They most certainly are! I've also had discussions with Dave, and I chose the wrong boat to row. Currently I am running Bis Sur Beta 11.1.
Lou
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Lou
No they are not!! "Way" behind infers 1) they have not been working on it very much, and 2) an update is nowhere to be seen. That is flat out not true.
Again, though, Big Sur is nowhere near stable enough. I anticipate that by the time V11.3 arrives, it will finally be stable enough. And agin, nothing i n it that I must have. Will happily remain with good old, stable, reliable Catalina.
^^^^Not going to argue here. "Way Behind" infers that Big Sur was released on 11/12 and here it is a month later and SD still no support. What is troubling to me is that "Dave" has no frapping idea when or if it will be supported. His advice - Don't UpDate! That is terribly short sighted IMHO.
Apparently you heeded his advice🤔
Lou
Apparently you heeded his advice🤔
Lou
You seem to forget that for the past few releases of the Mac OS, SuperDuper! has not had a compatible version ready right away, and typically it has been a month to 2 months before was available.
Be that as it may, you are still missing KEY points:
1) Big Sur is not stable enough yet, and will not be until V11.3 arrives.
2) There are other critical applications that are not compatible yet.
3) There is nothing "earth shattering" in Big Sur that is compelling.
As for taking Dave's advice, I have typically followed that same path for at least the last 5 versions of the Mac OS, and in fact, I typically do not move to the new OS until around 3 months after the initial release, as that is when Tech Tool Pro has a compatible version available. I suspect it will be the same for the next version of the Mac OS, and the next, and the next, etc.
Meanwhile, I just continue to use the latest version of the "prior" OS, which for now is Catalina.
Now, if everyone were like you there would never be new OS fixes or releases. And everyone would be driving last years cars and using last years tech.
I'm happy for you that you are content with Catalina. However I have happily moved on and am pleased that most of the software world has moved on also.
But, you are correct, Dave has always been behind the curve👎 In my mind that's not a good thing.
Lou
First off, I did not say that Dave is behind the curve. He (and other developers) are just being cautious and meticulous. And it's only been about 7 weeks since the initial non-beta version of Big Sur was released.
Secondly, I do have 2 other critical ones: Onyx and Thunderbird. Onyx works very, very well with Tech Tool Pro. As for Thunderbird, another stellar performer, and definitely MUCH more stable that Appel's Mail program. (I am actually counting the latest version of LibreOffice as being compatible, but it is not quite 100% based on reports I have seen here).
I'm all for moving on to new technology, but one needs to be careful on doing that. I could download and test Big Sur, V11.1 (not the beta), when it comes out, and it would be on a separate external SSD. But I am certainly not foolish enough to make a complete switch now. Besides Big Sur still having issues, I am also taking that approach based on past experience with at least the last 4 versions of the Mac OS.
And to be clear, I do plan on permanently moving to Big Sur. But no need now, and once again, you miss the essential point: there is nothing earth shattering in Big Sur that compels me to move forward now.
Finally, your statement about last year's cars is obviously a flawed one. No way am I changing automobiles every year, especially given that 1) I take real good care of our automobiles, 2) again, nothing earth shattering in new models, and 3) we do not put very many miles on our cars. They work fine, thank you very much (just like Catalina).
Oh, and by the way, to re-enforce some of my earlier points, here is what the developer of Onyx states:
"macOS Big Sur was released on November 12. The version of OnyX specific to macOS Big Sur will probably be available four/five weeks afterwards."
Spot on! And four to five weeks is certainly acceptable.
And it looks like Thunderbird is getting real close, with V84.0b2:
support.mozilla.org
So, when those updates are available, (looks like real soon), I will download V11.1 (non-beta version) of Big Sur when it is released, install on a partition contained on an external SSD, and test it. Of course, the only 2 apps I will have left are SuperDuper! and Tech Tool Pro. But that's been my plan all along. Everything is falling into place nicely.
Again, I will put my money on at least V11.2 of Big Sur arriving in January, and SuperDuper! will be ready by then. Just have to wait for Tech Tool Pro.
"macOS Big Sur was released on November 12. The version of OnyX specific to macOS Big Sur will probably be available four/five weeks afterwards."
Spot on! And four to five weeks is certainly acceptable.
And it looks like Thunderbird is getting real close, with V84.0b2:
Thunderbird lag in MacOS Big Sur | Thunderbird Support Forum | Mozilla Support
support.mozilla.org
So, when those updates are available, (looks like real soon), I will download V11.1 (non-beta version) of Big Sur when it is released, install on a partition contained on an external SSD, and test it. Of course, the only 2 apps I will have left are SuperDuper! and Tech Tool Pro. But that's been my plan all along. Everything is falling into place nicely.
Again, I will put my money on at least V11.2 of Big Sur arriving in January, and SuperDuper! will be ready by then. Just have to wait for Tech Tool Pro.
