State of Apple

[matttye]

You can and should always consider the source and methodology but it really stretches credulity to come onto Macrumors and read Android fans gibberish about how the Exodus is coming to the iPhones when Apple just had a record Q2 quarter where it sold 35 million phones and night 12 billion in profit.

If this is Apple screwing up then I'm ok with that.

I know you werent specifically talking about me, but FYI I don't think either camp is going to leave in drones for the other.

Let's look at the facts:

- Androids market share continues to grow.
- every iPhone so far has sold better than the last. There's no reason to think it won't again.
- Samsung is the most popular smartphone maker in the world, and the top selling Galaxy devices are a raging success.

Seems like its success all around for Apple and Android!

 

[nuckinfutz]

Seems like its success all around for Apple and Android!

Indeed.

I'm not an Apple fanboy. I enjoy their products because it makes my life easier. I'm not an Android hater. Sure I rib people on here about Android but i'm actually eager to eventually buy a tablet or something like that and tinker around with it.

In the end I'm not really watching iOS or Android. We know what we're getting. It's Win8 that i'm going to be keeping on eye on. Microsoft is the one that needs to claw back marketshare and I'm curious to see how they're going to do it.

 

[Wide opeN]

Honest question...

Will iOS at its core ever change functionality!?

I had an idea, how about a seperate iOS 2.0 type of system!?

One for the power users!? It'd be the Mac Pro of OS for Apples iOS devices.

 

[Mac.World]

I don't care about the blogs. I take what they say good or bad and put that up to quarterly numbers. If Apple is selling more phones than they did last quarter then they're are moving in the right direction. Until Apple actually sells significantly less phones in the current quarter than the last the bleating about exodus is forum chatter.

Since math doesn't seem to be your strong suit, here is a break down. And remember if a number is smaller than the number preceeding it, that means it is less. You don't seem to grasp this concept, so I'm hoping you get it with this:

Apple sales for 2012:
Q1 = 37 million (Christmas and release of iPhone 4S)

Q2 = 35 million (The Siri factor is wearing off.)

Q3 = 26 million (S3 is released. Huge drop in iPhone sales. Coincidence?)

Q4 =??? Expected to be even less than Q3. Almost 50% drop in sales since Q1 is anticipated.

Now, I'm not sure where you went to school, but the facts contradict your thinking. Of course, I'm sure you'll come up with some excuse about how you are right and the facts are wrong.

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Indeed.

I'm not an Apple fanboy. I enjoy their products because it makes my life easier. I'm not an Android hater. Sure I rib people on here about Android but i'm actually eager to eventually buy a tablet or something like that and tinker around with it.

trying... to... type... Best joke today.

You - > Teet - > Trying to tell us otherwise is an exercise in futility.

 

[r0k]

I have an iPhone 4 and a Samsung GP5. I use the GP5 mostly for work so I don't have to let their inane exchange profile muck-up my iPhone. There are a couple of things I like better about Android.

First there is Wifi Analyzer. This is available as a free download for Android and is only available for iOS on Cydia. Hopefully Apple is beginning to wake up and realize a Wifi Analyzer is part of the necessary kit for a road warrior. There is a glimmer of hope in that they now have a wifi scanner in Mountain Lion.

Second there is the way my GP5 integrates with all my Picasa photo albums. It's much better than what Photostream does. It would be better if Photostream allowed you to push certain events and Albums to all your devices from iPhoto and if Photostream offered a web gallery. It does neither.

Ok so there are the two things I see that Android has over iOS. Today, a friend of mine with a Motorola Atrix tried to show me a photo. He couldn't. His memory was full. He had about 199 running apps and the Android task manager was taking f-o-r-e-v-e-r to shut them down. After half an hour of trying, he popped out his microsd card and went hunting for a PC so he could show me the pic. Shame. Just a shame. Sure my iPhone freezes sometimes. Sure it sometimes freezes during photo shoots. But I have never had a feature simply fail and I mean epic fail like what my friend experienced. iOS feels like a polished OS that is well thought out. Android feels like a perpetual beta. And it's not just a feeling. There are flaws to back up my impressions.

