Too bad! I'll make pertinent comments whenever and wherever I want. And your "11.6.44345b3" part is bogus! I never use a beta version!
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Status of SuperDuper! and Big Sur
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After participating in the public beta of Big Sur, I decided to upgrade day 1 as everything I use on a daily basis was working without problems. With that said, I have a couple programs that still need updates to big sur to be fully compatible. One program (Onyx) has recently been released for Big Sur so that's one down, and 3 more to go.
The Apps I'm waiting on are:
Screen Flow
Sound Siphon
SuperDuper
I have both CCC and Superduper, however I have been using Time machine the last couple years simply because it's built in, and typically I don't require bootable backups, but I have the tools when I do.
I think my biggest frustration is lack of communication from some developers on their site.
For example the apps above, I know they are working on big sur updates, but it's been about a month since that news was posed either by email, or on the site itself. Since then, there hasn't been any updates on the progress being made.
Like I said all apps i'm waiting on, aren't critical for me, so I can wait and still use Big Sur without problems. It would just be nice to have some updated information. I know I can always contact support, but it would be nice to just have it on the site so people don't have to overwhelm the developers with questions.
The Apps I'm waiting on are:
Screen Flow
Sound Siphon
SuperDuper
I have both CCC and Superduper, however I have been using Time machine the last couple years simply because it's built in, and typically I don't require bootable backups, but I have the tools when I do.
I think my biggest frustration is lack of communication from some developers on their site.
For example the apps above, I know they are working on big sur updates, but it's been about a month since that news was posed either by email, or on the site itself. Since then, there hasn't been any updates on the progress being made.
Like I said all apps i'm waiting on, aren't critical for me, so I can wait and still use Big Sur without problems. It would just be nice to have some updated information. I know I can always contact support, but it would be nice to just have it on the site so people don't have to overwhelm the developers with questions.
Regarding SuperDuper!, Dave Nanian is very responsive, and he will let you know some more details, if there are any.
Regarding the time frame, in actuality, these releases are the same as I have seen before. Most apps are compatible when the initial non-beta version comes out, but then at least for me, the order of remaining apps for compatibility are Onyx, Thunderbird, SuperDuper!, and Tech Tool Pro. As stated above, Onyx the other day released a version compatible with Big Sur, and there is a second beta of Thunderbird that has showed a lot of promise (although I am using the current non-beta version of it while testing V11.1 of Big Sur, and except for one very, very minor glitch, it's working fine).
Given that there is nothing earth shattering in Big Sur that would compel me to move to it now (same was true for at least the last 5 or 6versions of the Mac OS), and with it always being the case that the first 2 or 3 non-beta releases contain bugs (someone who is on the beta release cycle has already been notified of a V11.2 starting to be developed), it does not bother me at all. In fact, I suspect I will not make the permanent move until late January or February, as that is when, most likely, Tech Tool Pro will have a compatible versions (I assume SuperDuper! will already be compatible by then). That would mean that by that time, V11.2, or possibly V11.3, of Big Sur will be available. Meanwhile, I am perfectly fine with using the latest version of Catalina until then. I will also continue to test Big Sur on my external SSD until then. IN fact, except for one or two daily tasks, and 3 weekly ones, I will be using Big Sur just about all the time (like now).
Regarding the time frame, in actuality, these releases are the same as I have seen before. Most apps are compatible when the initial non-beta version comes out, but then at least for me, the order of remaining apps for compatibility are Onyx, Thunderbird, SuperDuper!, and Tech Tool Pro. As stated above, Onyx the other day released a version compatible with Big Sur, and there is a second beta of Thunderbird that has showed a lot of promise (although I am using the current non-beta version of it while testing V11.1 of Big Sur, and except for one very, very minor glitch, it's working fine).
