State of Apple

[Calidude]

I think you need to look up the meaning of unintentional. I didn't realize I was in the alternatives forum when I made that post. Therefore, it was an unintentional mistake.

And nobody I've seen in this forum ever has said the phrase "it's the most advanced".

Yes, I understand that you've been stalking me by reviewing my posts and that's how you got in here, but I don't care that its a mistake. You've proven yourself to be a strange person who follows people around a forum and not even understands where they are when they post.

Back to the iPhone forum with you. We're starting to derail the thread with your nonsense.

 

[Geckotek]

They do, but not fast enough to keep up.

Yeah, but you stated they fall further and further behind every year which would only be true if the didn't update. So which is it?

I never said "LTE". I never said anything about LTE. I said 4G.

Lol.....

No, the point is you dont have 4G and still have 3G. Having the icon show up means nothing because you arent getting 4G speeds. Funny that you dont know that. Nobody has said a thing about AT&T qualifying for the 4G or the HSPA+ name. We are talking about your iP4S which doesnt qualify for 4G.

So which is it? Isn't your definition of 4G LTE and not HSPA+? Admit it, by 4G you meant Android had LTE for almost 2 years. You even gave the Galaxy S as your response! Or are you now changing your tune and saying that 4G is only HSPA+ so that your statement of Android having "4G" for 2 years will be correct?

To be clear, LTE was NOT standard when the 4S was released. It was cutting edge. The second generation of chips hadn't even reached full production capacity (which Apple would have required to meet demand volumes).

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Calling people trolls for criticising Apple in any forum is pretty silly.

I don't call people trolls for criticizing Apple. Heck, I criticize Apple as well. This guy goes way beyond that. The reason I check his other posts was to see if that was all he spent his time doing, and my suspicions were confirmed. He just seems to hate Apple, which makes me wonder why he's even on this site.

 

[Calidude]

Calling people trolls for criticising Apple in any forum is pretty silly.

Absolutely. These people who use the term "troll" to label those who criticize Apple, however harshly, don't know what trolling even is.

 

[rillrill]

Yup Apple's clearly doing something wrong. Their stock is higher than it's ever been and they just reamed Samsung's arse for a billion dollars.

yr thinking too short term.

 

[mcman77]

I'm not trying to get people to switch to anything. I'm just amazed that people can use the iPhone for 6 years and not wonder why it still doesn't do things an old Blackberry can do despite all that advanced software.

I was generalising when I said don't get angry, it wasn't personally pointed to you though, sorry it sounded that way.

Regarding the topic, apple has Always lacked in that department, previous version of OSX had such implementations. For example, you couldn't resize the window from any corner, it had to be the bottom right. What is up with that? Such a stupid feature to add but yet they waited till mountain lion in 2011 to implement it!

This is the way they work...

I have no desire to own a device that is too big to be a phone and too small to be a tablet. There are more Android phones that iPhones because everybody and their brother in law build one. They cover the gamut of prices and cheap will always out number more expensive items. Most of them never have the operating systems upgraded. You buy it and it's yours. If it doesn't work or a later version of the OS comes tomorrow...tough. It breaks, plead with the carrier.

Not my style. I want to deal with someone who makes good stuff and at least pretends to care about my satisfaction. If you want something else, for God's sake buy it and quit the continual effort to tell me what to do. I'm tired of politics and phone wars.

Actually windows has come along way since you probably last used one. That statement has died a long time ago and is no longer a valid point.

The GS3 is not too big to be a phone it is marginally bigger than a iphone, so this is not a valid point either....plus the return of a much bigger screen is more rewarding than the relatively bigger size you sacriface.
Also samsung is slowly getting rid of the carriers crap on their devices too and nexus does not have any junk on their phones. Again, that is not a valid point.

If you don't like these discussions, how about you stay out of the thread? that is just an idea though.

Yup Apple's clearly doing something wrong. Their stock is higher than it's ever been and they just reamed Samsung's arse for a billion dollars.

Again, this just proves that apple is a business first and a tech lover second. What happened to the 'lets build the best possible device ever' ..... its now 'lets build the most profitable device that we can sell as the best device ever'

You know how many things could of been implemented in the stock iOS but is sold as an app?
Its all about profits...they are doing that right. But what they aren't getting right is genuinely producing a top of the class product.

Being an IT professional, working on my devices stopped being a hobby long ago. Instead of screwing around with my mobile devices and computers, I prefer they just work so I can spend more of my time taking photographs which I find much more fulfilling than making a custom theme for my smartphone. The iPhone fits my needs nicely. Just accept this and stop trolling this forum.

lol what a biased statement. You do not have to create your own theme that is optional.

