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Also, a 5 minute clip of the 1st 5 minutes of Disco S5:E1 was released. Clip available at https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/st...-new-worlds-lower-decks-comic-con-1235677509/.

https://blog.trekcore.com/2023/07/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-musical-episode-news/ has a trailer for the musical ep ("Subspace Rhapsody") of SNW. Doesn't seem right for Trek at all so my expectations are rock bottom for that. Hope it doesn't turn out to be a turd as I've liked most of the rest of SNW.

To boldy go where no one has gone before.

That includes musicals.
 
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Also, a 5 minute clip of the 1st 5 minutes of Disco S5:E1 was released. Clip available at https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/st...-new-worlds-lower-decks-comic-con-1235677509/.

https://blog.trekcore.com/2023/07/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-musical-episode-news/ has a trailer for the musical ep ("Subspace Rhapsody") of SNW. Doesn't seem right for Trek at all so my expectations are rock bottom for that. Hope it doesn't turn out to be a turd as I've liked most of the rest of SNW.

In Trek's defense, that episode of DS9 where they saved Vic Fontaine in the casino holosuite and Vic and Sisko ending the episode singing a duet of The Best is Yet to Come was rather tastefully done. If they could reproduce it to that level of finesse, it could very well work.

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A partially animated crossover and then a musical just 2 episodes later. SNW was going so well, I hope it's not just going to devolve into these regular gimmicks but with stick with the character based stories we saw earlier in the season. Full on musical episodes are a rare thing outside of comedies, really the only one I can think of is Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Once More With Feeling, and that was much more of a tongue in cheek show. What Trek has done quite well in the past and can work rather well is episodes featuring a song or two in an otherwise normal story e.g. Voyager's Someone to Watch Over Me or many later DS9 episodes.
 
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A partially animated crossover and then a musical just 2 episodes later. SNW was going so well, I hope it's not just going to devolve into these regular gimmicks but with stick with the character based stories we saw earlier in the season. Full on musical episodes are a rare thing outside of comedies, really the only one I can think of is Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Once More With Feeling, and that was much more of a tongue in cheek show. What Trek has done quite well in the past and can work rather well is episodes featuring a song or two in an otherwise normal story e.g. Voyager's Someone to Watch Over Me or many later DS9 episodes.

If I remember right, Xena: Warrior Princess had a couple of musical episodes. At the time it was to promote some musical work Lucy Lawless was doing, as she is also a singer (she performed a duet with Richard Marx). That episode worked out well (at least for the series). It will just be interesting to see how SNW pulls this off.

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Episode 9 will be the musical. Episode 8 airs on Thursday.
WTF, I saw a blurb about that, and I'm just speechless. In all honesty it feels like it will be as successful as the Star Wars holiday special, i.e., cringy has hell and horrid.
 

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The animation thing is not for me. Fast forwarded through those segments. Probably do the same thing with the musical parts coming up. Don't get me wrong, I love the series!! Just not a fan of those things!!!
 

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WTF, I saw a blurb about that, and I'm just speechless. In all honesty it feels like it will be as successful as the Star Wars holiday special, i.e., cringy has hell and horrid.

I'm excited for it. The trailer gave me Buffy "Once More, With Feeling" vibes and that episode was really successful. I hope this one will be too.
 

phrehdd

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Personally, I am glad there is a Star Trek series willing to take risks when it comes to story-telling and Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks make the most sense to do this since they are episodic in nature.
A partially animated crossover and then a musical just 2 episodes later. SNW was going so well, I hope it's not just going to devolve into these regular gimmicks but with stick with the character based stories we saw earlier in the season. Full on musical episodes are a rare thing outside of comedies, really the only one I can think of is Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Once More With Feeling, and that was much more of a tongue in cheek show. What Trek has done quite well in the past and can work rather well is episodes featuring a song or two in an otherwise normal story e.g. Voyager's Someone to Watch Over Me or many later DS9 episodes.
Just saw the animated SNW episode. Not my cup of tea. It was a cute unclever distraction from SNW stories. Also, I admit I found the future crew to behave like neurotic idiots. Do it in the cartoon but when on Pike's Enterprise tone it down. Incidentally, space show animations were done before in Farscape with the intention of being silly as well. As for a musical episode also not my idea of Star Trek. For anyone here - we saw how Wesley had to go to Federation "school" and it was strict, had various psych tests and more - does anyone really think some of these characters (mostly future) would have passed? Nothing like a bunch of hot messes running around on a ship to lend credibility to the Federation.
 

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Just saw the animated SNW episode. Not my cup of tea. It was a cute unclever distraction from SNW stories. Also, I admit I found the future crew to behave like neurotic idiots. Do it in the cartoon but when on Pike's Enterprise tone it down. Incidentally, space show animations were done before in Farscape with the intention of being silly as well. As for a musical episode also not my idea of Star Trek. For anyone here - we saw how Wesley had to go to Federation "school" and it was strict, had various psych tests and more - does anyone really think some of these characters (mostly future) would have passed? Nothing like a bunch of hot messes running around on a ship to lend credibility to the Federation.

As a famous drill instructor said in a movie long ago, "Lighten up Francis." If the LD characters "toned it down," they wouldn't be their LD characters, they could have cast some made up future characters.

In the end, the LD crew is honorable and does the right thing. Even Mariner, who may not like authority, but still tries to do what she thinks is right. They are every bit as Federation as any other crew. Just...funnier.
 