Given that there is nothing earth shattering in Big Sur that would compel me to move to it now (same was true for at least the last 5 or 6versions of the Mac OS), and with it always being the case that the first 2 or 3 non-beta releases contain bugs (someone who is on the beta release cycle has already been notified of a V11.2 starting to be developed), it does not bother me at all. In fact, I suspect I will not make the permanent move until late January or February, as that is when, most likely, Tech Tool Pro will have a compatible versions (I assume SuperDuper! will already be compatible by then). That would mean that by that time, V11.2, or possibly V11.3, of Big Sur will be available. Meanwhile, I am perfectly fine with using the latest version of Catalina until then. I will also continue to test Big Sur on my external SSD until then. IN fact, except for one or two daily tasks, and 3 weekly ones, I will be using Big Sur just about all the time (like now).
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In my experience, Big Sur has been MUCH better than Catalina on initial release. In my own usage, except for the apps not ready, all bugs have strictly been cosmetic. I have had a couple kernel panics, but they seem to strictly be tied to the usb enclosure / drive I use for time machine, it doesn't like to unmount without essentially being forced.
That only happens on shutdown / restart, never when the OS is actually running. With this being said, I was only making comments about the apps, because I'm surprised these particular apps are taking so long. They came much faster on Catalina, and from an Intel prospective, I'm not sure with the exception of the UI, that Big Sur is much different. My biggest thought would be M1 support and the developers just not wanting to do Intel only versions.
Before Big sur was released, I figured as many problems people had with Catalina they'd all be chomping at the bit to get off of it.
Yes, like you, I am not having any real issues (again, just a very minor one with Thunderbird). But as I stated, I started by doing a clean, fresh installation of V11.1. I never bothered with any of the prior releases (beta ones, plus initial V11.0 production release). But yes, so far, so good.
I didn't put the beta on my iMac, did an upgrade from Catalina to 11.0.1 and all went well. I did however put a clean install in a VM using Fusion, to compare the host and guest. All glitches I've had on the host, have also shown up in the guest, so that shows in my case, the upgrade was successful, and the glitches aren't a result of that. As far as Thunderbird, i'm surprised you had any issues with it. Firefox has been solid, especially since version 84.
Anyway, all anyone can do now is just wait for things to settle down, and mature. The most unusual bug I've had in Big sur is blu-ray discs mount with no icon, it's a blank square with the name under it. Yet, CD and DVD icons work just fine. I don't remember EVER seeing an issue like that on any version of the Mac OS.
"Anyway, all anyone can do now is just wait for things to settle down, and mature. "
Exactly! I am going to continue testing Big Sur on my external SSD, especially since it will be a while (estimating end of January) before Tech Tool Pro has a compatible version (that assumes SuperDuper! also has a compatible version by then).
Exactly! I am going to continue testing Big Sur on my external SSD, especially since it will be a while (estimating end of January) before Tech Tool Pro has a compatible version (that assumes SuperDuper! also has a compatible version by then).
You defend SD in every post you make. If you can excuse this long development phase, then fine for you.
I don't think SD can take their time until the last software and everything is running super stable. Innovative companies are first movers.
The competition has been on the market for weeks with a first solution (yes, only for Intel, but that's currently enough for 90% of current users) .
No trace of SD. No answers on Twitter either, only a reference to the blog and patience. That is NOT sufficient, so you do not keep customers.
I test meanwhile already CCC and can say that it can create bootable clones under Big Sur and after some familiarization is also easy to use.
SD has for me still 25 days to improve, then ends my testphase of CCC and I will buy the product, because it works very well.
My defense of SD is justified, especially based on 1) past experiences with just about every version of the Mac OS, 2) the valid statement I made about the first few versions of any Mac OS having issues, and 2) nothing earth shattering in Big Sur (nor any other prior Mac OS) that would compel me to move to Big Sur. And so far, the timeline I have experienced in the past about new versions of the Mac OS and associated issues is falling right into place.
Now if Tech Tool Pro does come out with a version compatible to Big Sur, but nothing on the horizon yet for SD, then I will switch to CCC (unless there are still some issues with Big Sur). But as long as that is not the case, I'll just wait. Catalina is rock solid, works flawlessly, and easily satisfies my needs.