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^^^^You keep saying 11.1 "when it is released", it is released in GM👍 Build (20C69). Yep, 4 to 5 weeks is OK, but as I have posted, there is no outlook from Dave - NONE🤔
And BTW, just because I do not agree with you and your regime doesn't mean I miss any points you continue to post.
Lou
And BTW, just because I do not agree with you and your regime doesn't mean I miss any points you continue to post.
Lou
I don't care if it's GM. V11.1 has not been released yet. I insist on the actual version that is released. Also, as I have clearly stated (and you still miss), I want at least 2 of my remaining critical applications to be compatible before I start testing. That has not happened quite yet, but is getting close.
But your disagreement does show you miss them.
Dave told me they are working on it. Are you calling him a liar? That's good enough for me.
^^^^This is my last post to you. This is getting silly. You seem to want the last word, so be it.
You sure like to use the noun "I". You used it FIVE times in a 2½ line paragraph🤔
Never called Dave a lair, Yep he's working on an update, what was posted was "no outlook". Just don't believe an update is very important to Shirt Pocket and for the life of me I don't understand why❓
What would your boss say to you, if he gave you a task and you told him (or her) I have no idea when I'll get it done
Lou
You sure like to use the noun "I". You used it FIVE times in a 2½ line paragraph🤔
Never called Dave a lair, Yep he's working on an update, what was posted was "no outlook". Just don't believe an update is very important to Shirt Pocket and for the life of me I don't understand why❓
What would your boss say to you, if he gave you a task and you told him (or her) I have no idea when I'll get it done
Lou
And you sure like to ignore what I say, along with continuing to mis-state what I have clearly stated. Example: I made it crystal clear that I will not start testing Big Sur until 1) V11.1 is released, and 2) 2 of my critical applications are updated. You then said "it is released in GM👍 Build (20C69)". Man, talk about saying something useless! That is not, I repeat, not a release of V11.1. It will be that once V11.1 is released, and no longer a GM.^^^^This is my last post to you. This is getting silly. You seem to want the last word, so be it.
You sure like to use the noun "I". You used it FIVE times in a 2½ line paragraph🤔
Never called Dave a lair, Yep he's working on an update, what was posted was "no outlook". Just don't believe an update is very important to Shirt Pocket and for the life of me I don't understand why❓
What would your boss say to you, if he gave you a task and you told him (or her) I have no idea when I'll get it done
Lou
Never called Dave a liar? Here is what you said:
"there is no outlook from Dave - NON"
Yet, I reported that he stated "we are working on it". If that's not calling him a liar, sure seems like it.
Without getting into a 'pissing match', what the hell have the developers, programmers, etc., of the multiple applications and programs that run on an operating system been doing during the "beta" testing period?
Is it a BIG surprise when the finished OS is released that the companies that did not have their act together during the testing period prior to the actual release?
Other vendors have their compatible version ready.
Sad, but reality.
Is it a BIG surprise when the finished OS is released that the companies that did not have their act together during the testing period prior to the actual release?
Other vendors have their compatible version ready.
Sad, but reality.
Regarding SuperDuper! (SD), here is a link to the blog for Shirt Pocket software:
You can see the issues Dave has had to deal with. For Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC), they had similar issues, but they have released an Intel version of CCC with Big Sur compatibility.
Also, as has been the case in the past, for any "intensive" disk reliant software, like SD, CCC, Onyx, and Tech Tool Pro (to name a few), it is always a challenge for them to have a version ready.
And if you look at this site:
Application Compatibility Table — RoaringApps
Crowd-sourced application compatibility for macOS, iOS and Windows.
you'll see that there are NUMEROUS programs that are still not yet compatible with Big Sur (and it's worse for M1-compatibility). And such incompatibility has always been typical. For my case, fortunately, there are only 4 left, and 2 of them are real, real close to having Big Sur-compatible versions available.
Besides, it is a known and proven fact that the first few versions of any Mac OS have bugs/issues. And I definitely see nothing "earth shattering" in Big Sur that would compel me to move from Catalina. That will happen after 1) I do some testing on my own, and 2) all my third party software is compatible.
You have WAY more guts than me! Hopefully you will not need a backup for a recovery. Stay safe!
It is not too risky yet
My insurance is a Disc clone before Big Sure and regular ™ backups
But I didn't think SD would take so much longer than CCC.
Will switch to CCC after 11.1 if SD fails further.
Understand. However, as of now, CCC has a version that works with Intel-based Macs only. Given that Tech Tool Pro won't be ready for a while, I'm willing to wait on SD. Also, I do plan on testing Big Sur V11.1 on an external SSD once Onyx and Thunderbird release their compatible versions, which should be very soon.
But for day to day tasks, I still have Catalina on both of my machines. I'll use it for any critical tasks, like backups, maintenance with Onyx and Tech Tool Pro, and transactions which I input into Quicken.