 

[Geckotek]

lol what a biased statement. You do not have to create your own theme that is optional.

What's biased about it? Creating themes was an example of something you CAN do, I wasn't implying you had to. And it's just one example of many. iOS is simpler and more convenient for ppl that don't need/want to tinker.

Most tech writers would disagree with your statement regarding a "top of the class product".

 

[Technarchy]

Here is the troll free version of the state of Apple for those that are curious.

-4 million Macs were sold during the quarter, up by 2% over the year-ago-quarter

-Apple sold 26 million iPhones, up 28 percent over the year-ago quarter

-250 carriers now sell the iPhone in over 100 countries

-iPhone generated $16.2 billion in revenues for Apple (accounts for 46% of Apple's revenues), an increase of 22 percent compared to same quarter last year

-Apple sold 17 million iPads, up 84 percent over the year-ago quarter.

-Apple sold 6.8 million iPods

-410 million cumulative iOS device sales, of which more than 46 million iOS devices were sold in the last quarter

-150 million iCloud customers, which means Apple added 25 million new iCloud users in the last quarter.

-App Store is now available in over 155 countries. It has over*650,000 apps and 225,000 iPad apps

-$1.8 billion in revenues from iTunes Store

-Apple posted revenue of $35 billion,*compared to revenue of $28.57 billion over the year-ago quarter

-Apple posted profits of $8.8 billion,*compared to revenue of $7.71 billion over the year-ago quarter

 

[Dontazemebro]

What's biased about it? Creating themes was an example of something you CAN do, I wasn't implying you had to. And it's just one example of many. iOS is simpler and more convenient for ppl that don't need/want to tinker.

Most tech writers would disagree with your statement regarding a "top of the class product".

Android is the same way. You don't have to be a tinkerer to enjoy android. I know a lot of people who are just fine with their Android devices right out the box. My mother for example, one of the main pluses for her using an android is that the large screen makes it easy on her eyes.

 

[mcman77]

What's biased about it? Creating themes was an example of something you CAN do, I wasn't implying you had to. And it's just one example of many. iOS is simpler and more convenient for ppl that don't need/want to tinker.

Most tech writers would disagree with your statement regarding a "top of the class product".

it is biased since you are stating it as a mandatory thing to do if you ops for android.

So realistically if you are trying to avoid tinkering and all that...wouldn't you agree that apple products are actually very tinkerish! since you have to download itunes and sync this and that. If you wanna add another picture or song you gotta sync the whole thing as opposed to dragging and dropping whatver it is that you wanna add....instead you have to tinker with it to get what you're after?

don't you agree?

I don't need a writer to tell me what is top class I see much more potential out of the iphone and it is not producing it. Hence my statement, not top class.

 

[nuckinfutz]

Android is the same way. You don't have to be a tinkerer to enjoy android. I know a lot of people who are just fine with their Android devices right out the box. My mother for example, one of the main pluses for her using an android is that the large screen makes it easy on her eyes.

I see larger phones and UI tailored around easier to read text as being very important.

4.3-4.5 inches being ideal

 

[Vegastouch]

Yeah, but you stated they fall further and further behind every year which would only be true if the didn't update. So which is it?

From here on out they will be falling farther behind since they are behind now and allowed Android to catch them rather quickly is my point. So yes they update , but only once a year which has made them fall behind and when they update, the past two updates havent been much to speak of as far a iOS while Jelly Bean is just an enhancer to ICS and adds many great things to notifications, Google Now and is smoother.

So which is it? Isn't your definition of 4G LTE and not HSPA+? Admit it, by 4G you meant Android had LTE for almost 2 years. You even gave the Galaxy S as your response! Or are you now changing your tune and saying that 4G is only HSPA+ so that your statement of Android having "4G" for 2 years will be correct?To be clear, LTE was NOT standard when the 4S was released. It was cutting edge. The second generation of chips hadn't even reached full production capacity (which Apple would have required to meet demand volumes).

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No it isnt my definition. LTE didnt come out right away with 4G. Use some common sense. The Galaxy S didnt have LTE, it came with 4G capabilty I have T-Mobile and the Galaxy S 4G came out i think after the MyTouch 4G and they didnt have LTE(Tmobile doesnt have LTE) or HSPA+ because it wasnt around then.
Not my fault you dont know when those things came out.

 

[Geckotek]

it is biased since you are stating it as a mandatory thing to do if you ops for android.

if that's how I came off, it wasn't really what I meant (although I was tired and argumentative). To be honest, my original intention was to say that I don't feel the need to tinker and so it's ok with me to have an non-jb iPhone that allows for little tinkering.