Will Apple get their butts kicked? Yes. Someday I just don't know when. I doubt it will be any time soon and I doubt Google or Samsung will be involved in doing it. And yes I want to see Apple win over Samsung in court. Obvious copying is going on. I remember unboxing my GP5 was "just like" unboxing an iPod Touch. Enough shameless copying. Let's see some real competition.

 

[Calidude]

Thanks for quoting me.

iPhone 5 design + iOS6's shabby featureset = lots of people moving away from iPhone after September 21st.

It's as simple as that. It's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done to stop it unless Apple actually starts bringing their A-game instead of coasting on cruise control.

WideOpen, check out my 38 page thread on how bad iOS6 is. That will give you an idea of how screwed Apple is this year as well. They're messing up both their software and hardware and it's going to make a lot of people move to Android and Windows Phone.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1383671/

 

[Agathon]

Apple, seems content ignoring the more advanced part of its customer base.

Yes, because you and people like you aren't where the real money is. The real money is in the mass market for well designed products that enable ordinary people to do things. There is just not that much money in tailoring tech products for geeks – geeks are essentially a boutique market – especially if doing so makes for a product that would confuse an ordinary customer.

Tech geeks seem to have this weird belief that they are the taste makers of the tech market and that the mass market will inevitably follow them (in a similar fashion to the role opinion makers play in politics). Therefore, companies should give them what they want, and the masses will follow.

But tech geeks are not tastemakers. Nobody really cares what they think other than other tech geeks. It's like aficionados of classical music thinking that the mass market will follow their lead (even they aren't that deluded).

Computing used to be a market where the opinions of nerds mattered... because nerds were basically the customer base. Now they aren't, and wonder why computer companies don't seem to follow their every wish.

I guess Apple is just not aiming for your business. Luckily, there are smaller companies who will be happy to give you what you want. Good for everyone, no?

Thanks for quoting me.

iPhone 5 design + iOS6's shabby featureset = lots of people moving away from iPhone after September 21st.

You're so delusional, it's almost quaint.

 

[Calidude]

Tech geeks seem to have this weird belief that they are the taste makers of the tech market and that the mass market will inevitably follow them (in a similar fashion to the role opinion makers play in politics). Therefore, companies should give them what they want, and the masses will follow..

Tech geeks are the reason the iPhone did so well in the first place. 90% of people would never have considered turning their phone into a touchscreen mobile computing device in the first place, but now, more people have a smartphone than there are people using laptops, it seems.

People follow US, not the other way around. If it weren't for tech geeks, we'd still be using those crappy Motorola RAZRs and looking at WAP pages on the same overpriced data plan.

Sadly, Apple has decided to leave their phone in an immature state instead of giving people abilities that have been around on Symbian and Blackberry for nearly a decade now and keeping their screen at an unimpressive 3.5 inches, yet people wonder why this forum had to create an "Alternatives" section after the iPhone 5 design was leaked and iOS6 was announced.

Apple will be left behind with housewives and children while the open-source community continues onward in a fashion than doesn't insult the intelligence of their users.

 

[Jagardn]

Yes, because you and people like you aren't where the real money is. The real money is in the mass market for well designed products that enable ordinary people to do things. There is just not that much money in tailoring tech products for geeks – geeks are essentially a boutique market – especially if doing so makes for a product that would confuse an ordinary customer.

Tech geeks seem to have this weird belief that they are the taste makers of the tech market and that the mass market will inevitably follow them (in a similar fashion to the role opinion makers play in politics). Therefore, companies should give them what they want, and the masses will follow.

But tech geeks are not tastemakers. Nobody really cares what they think other than other tech geeks. It's like aficionados of classical music thinking that the mass market will follow their lead (even they aren't that deluded).

Computing used to be a market where the opinions of nerds mattered... because nerds were basically the customer base. Now they aren't, and wonder why computer companies don't seem to follow their every wish.

I guess Apple is just not aiming for your business. Luckily, there are smaller companies who will be happy to give you what you want. Good for everyone, no?



You're so delusional, it's almost quaint.

Nailed it...especially the last part.

 

[Ddyracer]

I remember unboxing my GP5 was "just like" unboxing an iPod Touch. Enough shameless copying. Let's see some real competition.

That Player is running 2 year old software. Retarded, it came out last year round ICS. I do like the 3 size screens to pick from, that's great. For those who feel angry at this, don't take what I say personally, i find flaws in everything.