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based on several posts here I gave lower decks a try, made it half way into the 2nd episode - can't do any more of this.
I've been liking SNW, but that last episode with LD was, meh
I will give the musical episode a try, we'll see
 
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based on several posts here I gave lower decks a try, made it half way into the 2nd episode - can't do any more of this.
I've been liking SNW, but that last episode with LD was, meh
I will give the musical episode a try, we'll see
Well alas, mediocrity seems for some to be greeted with open arms, and for the rest of us, we can have opinions that differ from theirs. We'll see if the musical episode will be sharp or falls flat.
 
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If you have 10 minutes rewatch the greatest sequence of classic Star Trek...


What was the prefix code again?


16309

You know, this is such a minor nitpick over a great classic scene, but I have to say it. When Spock enters the code, he pushes a bunch of up-buttons, But that doesn't make sense. What if the code had the same number twice? Like 23375? Would he push the button again, but downward? Why didn't the set designers just have a keypad?

And why such a short number? It wouldn't be hard for an enemy's computer to transmit every code within a few seconds. If that were real life, the code would be hundreds of digits long to mike it almost impossible to crack.

I know that all looked cool, but it always bugged me :)
 

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You know, this is such a minor nitpick over a great classic scene, but I have to say it. When Spock enters the code, he pushes a bunch of up-buttons, But that doesn't make sense. What if the code had the same number twice? Like 23375? Would he push the button again, but downward? Why didn't the set designers just have a keypad?
During Kirk's time, Federation ship registry were only 4 digits (NCC-1864 and NCC-1701). A 5 digit prefix code is more than enough that they get by without repeating a number. I gloss over stuff like that as part of suspending disbelief.
And why such a short number? It wouldn't be hard for an enemy's computer to transmit every code within a few seconds. If that were real life, the code would be hundreds of digits long to mike it almost impossible to crack.
Maybe they had a limited login attempt before the system locks you out. We have the technology today.😉
I know that all looked cool, but it always bugged me :)
What bugs me is when a Vulcan makes generalized comment as statements of fact. "Vulcans cannot lie." (Spock...on multiple occasions in multiple series😓) That's utter BS. Vulcans can lie. Spock lied about Vulcans not being able to lie.🤥 Heck, Spock has lied so many times I'm surprised his pants hasn't caught fire.🤨 "Vulcans don't drink," says the Vulcan who proceeds imbibe with 2 other Vulcans.😑 Explain Vulcan port and Vulcan brandy. Vulcans don't drink. Yeah right.🙄 I'll chock it up to Vulcans wanting to project a image of superiority.
 

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During Kirk's time, Federation ship registry were only 4 digits (NCC-1864 and NCC-1701). A 5 digit prefix code is more than enough that they get by without repeating a number. I gloss over stuff like that as part of suspending disbelief.

Maybe they had a limited login attempt before the system locks you out. We have the technology today.😉

What bugs me is when a Vulcan makes generalized comment as statements of fact. "Vulcans cannot lie." (Spock...on multiple occasions in multiple series😓) That's utter BS. Vulcans can lie. Spock lied about Vulcans not being able to lie.🤥 Heck, Spock has lied so many times I'm surprised his pants hasn't caught fire.🤨 "Vulcans don't drink," says the Vulcan who proceeds imbibe with 2 other Vulcans.😑 Explain Vulcan port and Vulcan brandy. Vulcans don't drink. Yeah right.🙄 I'll chock it up to Vulcans wanting to project a image of superiority.

How about Starfleet translator pins? If the comm badges they wear can trasnlate on the fly, how come we don't hear the sound coming from them? How come the aliens lips move to English and not their own language? ST Enterprise is the only one that kind of tried to be realistic (for a while at least), when their communictors would actually do the translating, like its an actual machine doing it.

But, like most things in science fiction...you just roll with it.
 
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How about Starfleet translator pins? If the comm badges they wear can trasnlate on the fly, how come we don't hear the sound coming from them? How come the aliens lips move to English and not their own language? ST Enterprise is the only one that kind of tried to be realistic (for a while at least), when their communictors would actually do the translating, like its an actual machine doing it.
As a kid, my question with those comm badges was always one of routing. If the first word a sender says into their badge is the recipients name, as in "Spock, grape jelly on the banana..." then the computer knows by the first sounds of the recipients name where to route the rest of the sentence to. But more often than not, it's "Kirk to Spock, spread the butter on them glistening hams, NOW!" and there's no delay for routing, nor is everyone on the ship hearing "Kirk to" before it narrows down to just Spocks receiver. Instead, the comm system appears to run on ESP, knowing who to route messages to before they are addressed by the sender.
 

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As a kid, my question with those comm badges was always one of routing. If the first word a sender says into their badge is the recipients name, as in "Spock, grape jelly on the banana..." then the computer knows by the first sounds of the recipients name where to route the rest of the sentence to. But more often than not, it's "Kirk to Spock, spread the butter on them glistening hams, NOW!" and there's no delay for routing, nor is everyone on the ship hearing "Kirk to" before it narrows down to just Spocks receiver. Instead, the comm system appears to run on ESP, knowing who to route messages to before they are addressed by the sender.

Yeah, its like "Picard to Riker." In reality, the badge would hear the full command, then "ring" the correct comm badge with a ping or a ding or whatever. Then Riker taps an answers. Like a phone now. That would make sense. But when we see Riker on the other end, we don''t hear a ding, we hear "Picard to Riker" right away, like it either knew who Picard was about to call before he said it, or everyone's comm badge heard "Picard to Riker" before disconnecting everyone else and just leaving the comm signal open to Riker.

Like you said, those comm badges must be psychic.
 
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