Android calling your name...that insecure unlock (via BT) will never make it to iPhone.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Other Straight Poll - Face ID or Ultrasonic ID
- Thread starter HolyGrail
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Android calling your name...that insecure unlock (via BT) will never make it to iPhone.
I think the implication is that in order to squeeze in the hardware required for TouchID - without increasing the overall size of the device - Apple would have to reduce or eliminate other components. The battery would be a good candidate to take this hit, since it's so large (relative to the iPhone's other innards).
No iris scanner this year.
Their 2D facial recognition is a joke: https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...-fooled-by-a-photo-video-or-even-your-sister/
[doublepost=1552388333][/doublepost]
Maybe. But Samsung had to dump iris scanner this year for some reason.
I would suggest that they removed the iris scanner because they wanted the balance the manufacturing cost of adding an ultrasonic finger print scanner which is more useful and practical. Nothing to do with engineering. But none of us really know.
What we do know is that you don't need to have a smaller battery or lose wireless charging to accommodate an under screen finger print reader. In fact the battery in the s10 is bigger than the one XS or XR I believe.
I see no reason why the next iPhone could not have both if Apple wished it (which they probably don't - maybe in a few years).
What we do know is that you don't need to have a smaller battery or lose wireless charging to accommodate an under screen finger print reader. In fact the battery in the s10 is bigger than the one XS or XR I believe.
I see no reason why the next iPhone could not have both if Apple wished it (which they probably don't - maybe in a few years).
Last edited:
That’s why i wrote above that it could be cost constraints or space or whatever it is. But the common theme for 2019 phones so far is.......either 3D facial recognition or under-display scanner.
Add in that under-display fingerprint scanners (optical or ultrasonic; optical is just bad) are far from perfect and that their implementation so far is much worst than Apple’s FaceID.
[doublepost=1552396007][/doublepost]TheVerge did another review on smaller S10...same conclusion:
“Speaking of the fingerprint scanner, it is the same as the one on the S10 Plus, which means that it’s not very good. It is slower and less accurate than the capacitive fingerprint scanners on many other phones, including last year’s Galaxy S9, and it’s nowhere near as convenient as the facial identification system on Apple’s iPhone XS and XR. Removing the preinstalled screen protector did improve my hit rate, but I’m still not a fan of this fingerprint scanner.”
The technology will improve and when it does they will add it.
Normal finger print readers on phones were terrible for years until Touch ID.
This new technology looks far from terrible though, just needs perfecting.
Face ID is also by no means perfect either btw.
Last edited:
Pretty much sums up where we are today.
Ultrasonic is even worse than a regular fingerprint scanner, less secure than FaceID, and a pain to use.
No biometric is perfect. FaceID is far superior to anything so far. No contest.
According to opinion of several Android website editors and tech writers......even tech writers that are not Apple friendly.
It's definitely better than ultrasonic because ultrasonic is worse than a standard fingerprint reader.
The ONLY benefit to the ultrasonic is it's under the screen. In every other functional way, it's worse while still having the same limitations like needing clean hands or not wearing gloves.
Ultrasonic works with wet fingers so that’s an improvement over other finger print readers.
I’m sure it will improve. This is a first gen product remember, give it time.
I’m sure it will improve. This is a first gen product remember, give it time.
You can't keep going on about one phones implementation of something like its the be all and end all.
It's a first gen technology.
The Face ID in an iPhone is basically a scaled down xbox Kinect which has been perfected over years.
As I have already said, it will get better and when it does, Apple will include it.
Or maybe Apple will perfect FaceID technology and continue to solely use FaceID as its much easier and more secure to use than TouchID.
After all FaceID is technically still a 1st gen product.
I’m a huge fan of FaceID and have been since day 1. I also think Apple will stick with FaceID. So I agree with half your post.
But I disagree about the security part. FaceID 1 is more secure than TouchID 2, but that doesn’t mean a more secure 3rd generation fingerprint reader couldn’t be developed. It’s been a few years. I bet they could get more precision if they tried. In my personal opinion, if Apple were to jump back into the fingerprint game, it would only be with TouchID 3 and it would need to be at least as secure as current FaceID.
Here’s the problem with your post, there is no such thing as ‘perfection’ with biometric security. It didn’t exist with touch ID, it didn’t exist with iris scanning with Samsung, it doesn’t exist with Face ID, and it won’t exist for any future biometric security. That’s called technology ‘as-we-know-it’, and it’s progressive where becomes more refined I’ve the course of time, but it won’t be perfected either.
Yes, Face ID is a first GEN product, but given it doesn’t always unlock successfully in every situation ideally, it still is a much stronger form of biometric security over touch ID in terms of security purposes.
Some people are saying it works well. Anyhow Apple wouldn’t do it for years by which point it will be mature and polished.
[doublepost=1552474971][/doublepost]
For every video you post like this I can find another one in which someone says it works well for them. Means nothing.
[doublepost=1552477039][/doublepost]
I think they removed the iris scanner because they would have had to have a notch if they had kept it. It’s a shame because the intelligent scan on the S9/S9 + worked really well.
Do you think Qualcomm would sell Apple the FPS when Apple still owe them money and are refusing to pay up?
It's more about the patents and technologies behind it than this current finger print scanner I would think.
Although I'm sure Apple have their own version working somewhere in a lab.
Loving life here with my s10+ ultrasonic FPS, works flawlessly even with wet hands. No way I would want to replace it with Face ID and the ugly notch that accompanies it. Yuk