I decided to Keep a copy of Mojave as my secondary copy of the macOS so I can continue to have 32-bit support in the rare case I need it. However, today I could go to Catalina as my secondary OS but the external drive is set up, and is stable. Thankfully I don't need to boot much into it. I'll usually boot it to make any updates needed every couple months.
Understand. There are two 32 bit I really miss: Quicken 2007, and Magic Number Machine. Did find a replacement for Quicken 2007 (Quicken 2017), but no free one for Magic Number Machine.
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For me, it's a couple of old DOS games from GOG. Most of my games have been updated to 64-bit applications even though the games themselves are 32-bit. The DosBox instances have been updated. The problem is, a few of the games I have were packaged with Boxer, which was never officially updated to 64-bit. Therefore, neither have the GOG packages been updated. The advantage here is, the games will run in windows 10 under VMWare Fusion without problems under Catalina, or Big sur. Still having a 32-bit copy of macos is nice just to eliminate the extra layer of the VM. Technically I don't need to worry about that since the games are so old, and DOS based.
I use "Magic Number Machine" V1.0.32 works just fine in both Catalina & Big Sur. Right now I'm on the V11.2 Beta of BS.
And yes, Dr. Dr. Evil's post is On Point 👍
Lou
Thoughts ? Should I hold on for a SuperDuper update to cover Big Sur back ups or switch and buy CCC ? I'd rather not pay the extra for CCC as I have been using SD for years most reliably.
I'm currently on 11.0.1 and it's working perfectly but don't want to update to 11.1 without the safety of a bootable back up to restore to if the update goes awol.
And before anyone says I have two external SSDs I use as my boot drives ( due to the slowness of the internal 1TB drive on the iMac ), one has Catalina and the other Big Sur and I have another external drive which backs up both.
I'm currently on 11.0.1 and it's working perfectly but don't want to update to 11.1 without the safety of a bootable back up to restore to if the update goes awol.
And before anyone says I have two external SSDs I use as my boot drives ( due to the slowness of the internal 1TB drive on the iMac ), one has Catalina and the other Big Sur and I have another external drive which backs up both.
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Hi. I had the same problem with my Imac being slow. I got a great kit from OWC and with their videos and equipment, I opened up the Imac and put in a new super fast SSD. Good luck.
Not sure what that’s got to do with my post.
I’m quite happy with using my externals so no need to break open the case. I was asking about SD v CCC
That's my conundrum🤔 I have paid for a SD license and as I previously posted I like the interface and options that SD offers better than CCC. I am currently running BS 11.2 beta. What troubles me is the condescending and arrogant attitude of ShirtPocket and their reluctance to give its users an expected date for the update. They, IMHO, do not provide adequate customer support or service.
Also me, although I disagree with your "arrogant attitude" statement. Dave has always been willing to communicate, at least with me.
I also paid for SD a few years ago, and would really prefer to remain with it. I actually can wait "somewhat" longer regarding permanently moving to Big Sur (now testing V11.1 on an external SSD), as I have one other critical application, Tech Tool Pro, which still needs to offer an update. I suspect that will not happen until the latter part of January. I would hope that by that time, there would be an upgrade for SD. Additionally, apparently there are still some issues/bugs in V11.1, and V11.2 is in beta testing now. So, another reason why there is no need for me to move from Catalina at this time.
But, yeah, if Tech Tool Pro releases an update, but none for SD, I just might have to switch to CCC. Hopefully that will not be necessary.
Are you saying it can create a bootable backup/clone, just like either SD or CCC? I've never heard of that.
From Micromat site
I have never used the cloning tool, as I have SD.
| Volume Cloning Volume Cloning creates exact duplicates of your volumes for trouble-free archiving to backup your data and applications. Cloning volumes can also be helpful if you are upgrading from a smaller size hard drive to a larger drive. You have the options of creating a duplicate of an entire disk, file syncing by adding only the changed files to a clone, or cloning to numerous disc image formats. If you have an available drive, you can even use the tool to optimize disks that are especially fragmented. |
I have never used the cloning tool, as I have SD.