Surface Studio discussion

[StoneJack]

Studio is a biggest threat to Apple's hold on graphic design, make no mistakes.
And Apple has to address it.
Whether it will be a touch/pen oriented extension to macOS or a superbig iPad Pro with Pencil support, Apple has to do something. I guess that Apple feels threatened now, actually, for first time in 10 years as Nadella rebuilds MS into a new force to reckon with. And its good that Apple feels that way, because only during those time, it made its best machines (starting from historical iMac)

 

[ndolebay]

I think a quality all-in-one Windows computer with high end hardware will make a lot of people question their iMac buying decision.

EASY, SURFACE STUDIO IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IMAC, IT WILL COST YOU EXTRA THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
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Studio is a biggest threat to Apple's hold on graphic design, make no mistakes.
And Apple has to address it.
Whether it will be a touch/pen oriented extension to macOS or a superbig iPad Pro with Pencil support, Apple has to do something. I guess that Apple feels threatened now, actually, for first time in 10 years as Nadella rebuilds MS into a new force to reckon with. And its good that Apple feels that way, because only during those time, it made its best machines (starting from historical iMac)

EASY, WHEN MS INTRODUCED WINDOWS PHONE, AND ACCQUARED NOKIA, I THOUGHT THEY WILL DO A DECENT JOB.

 

[AsprineTm]

EASY, SURFACE STUDIO IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IMAC, IT WILL COST YOU EXTRA THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
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EASY, WHEN MS INTRODUCED WINDOWS PHONE, AND ACCQUARED NOKIA, I THOUGHT THEY WILL DO A DECENT JOB.

Speak UP
I can't hear you!


On subject, once it's hackentoshed i would buy it.
Better than an low spect imac with bootcamp.
But that's just my opinion

 

[maflynn]

if apple had done that with the imac everyone would be saying wtf was apple
thinking - still a spinning drive....

That have and continue to say it. I think it was a mistake by Apple to include a spinning hard drive (a 5400 rpm drive no less), likewise, I think its a mistake by MS to do so as well.

 

[BarredOwl]

Who in there right mind would return to insecure virus laden windows after using MacOS

Someone who needs capable hardware. OS X ain't what it used to be anyway.

 

[8692574]

They did not release a Windows iMac, they mopped the floor with the iMac.

 

[the8thark]

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016...ace-studio-microsofts-first-desktop-computer/

What do you think of the new Microsoft designed all in one computer?
I think it looks nice but it's totally under powered for the very high price MS demand for it.

 

[keysofanxiety]

I think it's interesting. It's what a lot of people here wanted from the iMac. However Apple have made it clear that they're not going the touchscreen route for macOS (which is closer to my personal preference).

The good news is that other OEMs are bringing out some really great quality hardware that appeals to all sorts of users. It's now not a case of if you want quality, you can feasibly only go to Apple.

This is only good for the consumer, as it means there's a good quality product available for every workflow.

 

[0388631]

HP and Dell make high end all in ones for business environments that blow this out of the water. They're hideous though. They also offer Xeons, IIRC. It's very pretty, though. Something about a large glass screen is gorgeous. I'm curious about REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE on this all in one, though.

 

[maflynn]

They did not release a Windows iMac, they mopped the floor with the iMac.

Yes, but when this thread was started, the OP (and the rest of us) didn't know what the name of it will be.

I agree with your sentiment however

 

[8692574]

Yes, but when this thread was started, the OP (and the rest of us) didn't know what the name of it will be.

I agree with your sentiment however

Thanks for the "agreement" I did not call it Windows iMac to "mock" the poster, but to emphasize that it is nothing like an iMac

Hopefully Apple will respond (hopes are low here!!)

 

[xgman]

This kind of says it all for Apple and Mac

 

[tomwvr]

If it was a SSD drive machine I would say MSFT did a great job but its 2TB HDD so blah.

 

[tubeexperience]

Yes, but when this thread was started, the OP (and the rest of us) didn't know what the name of it will be.

I agree with your sentiment however

Would you mind changing the name of this thread to "Surface Studio discussion"?
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016...ace-studio-microsofts-first-desktop-computer/

What do you think of the new Microsoft designed all in one computer?
I think it looks nice but it's totally under powered for the very high price MS demand for it.

Is it expensive? Yes.

Is it overpriced? Maybe not.

Wacom Cintiq 27QHD 27" Touch costs $2799.95 and that's without the PC.

I haven't seen a product similar to the Surface Studio that costs less.

 

[cynics]

EASY, SURFACE STUDIO IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IMAC, IT WILL COST YOU EXTRA THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
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EASY, WHEN MS INTRODUCED WINDOWS PHONE, AND ACCQUARED NOKIA, I THOUGHT THEY WILL DO A DECENT JOB.

Huh? Obviously people are questioning buying an iMac point in case is this thread.

Personally it's not even the same product category as an iMac for me.

 

[Lesser Evets]

Wacom Cintiq 27QHD 27" Touch costs $2799.95 and that's without the PC.

That's the best.

I thought Microsoft was off the map, and the general design looks crap, but the price-vs-function of it is brilliant.