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A word to the wise, if you need your box for actual work never update to the latest OS. Every time I do this I have been sorry. Having used both CCC and Superduper I personally am sticking with Superduper. Unreal support and very solid product. I did own CCC and on one major OS update I was forced to buy a new license which definitely put me off. Superduper has been great in contrast.
^^^^I disagree, if you have the proper machine. My NcMP has ten SSDs mounted internally. Four are reserved for OS use only. Right now two are running Catalina. One is a clone of the other. Of the other two, one is running Big Sur, the other is MT, because no SD to clone it with Big Sur. I've used this scheme for a number of years. When I find the latest OS wont do something I need I defer to the previous OS. However, I have found no issues with Big Sur.
Lou
Lou
Well stated about not upgrading on your primary machine, at least for the first few versions of Big Sur. That is exactly what I am doing with both of my Macs (and have done for at least the last 4 versions of the Mac OS). Besides the typical bugs/issues in the first few non beta actual releases (ie, beyond GM), there is the critical issue of third party software compatibility. And of course, there's certainly nothing earth shattering in Big Sur that would compel me to upgrade.
When I do make the move, I do a clean, fresh installation of the most current version of the new Mac OS. That typically insures things will run smooth. Also, due to one of my critical third party applications always being last to have a compatible version available, I have done such a move typically after the .2 release of the new OS. For Catalina, it was after the .3 release. Meanwhile, I just remained running smoothly with the final version of the prior OS. So, for example, I am happily using OS 10.15.7. I do, though, plan on downloading V11.1 of Big Sur (the actual release of it)shortly after two of my remaining 4 critical applications have a compatible version. Will then install and test Big Sur on an external SSD. But will certainly not rely on it for my day-to-day tasks.
That is one drawback about CCC. It seems that both SuperDuper! and VueScan allow one to obtain each and every update for free.
In any event, you are exhibiting a very sensible approach. Way to go!
I can absolutely agree with this when you have critical environments that need to function. I only use the Mac for private purposes, so I can risk it more easily.
I have never done a clean install since 2008, so far without any problems. I also install and uninstall programmes from time to time, otherwise I pay little attention to the system and it runs fine.
Of course, not all programms and esp. driver run right from the start, especially when I switched to 64 bit with Catalina, it took a while until everything was available. And if something doesn't work at all, like old printers and scanners, I look for alternatives like VueScan.
But yes, being an early adopter is not the easiest way to go, but it is a lot of fun.
My next attempt will now be M1, and I'm looking forward to it.
That's why I also need SW developers who are close enough to new technologies.
SD, it's your turn now!
I have never done a clean install since 2008, so far without any problems. I also install and uninstall programmes from time to time, otherwise I pay little attention to the system and it runs fine.
Of course, not all programms and esp. driver run right from the start, especially when I switched to 64 bit with Catalina, it took a while until everything was available. And if something doesn't work at all, like old printers and scanners, I look for alternatives like VueScan.
But yes, being an early adopter is not the easiest way to go, but it is a lot of fun.
My next attempt will now be M1, and I'm looking forward to it.
That's why I also need SW developers who are close enough to new technologies.
SD, it's your turn now!
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CCC, like most commercial software, charges for major version upgrades. That's how they pay the bills. Users of the previous version can always upgrade for 50% off, or for free if purchased within a certain proximity to the major revision release.
CCC was fully Big Sur-compatible on the date of its release. The release version was initially unable to make bootable clones but there was a beta version that did so and it was released within a week or so.
SuperDuper seems to be a freeware app with certain paid features that can be unlocked like scheduling, scripting, etc.
If they're charging just one single payment for lifetime upgrades I'm not surprised to see they're slow with the development.
I don't mind paying for CCC. It's worth it. It's one of the most essential apps I own.
Wow really? I would've never known. Its not like you haven't been posting about this constantly for 3+ months now in every other thread posted in this forum..
We get it, you cant live without your backups and Big Sur is GOING to be riddled with bugs until 11.6.44345b3. Get over it already and just get back to work on your Catalina machine then.
We get it, you cant live without your backups and Big Sur is GOING to be riddled with bugs until 11.6.44345b3. Get over it already and just get back to work on your Catalina machine then.
The thing is, SuperDuper! has always performed well. And yes, updates for new Mac OS compatibility are not available immediately. But that's also true for CCC (and some other critical software). In fact, in the past, such updates tended to come out for both programs around the same time. Again, though, makes no difference to me (and I suspect others) when such a new version is released. I have other critical apps that also need upgrades, along with the bugs/issues associated with each new version of the Mac OS. And Big Sur is certainly no different.
I actually did not mind at all paying for SD after using the free version for about a year. Even though I don't use any of the additional features of the paid version, I do not mind at all supporting Dave at all. And it was only a one-time purchase of $27.99 (certainly can afford that!).
So, like you, I did not mind paying for SD. It is also one of the most essential and critical applications I own.