And while tinkering isn't required on Android, I found something that is very simple on the iPhone to be almost infuriating on Android....setting up an EAS account. Why does it take me through so many different control panels and such just to setup one Exchange account?!?

And no, I don't think downloading iTunes counts as "tinkering". Wouldn't you also download some sort of music management on the desktop for Android as well?

 

[Vegastouch]

Again, this just proves that apple is a business first and a tech lover second. What happened to the 'lets build the best possible device ever' ..... its now 'lets build the most profitable device that we can sell as the best device ever'

You know how many things could of been implemented in the stock iOS but is sold as an app?
Its all about profits...they are doing that right. But what they aren't getting right is genuinely producing a top of the class product.

Yep and it has always been that way. Apple charged first gen iPod owners $10 to upgrade to 2.0 when the 2nd gen iPod was released with 2.0. How ridiculous is that?

 

[Geckotek]

From here on out they will be falling farther behind since they are behind now and allowed Android to catch them rather quickly is my point. So yes they update , but only once a year which has made them fall behind and when they update, the past two updates havent been much to speak of as far a iOS while Jelly Bean is just an enhancer to ICS and adds many great things to notifications, Google Now and is smoother.

That makes no sense. How can you say they'll fall farther behind when you don't even know the full details of the next version. And if they release yearly they can catch up every year...then fall behind...catch up....fall behind, etc. There's no logic to your statement unless Apple just doesn't update at all. It's not like they don't have the capabilities to add these same features.

No it isnt my definition. LTE didnt come out right away with 4G. Use some common sense. The Galaxy S didnt have LTE, it came with 4G capabilty I have T-Mobile and the Galaxy S 4G came out i think after the MyTouch 4G and they didnt have LTE(Tmobile doesnt have LTE) or HSPA+ because it wasnt around then.
Not my fault you dont know when those things came out.

You're making no sense. You tell one person that the iPhone 4s doesn't have 4G (because it's only HSPA+) but then when you argue with me you change it up and say 4G includes HSPA+. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. (the original definition of 4G did not include HSPA+ btw....T-Mobile and AT&T just pushed the definition and the ITU gave in).

 

[Vegastouch]

if that's how I came off, it wasn't really what I meant (although I was tired and argumentative). To be honest, my original intention was to say that I don't feel the need to tinker and so it's ok with me to have an non-jb iPhone that allows for little tinkering.

And while tinkering isn't required on Android, I found something that is very simple on the iPhone to be almost infuriating on Android....setting up an EAS account. Why does it take me through so many different control panels and such just to setup one Exchange account?!?

And no, I don't think downloading iTunes counts as "tinkering". Wouldn't you also download some sort of music management on the desktop for Android as well?

I dont, ...no need for it. Once i tranferred my music from iTunes over two years ago, i dont have a need for a management for it any longer. I can get music from Amazon, some music downloaders in the play store and just drop them on my MicroSD card when i connect the phone to my PC.

 

[aristobrat]

It sold well but not compared to todays iPhones.

Considering that:

The original iPhone was only available on one carrier in the US (AT&T).
The original iPhone was 2x-3x more expensive than it is today ($599 orig, dropped to $399).
The original iPhone was only available in handful of other countries

... you really can't directly compare its sales to today's iPhone.

But those three hugely limiting factors above really do make its sales from back in 2007 quite impressive, IMO.

 

[Vegastouch]

That makes no sense. How can you say they'll fall farther behind when you don't even know the full details of the next version. And if they release yearly they can catch up every year...then fall behind...catch up....fall behind, etc. There's no logic to your statement unless Apple just doesn't update at all. It's not like they don't have the capabilities to add these same features.

Really? You need to see the full scope of the update for iOS6? Well it has been posted in here but i dont think that is neccessary to know it isnt up to par with Jelly Bean. So, that said it makes perfect sense because iOS IS NOT caught up and will fall further behind going forward as Key Lime Pie is already on the horizon.
What doesnt make sense is your post above. I dont know what is so hard to understand about that. Do you need a script of the update logs to show you how Android has surpassed iOS in a short period of time?

And Yes they have the capabilities to do many of those things but they wont. Just like they didnt want to give you MMS, didnt give you copy and paste for two years till the masses overwhelmed them with gripes about it. Probably wouldnt of givin you a measly 1/2" longer screen had the public not shown them that is what they want by going to other devices.

You're making no sense. You tell one person that the iPhone 4s doesn't have 4G (because it's only HSPA+) but then when you argue with me you change it up and say 4G includes HSPA+. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. (the original definition of 4G did not include HSPA+ btw....T-Mobile and AT&T just pushed the definition and the ITU gave in).

