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maflynn

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First impressions: Frustrating to use without a table with the kickstand and keyboard.

Really, my experience is the polar opposite. I find the SP3 to be very lapable, more so then my rMBP.
 

zhenya

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I agree with Mike. I really have no problems with the SP3 on my lap. I actually find it a lot more flexible in what positions it can work on.
 

balamw

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Really, my experience is the polar opposite. I find the SP3 to be very lapable, more so then my rMBP.

I've apparently got pretty poor posture and shorter thighs than you. The kickstand ends up on my knees if I lap it at a screen angle I like. My MBAs/rMBP and Lenovo are fine though.

Thanks for the recommendation zhenya.

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zhenya

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You might try letting the kickstand wrap over your knee. That's how I often end up using mine, and it is quite stable set like that.
 

balamw

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You might try letting the kickstand wrap over your knee. That's how I often end up using mine, and it is quite stable set like that.

But then the angle and distance of the screen is wrong. For me at least. I was most comfortable with it on the couch last night with the keyboard setting it on the arm of the sofa and twisting my body a bit.

Without the keyboard as a landscape slate it's fine. The soft keyboard is more usable than on my DVP8.

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maflynn

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I've apparently got pretty poor posture and shorter thighs than you.

Lol, yeah. I'm 6'3" so I have pretty long legs. Its not something I really considered when stating how it works well on my lap :p
 

sracer

macrumors G4
Apr 9, 2010
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I just received an Acer Aspire Switch 11 yesterday... 11.6" tablet w/keyboard dock, 4GB RAM, 128GB storage, Core i3, and active digitizer, $449... 1-line review:
budget version of a Surface Pro 3

(when I get some time I'll post a detailed review in a new thread)
 

mi7chy

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2014
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Kick stand is more versatile for me too. I can comfortably recline back in a chair with legs stretched out downward and it won't tip over backwards like a traditional clamshell laptop.
 

balamw

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My first trip with the SP3 on a completely full flight. Couldn't fit the keyboard and kickstand on the "table." I was however able to get some work done in slate mode with the on screen keyboard. (My neighbor had his rMBP 15" open on his knees most of the flight.)

The keyboard from the system tray doesn't have up/down cursor keys, so my command line fu was limited.

It would have been better if I hadn't put the pen "in a safe place" before my trip and left it at home.

Oh, and I also dumped a full glass of ice water on the keyboard at the airport restaurant. There I really appreciated the fact that there was no computer below it.

Sigh.

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ravenvii

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Mar 17, 2004
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The announcement of the new MacBook today made me realize that the Surface 3 has basically killed the laptop for me. If not for the Surface 3, I would surely be drooling all over myself.

But now? No question, it's a really *really* nice laptop, but I don't have an urge to buy one. It mainly made me look forward to a even thinner, fanless, USB C equipped Surface. :)

I was really impressed by the Surface 3, but didn't realize how much it has marginalized laptops in my mind until now.
 

Abstract

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Dec 27, 2002
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Yup, me too.

I'll likely be an SP4 buyer as well. I haven't seen much regarding Win 10, but probably because I've been using Macs since G3s were still popular and haven't paid much attention to Windows updates. I have dipped my toes into the Windows cesspool (sorry, old habit...) buy using a Nokia 925 for the past 18 months -- and loving it -- but never a full-blown computer.

But I'm here, in this thread, and that's the strongest message I can send to Redmond. ;)

Keep up the good work, and don't screw this up.
 

maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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It would have been better if I hadn't put the pen "in a safe place" before my trip and left it at home.
Yeah, the pen really does extend the ability of the SP3, I didn't think so, but i've gotten used to using it and its quite helpful


The announcement of the new MacBook today made me realize that the Surface 3 has basically killed the laptop for me. If not for the Surface 3, I would surely be drooling all over myself.
Same here, I like the new MB, the all day battery is great but I get good battery life with the SP3, good performance (though the MB will be faster) and all the niggling little bugs in the SP3 have been worked out.

The keyboard/trackpad of the MB looks fantasic, but so far its a bit of unproven technology. I'm not being a debbie downer, but rather pointing out that its basically a rev 1 model, and we have no idea what issues may crop up.
 

zhenya

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Still, Apple has upped the bar and the SP3 looks relatively chunky in comparison, with a keyboard and trackpad that don't compare. And in all likelihood neither of those will be improved until sometime next year. That's a long time to be caught behind.
 

maflynn

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Still, Apple has upped the bar and the SP3 looks relatively chunky in comparison, with a keyboard and trackpad that don't compare. And in all likelihood neither of those will be improved until sometime next year. That's a long time to be caught behind.
I think people who love the apple laptops will think the bar has been raised, and others who like the SP3 think they merely made a thinner laptop.