Will Apple get their butts kicked? Yes. Someday I just don't know when. I doubt it will be any time soon and I doubt Google or Samsung will be involved in doing it. And yes I want to see Apple win over Samsung in court. Obvious copying is going on.

Problem is that Apple is one of the few who can innovate. If Apple goes, where is Google and Microsoft going to get their inspiration? Apple isn't going to be here a hundred hell even 50 years from now. The leader is dead so now they have to just face facts and not be so boring, make their OS look less like s*** with all that gray. I mean come on! Sure i can change it but i liked it so much better when the OS was colorful and had blue elements baked in. I don't want to have to change it and believe me, Apple will grant my request but then your just stuck with complete gray. With. no. way. out.

end of rant

 

[TheMacBookPro]

Ah, the voice of reason! I didn't know you existed here.

The voice of reason is the person who agrees with your opinion, and 'person who rattles off extraneous gibberish' is someone who disagrees with you. Ah, I love this forum.

 

[zbarvian]

The voice of reason is the person who agrees with your opinion, and 'person who rattles off extraneous gibberish' is someone who disagrees with you. Ah, I love this forum.

It wasn't an opinion, it was a fact. And the other dude was rattling off extraneous gibberish.

 

[TheMacBookPro]

It wasn't an opinion, it was a fact. And the other dude was rattling off extraneous gibberish.

Yes, yes, as long as it's pro-Apple or anti-Samsung its a fact, and anything that suggests otherwise is gibberish. This got boring after the two millionth time.

 

[Calidude]

...problem is your a forum poster and sites like BGR do this for a living .

This is such petty talk.

 

[zbarvian]

Yes, yes, as long as it's pro-Apple or anti-Samsung its a fact, and anything that suggests otherwise is gibberish. This got boring after the two millionth time.

No it was gibberish because his rambling had nothing to do with my post. And it's fact because history has solidified Apple's clout in the mobile arena, and a radical redesign of the iPhone is sure to draw crazy sales figures.

 

[matttye]

Thanks for quoting me.

iPhone 5 design + iOS6's shabby featureset = lots of people moving away from iPhone after September 21st.

It's as simple as that. It's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done to stop it unless Apple actually starts bringing their A-game instead of coasting on cruise control.

WideOpen, check out my 38 page thread on how bad iOS6 is. That will give you an idea of how screwed Apple is this year as well. They're messing up both their software and hardware and it's going to make a lot of people move to Android and Windows Phone.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1383671/

Whilst I'm not even slightly impressed with iOS6 (although any free update is welcome), I think you're incorrect about lots of people moving away from the iPhone. It depends how you define "lots" - there will probably be thousands of power users that are tired of the same old OS and limited functionality, but that's not even going to be noticeable to Apple.

Other iPhones have sold like hot cakes even when they've been fairly minor updates, for example original iPhone > iPhone 3G > iPhone 3GS were all fairly minor updates.

Apple is such a popular brand name now that a lot of people don't even know what alternatives exist.

 

[Calidude]

Whilst I'm not even slightly impressed with iOS6 (although any free update is welcome), I think you're incorrect about lots of people moving away from the iPhone. It depends how you define "lots"

"Lots" = more people leaving the iPhone after a release than ever before.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

http://bgr.com/2012/08/23/iphone-android-user-loyalty-survey/

Arm yourself with knowledge, my friend.

Ok...

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It wasn't an opinion, it was a fact. And the other dude was rattling off extraneous gibberish.

You make absolutely no contribution to this sub forum. All you ever do is troll. Why are you even here?

 

[matttye]

"Lots" = more people leaving the iPhone after a release than ever before.

Probably, however more will buy it too

The only problem that will cause is the satisfaction ratings to drop, probably negligible though.

 

[dontwalkhand]

Since math doesn't seem to be your strong suit, here is a break down. And remember if a number is smaller than the number preceeding it, that means it is less. You don't seem to grasp this concept, so I'm hoping you get it with this:

Apple sales for 2012:
Q1 = 37 million (Christmas and release of iPhone 4S)

Q2 = 35 million (The Siri factor is wearing off.)

Q3 = 26 million (S3 is released. Huge drop in iPhone sales. Coincidence?)