Maybe you should stop trying to outsmart yourself here because you are talking in circles and are the one not making sense.

I made a basic statement that the 4S doesnt even have 4G. I said NOTHING about HSPA+, didnt try to insinuate that i meant HSPA+. Please show me where i EVER said that 4G included HSPA+.
I meant 4G which came out first....as far as i know before HSPA+ and of course LTE. NOBODY changed anything up....it is YOU who changed it up to your own understanding which is all jumbled up and then you tried to tell me what i meant which you have all screwed up. And Mac.World also told you that you dont have 4G but just the 4G logo up top which is true.

The problem is you, not me.

 

[ixodes]

The "State of Apple" as I see it, is nothing more than their version of shaping the business model for maximum profits.

Obviously they don't care what anyone thinks, when you're as big as Apple you can be that way.

 

[Geckotek]

The problem is you, not me.

You keep changing your story and don't even realize it. And the OS thing...wow. So clueless. I give up.

 

[Vegastouch]

You keep changing your story and don't even realize it. And the OS thing...wow. So clueless. I give up.

Changing my story? Are you high? Go back and read my initial comment on it and then try tell me that. Holy bejesus. As i said, please show me where i said that about LTE or HSPA+? Please...find that.


I think you are clueless trying to pass off as some tech guru....well it isnt working. You obviously cant comprehend. Only a complete biased Apple fanatic would see iOS 6 as catching up to Jelly Bean

Clueless is right!

 

[TheMacBookPro]

Typical Android Defense Squad Topic.


The iphone 5 will sell like hotcakes. Everybody knows this.

Of course it will. Doesn't mean it's going to be better than other phones. This says more about the buyers ('oooh, shiny Apple logo!') than the phone though.

 

[nuckinfutz]

Of course it will. Doesn't mean it's going to be better than other phones. This says more about the buyers ('oooh, shiny Apple logo!') than the phone though.

Not sure I agree with this line of thinking. Basically it's based on the supposition that Apple is cool and people just want the logo.

I remember a time (late 90s) where Apple was anything but the hip company. Their products weren't in high demand and consumers spent their money elsewhere.

The huge advantage that Apple has is control over hardware and software to such a finite degree that everything just feels solid. Next they have a keen way of focusing on features that translate across the widest groups of users. Geeks will never been happy because Apple is about removing or not adding features if they don't make sense across the large swath of consumers.

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

Not sure I agree with this line of thinking. Basically it's based on the supposition that Apple is cool and people just want the logo.

I remember a time (late 90s) where Apple was anything but the hip company. Their products weren't in high demand and consumers spent their money elsewhere.

I believe that supposition comes from the threads we all read on the board like "OMG, how are people going to know I have the 4s and not the 4?" iPhone has turned into an accessory that some believe is a sign of stature (no clue why, it's a phone, not a Ferrari).

huge advantage that Apple has is control over hardware and software to such a finite degree that everything just feels solid. Next they have a keen way of focusing on features that translate across the widest groups of users. Geeks will never been happy because Apple is about removing or not adding features if they don't make sense across the large swath of consumers.

I agree apple with the control and they're definitely using that to their advantage and I believe it's the right way. I'm hoping a phone like the SG3 and Samsung releasing the same phone regardless of carrier is a step in the right direction.

 

[TheMacBookPro]

Not sure I agree with this line of thinking. Basically it's based on the supposition that Apple is cool and people just want the logo.

My line of thinking comes from the disproportionately large number of people on this forum who seem to think that owning an iPhone indicates wealth or class while Android phones are trash owned by poor people who can't afford an iPhone.

I remember a time (late 90s) where Apple was anything but the hip company. Their products weren't in high demand and consumers spent their money elsewhere.

Yes, Apple wasn't always viewed as a 'cool' company, but you'd be hard pressed these days to find someone who disagrees that the regular consumer sees Apple products as the cool thing to have.
Anyways, I don't see how that's relevant here. I'm saying that people would buy iPhones no matter what, not that they were running out to buy Pippins back in the nineties.

The huge advantage that Apple has is control over hardware and software to such a finite degree that everything just feels solid. Next they have a keen way of focusing on features that translate across the widest groups of users. Geeks will never been happy because Apple is about removing or not adding features if they don't make sense across the large swath of consumers.

iOS/Mac integration is a great selling point and Apple are brilliant at showing relatively mundane features as the next greatest thing, but whenever I ask my non-techie friends why they bought iPhones, the answer always seems to be 'because it's cool'. Not exactly a huge number of people, but I have no doubt that even if the next iPhone were completely devoid of features, it would still sell very well.