made when Kahless dipped locks of his hair in lava. Those ultra-conservative Klingons should have had flowing manes.😤

And spore drive. No mention of that in the Federation database. They would have used that technology to bring Voyager back from the Delta Quadrant, mass their forces and out maneuver the Dominion. Federation ships already travel at the speed of plot😉, so there was no need to BS instantaneous travel.

Let's assume Spock had everyone silenced under threat, the Tal Shiar surely would have stolen information about spore drive before everything was shuttered. High ranking Kirk era Romulans could pass for Vulcans. Low ranking Romulans didn't have pointy ears.😏 TOS: Balance of Terror, only Centurions and higher had pointy ears.

Pre-Kirk Federation targeting computers able to lock onto a cloaked ship. Kirk era and beyond couldn't lock onto a cloaked ship.

I couldn't stand all the non-canon BS in Disco, so I take it in small bits at a time.

 

[MacMan2013]

Did not take to Discovery at all. It really did ruin the Klingons, it's not just the look but the whole culture. They look and act like Orcs, they are two-dimensional. There is little focus on character building, which is something Trek has done so well over the decades. It's just an effects-fest with no substance. With the exception of the J.J. Abrams trilogy of movies, I like all other Treks to some degree or another. I gave up on Discovery after four episodes and I'm unlikely to try it again. It's just no Star Trek to me. And I think the development of shows like SNW that have more of a traditional style shows that many people (probably long standing Trek fans) feel that way.

 

[phrehdd]

Discovery pooped on all previous Star Trek lore. Where did these bald Uruk-hai Klingon hide all those years that they never appeared on any Federation databases? Supposedly those Klingons were ultra-conservative followers of Kahless. Kahless had hair y'all. Heck the first bat'leth was made when Kahless dipped locks of his hair in lava. Those ultra-conservative Klingons should have had flowing manes.😤

And spore drive. No mention of that in the Federation database. They would have used that technology to bring Voyager back from the Delta Quadrant, mass their forces and out maneuver the Dominion. Federation ships already travel at the speed of plot😉, so there was no need to BS instantaneous travel.

Let's assume Spock had everyone silenced under threat, the Tal Shiar surely would have stolen information about spore drive before everything was shuttered. High ranking Kirk era Romulans could pass for Vulcans. Low ranking Romulans didn't have pointy ears.😏 TOS: Balance of Terror, only Centurions and higher had pointy ears.

Pre-Kirk Federation targeting computers able to lock onto a cloaked ship. Kirk era and beyond couldn't lock onto a cloaked ship.

I couldn't stand all the non-canon BS in Disco, so I take it in small bits at a time.

I appreciate your take on some of the story line being far enough from original ST that it makes the show suspect.

I'll simply say the mirror universe was a plus for me in how they handled it. Some may disagree but it was flushed in just enough that it could have been its own show or rather split the show and alternate between them with a couple of cross overs if desired. My dislikes - broccoli boy has a tantrum and that is all it takes to wipe out the Federation. What a miserable vehicle for a storyline. Even worse is, when one thinks about it, NONE of the shows we have seen to date mattered as the Federation would be flushed down the toilet. Soon we had a ship ran by Michael and her gal pals and men put mostly in secondary roles. Btw, the same now is starting to happen to SNW and we have seen Spock turned in to a Vulcan cuckold.

 

[Rafterman]

I appreciate your take on some of the story line being far enough from original ST that it makes the show suspect.

I'll simply say the mirror universe was a plus for me in how they handled it. Some may disagree but it was flushed in just enough that it could have been its own show or rather split the show and alternate between them with a couple of cross overs if desired. My dislikes - broccoli boy has a tantrum and that is all it takes to wipe out the Federation. What a miserable vehicle for a storyline. Even worse is, when one thinks about it, NONE of the shows we have seen to date mattered as the Federation would be flushed down the toilet. Soon we had a ship ran by Michael and her gal pals and men put mostly in secondary roles. Btw, the same now is starting to happen to SNW and we have seen Spock turned in to a Vulcan cuckold.

After 60 years of men running the ship and gals in secondary (if any) roles, sans Janeway of course, the bridge of the Discovery will be a lot more accurate representation of the distant future than any other we've seen. And Spock has been a "cuckold" twice in 15 episodes. SNW has a welcome sense of humor, its not always as downer, like Discovery can be.

 

[bradl]

After 60 years of men running the ship and gals in secondary (if any) roles, sans Janeway of course, the bridge of the Discovery will be a lot more accurate representation of the distant future than any other we've seen. And Spock has been a "cuckold" twice in 15 episodes. SNW has a welcome sense of humor, its not always as downer, like Discovery can be.

USS Enterprise G may trump what SNW does. Female Captain, female FO, Female Conn, Female Chief Engineer.. then Crusher. I see Crusher being either a more humorous Wesley or Paris.

BL.

 

[Rafterman]

USS Enterprise G may trump what SNW does. Female Captain, female FO, Female Conn, Female Chief Engineer.. then Crusher. I see Crusher being either a more humorous Wesley or Paris.

BL.

I would look forward to Captain Seven of Nine. But Paramount is cutting back on ST it seems, not going in more. But like Section 31, maybe a movie about the Enterprise-G?

 

[Doctor Q]

What do you guys think of the 11 episodes of Star Trek Continues, the web-based series?

 

[phrehdd]

USS Enterprise G may trump what SNW does. Female Captain, female FO, Female Conn, Female Chief Engineer.. then Crusher. I see Crusher being either a more humorous Wesley or Paris.

BL.

Well, SNW had an away mission to help save Spock. Looks a lot XY to me. Then again Number One was turned into a super woman character where she is smarter and stronger than her male counterparts. List slowly matures.

 

[cwerdna]

Related to the above, Michael Okuda posted this on FB in that past day. I've only had a chance to watch the beginning.

was the final product of the above. This is what you saw on the bridge view screen once you've made your way to the bridge in the experience, after having been "beamed" over.

 

[bradl]

was the final product of the above. This is what you saw on the bridge view screen once you've made your way to the bridge in the experience, after having been "beamed" over.

I so totally miss that ride and exhibit. The closest to it is Star Tours at Disneyland, but it is no where near as exciting. ST: The Experience was an amazing experience, especially having went there every week, and taking the tours back there. Funnily enough, coming off that ride, you come straight out at the Promenade.

BL.

 

[bradl]

Oh, why do I have to choose!?!? 😭

Oh well, Iron Chef it is! 😜

BL.

 

[maflynn]

Oh, why do I have to choose!

One word - DVR

 

[CWallace]

I think that is Pluto TV, which is a real-time streaming service with dedicated "channels" for various shows and types of shows (like anime, comedy, etc.).

Frankly, I'd watch both TNG episodes and then watch the Iron Chef channel before and after.

 

[jz0309]

One word - DVR

those still exist?

 

[maflynn]

those still exist?

Yep, most of the major streaming services offer them for little to no money. I have YTTV and I use it heavily.

 

[Rafterman]

The SNW/LD crossover was released early on Paramount+, it's streaming now.

SNW Episode 9, Subspace Rhapsody, will be a musical. LD season 4 releases on Sept 7th.

And the new season of Futurama on Hulu starts Mon 7/24.