Q4 =??? Expected to be even less than Q3. Almost 50% drop in sales since Q1 is anticipated.

Now, I'm not sure where you went to school, but the facts contradict your thinking. Of course, I'm sure you'll come up with some excuse about how you are right and the facts are wrong.

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Image trying... to... type... Best joke today.

You - > Teet - > Trying to tell us otherwise is an exercise in futility.

Those numbers are off because why would the people who have an iPhone 4S buy another 4S? Of course Q4 numbers are going to be less than Q1

 

[SlCKB0Y]

LOL Poisoning the Well logical fallacy. BGR has much more credibility than you do anti-Mac.World.

Credibility? You're kidding right?

Did you actually read the article Mac.World posted?

Here it is again:
http://www.bgr.com/2012/06/12/apple-ios-6-features-android-opinion-criticism/

The article is appallingly biased and is written by the founder. That's the level of writing they are reduced to now. Create controversy to generate hits.

Read the comments, there are many many iPhone users complaining about how terribly biased that garbage is right next to the Android users.

That's right, iPhone users complaining about how biased a pro-iPhone article is. That is how bad it is...I've never, ever seen that happen before. It's going to start raining toads now or something...

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LOL. BGR has zero credibility outside the Apple RDF and people like yourself. You might as well read the National Enquirer for more truthful reporting.

Be sure to check out the political commentary on Fox News as well...

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There are so many Android fans that have insecurity issues.

This coming from a person who is in the non-Apple forum trolling every thread along with users like zbarvian to inflate your little e-penises....

 

[Mac.World]

I see nuckinfutz took himself out of this thread. Probably too embarrassed to come back.

If you spew crap out about a phone, you better be right about the info. Tuckinurnutz was so far off in la-La land it was pretty sad.

 

[mcman77]

Yes, because you and people like you aren't where the real money is. The real money is in the mass market for well designed products that enable ordinary people to do things. There is just not that much money in tailoring tech products for geeks – geeks are essentially a boutique market – especially if doing so makes for a product that would confuse an ordinary customer.

Tech geeks seem to have this weird belief that they are the taste makers of the tech market and that the mass market will inevitably follow them (in a similar fashion to the role opinion makers play in politics). Therefore, companies should give them what they want, and the masses will follow.

But tech geeks are not tastemakers. Nobody really cares what they think other than other tech geeks. It's like aficionados of classical music thinking that the mass market will follow their lead (even they aren't that deluded).

Computing used to be a market where the opinions of nerds mattered... because nerds were basically the customer base. Now they aren't, and wonder why computer companies don't seem to follow their every wish.

I guess Apple is just not aiming for your business. Luckily, there are smaller companies who will be happy to give you what you want. Good for everyone, no?



You're so delusional, it's almost quaint.

I want to personally thank you for this post since I am one of those people that you clearly pointed out.

I hope to remember this next time I end up embarrassing myself to non-tech people trying to explain to them that them that the benchmark has been set higher.

Another thing is that for some stupid reason I expect Leading companies to play that role and lead in parrellel with tech, which clearly isn't the case.

Apple is first a business then a tech lover.

P.S the most disappointing thing for me is that I really like OSX but feel that iOS is more like windows XP (which apple clearly rinsed as boring etc.) and android is more like OSX.

 

[Calidude]

Apple is first a business then a tech lover.

Tell that to the people here who to this day still claim that the iPhone is the most technologically advanced phone and that they themselves are "tech enthusiasts" even though senior citizens and still-developing children can use the phone just as easily.

 

[rillrill]

i don't have any money in either apple or google, but if i had the money i'd bet on google. to me google is kind of like apple 10 years ago, except with less style - although that is changing in the past year or so. i think back to that lampshade iMac, the iPod, airtunes was amazing to me, to the iPad...such interesting designs and forethought into a how people interact with computers.

i think it was all steve jobs's vision that he made happen. cook and the rest of the major players at apple don't seem to have that hunger to change how people interact with computers. the head google guys, however, do have it with google glass, android, hell even google docs/drive is a revolution in the education business.

now look at the garbage that is iCloud, the stagnate UI on iOS, and current line of PCs/laptops. can a brother get a macbook with 10 hrs of battery life? or 3g built into it? do something different.