In a sense both are right the MB is a thinner laptop. I think the power of the SP3 really comes with the touch screen, pen, and its ability to be used like a tablet. The MacBook doesn't address this. I love what they've done with the keyboard and trackpad, no arguments there, but I still think the SP3 is a better product and I don't think it looks clunky now that the MB is out.
 

gotluck

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Dec 8, 2011
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watching the apple keynote yesterday, I kept thinking why would I choose this over a SP3? just my own opinion. For me the answer is only for OSX

or the yoga pro 3 for that matter if you are dead set on fanless
 

Cnasty

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Jul 2, 2008
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I use a 2014 MBA and I consistently battle myself on whether to switch to the SP3.

I guess we are so late in the game I will just wait until the SP4 and have the same battle.

My biggest reason is lack of VPN for my job on the MBA and my work laptop is a dinosaur and I prefer to work on my MBA for lightweight functionality and battery life.

The SP3 seems like it would fit those needs.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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watching the apple keynote yesterday, I kept thinking why would I choose this over a SP3? just my own opinion. For me the answer is only for OSX

or the yoga pro 3 for that matter if you are dead set on fanless

Why Apple would ditch USB is beyond me, I'm utterly confused. I'm all for future proofing devices, but USB is going to be here for a long time. Have you seen the size of the USB adapter??! No way I'm carrying that around just to plug in a mouse.
 

zhenya

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Why Apple would ditch USB is beyond me, I'm utterly confused. I'm all for future proofing devices, but USB is going to be here for a long time. Have you seen the size of the USB adapter??! No way I'm carrying that around just to plug in a mouse.

That's the full multi-function adapter.

This is the straight usb-c to usb adapter http://store.apple.com/us/product/MJ1M2AM/A/usb-c-to-usb-adapter?fnode=51

But who carries a wired mouse with a laptop like this?

In the end, the type-c connector will open up the accessory market for the MacBook like it has never been before with Apple's patented MagSafe. There will be every adapter imaginable. The most common ones will become small enough to stay permanently attached to the charge cable. Because there is nothing proprietary about the charging cable or brick, you'll see replacements that have the entire hub built into the brick itself. You'll see every iteration imaginable of docking hubs/docking stations, a category in which the MacBook line has always been sorely lacking.
 

apolloa

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Oct 21, 2008
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Here's an interesting comparison of the MB and the SP3.

https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/mic...cbook-vs-surface-pro-3-which-is-more-portable

I'm in agreement with many of the points that Thurrott puts but not all. I think though its a fair comparison.

I agree that the Surface Pro 3 is better, can't wait to see what the Pro 4 is like. My dream setup would be a Mac Pro, a Surface Pro and my current Xperia tablet, plus a small phone with the best camera so most likely an iPhone for me.

But I have to say, not entirely sure what the MacBook is supposed to be used for? It's got no power really. And for all other tasks surely an iPad and bluetooth keyboard is better?
 

Liquorpuki

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Jun 18, 2009
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Why Apple would ditch USB is beyond me, I'm utterly confused. I'm all for future proofing devices, but USB is going to be here for a long time. Have you seen the size of the USB adapter??! No way I'm carrying that around just to plug in a mouse.

Probably because they'll make a killing off adapters and first party cables

Bumper cases, smartcovers, 30 pin adapters, lightning adapters, camera connection kits, docks - Apple's good at getting people to overpay for rubber and plastic
 

zhenya

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But I have to say, not entirely sure what the MacBook is supposed to be used for? It's got no power really. And for all other tasks surely an iPad and bluetooth keyboard is better?

An awful lot of computing can be done on a machine like this. A lot of people - even students and business travelers, can do all of their work between a web browser and Office or a few other light-duty programs. It's been a while since these kind of users were CPU bound in their workflows. This kind of machine is perfect for them, and a lot more practical than an iPad (which by the time you add a keyboard is pretty much the same size and weight).
 

apolloa

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Oct 21, 2008
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An awful lot of computing can be done on a machine like this. A lot of people - even students and business travelers, can do all of their work between a web browser and Office or a few other light-duty programs. It's been a while since these kind of users were CPU bound in their workflows. This kind of machine is perfect for them, and a lot more practical than an iPad (which by the time you add a keyboard is pretty much the same size and weight).

Still not buying that, because the Air is a lot more powerful and has similar size and weight and is cheaper!
 

ravenvii

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Mar 17, 2004
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Still not buying that, because the Air is a lot more powerful and has similar size and weight and is cheaper!

People was saying that exactly same thing when the MacBook Air first came out.

The new MacBook isn't for people like you today, but it will be. Just like the MacBook Air wasn't, and now is.
 
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