Apple should have put this out in their product line about 6+ years ago. They could have; this isn't exactly something that is shockingly new tech. The fact is that Apple didn't, because they look backwards nowadays, and MS is looking forwards. The moment touch became a feasible paradigm, the old-style input became yesterday's tools.

If Apple isn't going to update every year, if they aren't going to give top-end processors, if they aren't going to reduce price, if they aren't going to increase functionality... what are they doing?? Nothing, naturally. They have been sitting on their asses and innovating them.

 

[jackoatmon]

This computer looks totally amazing.

I have a 27" iMac, and am a creative professional.

I think both companies this week showed creative professionals that they really DO care. Apple and Microsoft. I mean say what you will about emojis, but in the Touchbar demonstrations Apple was SUPER focused on creative arts – they even got Adobe and a random DJ in there and did a big section on video editing with FCPX.

And Microsoft has even gone a step further, by demonstrating an alternate vision of computer UX. I mean think about going from a Wacom tablet to an entire screen as your input!

This week has been the most focused-on-professional-creatives the computer industry has been ... ever. Hands down.

I'm not a rich person – but the nature of my work means that I never ever skimp on computer costs, not one penny. I'd rather eat canned spaghetti for a month than undercut my primary money-making machine. So the costs are not "high" at all. Paying $5000 for one of these machines is totally fine. It pays my entire salary every year for 3-5 years!

 

[maflynn]

Would you mind changing the name of this thread to "Surface Studio discussion"?

All set, the title has been updated.

 

[jerwin]

The resolution is less. But, the Cintiq 27QHD is a little cheaper. And, better. Probably. Because you can use it on a Mac or whahaveyou.

I don't think the design of the Surface Studio is anything special, to be honest.

And, to be honest, to say that this is copying from Apple design is kind of a slap in the face of Jon Ivy.

The thing is far from apple products I know of. The Surface Studio is more like the recent smartphones, bezel less mania, tv designs from the past 3 years of looking at products at CES and similar events.

Thank you.

The cartoonist Mike Krahulik likes his Surface Studio.

https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surface-studio

Moving the Studio from one position to the next is startlingly easy. You can adjust it to whatever angle is most comfortable for you with two fingers. Once there the Studio provides enough resistance to draw comfortably without worrying about pushing it out of position. When you are drawing on it, the screen is completely engrossing. At a distance the screen is beautiful but when you are on top of it drawing, it’s absolutely stunning. Tycho asked me to compare it to my Cintiq, and I told him that drawing on the Cintiq now felt like drawing on a piece of dirty plexiglass hovering over a CRT monitor from 1997.

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When I first saw the device months ago in that secret room at MS, they asked me what I thought. I said, “Well I have no idea if anyone else will want it, but you have made my dream computer.” I recognize that not everyone needs or wants a computer they can draw on. Some people do though and I will tell you that the Surface Studio is without a doubt the best digital drawing experience I have ever tried. I was trying to help Tycho understand why the Studio was so exciting. I spend 6 to 10 hours a day drawing digitally and I have for more than a decade. The Cintiq and the Surface, these are like my tools or my instruments. I am intimately familiar with how it feels to create things on these sorts of devices and the Studio honestly feels like a generational leap forward.

I'm not an artist, but I can grasp the appeal.

Apple now has some experience with the iPad Pro and its Pencil. I would have thought that they would be hip to the concept of a pen enabled computer with a screen this large.

Yeah, yeah. Gorilla arms. But that's why the screen tilts.

 

[oakrrl]

So Microsoft is going to release an 'Elegantly designed' 21, 24 and 27 inch all-in-one on October 26th.

So what does this mean for iMac?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ve-mysterious-rumoured-launch-desktop-PC.html

I hope there's something by end of January. I've been waiting for new iMac, my old 2009 iMac (top of the line then, i7, 16 gigs RAM, etc.) is barely useable. Very disappointed no upgrade yesterday - For the first time in 30 years (!) of Mac use I'm debating going over to Windows due to lack of iMac upgrade yesterday,. Yes the current retina iMac is pretty good but I'm unwilling to buy something without USB-C/3.1 support, not to mention over-priced

So Microsoft is going to release an 'Elegantly designed' 21, 24 and 27 inch all-in-one on October 26th.

So what does this mean for iMac?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ve-mysterious-rumoured-launch-desktop-PC.html

For the first time in 30 years (!) of Mac use I'm debating going over to Windows due to lack of iMac update yesterday, so I'm reluctantly considering this MS machine (sigh). My old 2009 iMac (top of the line then, i7, 16 gigs RAM, etc.) is barely useable. I can maybe get by until January but if no new iMac by then.....Yes the current retina iMac is pretty good but I'm unwilling to buy something without USB-C/3.1 support, not to mention current model storage is over-priced

 

[Krevnik]

I'm not an artist, but I can grasp the appeal.

Apple now has some experience with the iPad Pro and its Pencil. I would have thought that they would be hip to the concept of a pen enabled computer with a screen this large.

Yeah, yeah. Gorilla arms. But that's why the screen tilts.

Yup, for the market it is aimed at, it's really good. It actually has the same problem Apple has had for a while: If you want what Apple gives you, the price isn't that uncompetitive. If you don't, there are better options out there for you.

But this also doesn't surprise me that Microsoft did it first. They've been pushing pen-enabled interfaces since ~2000 (give or take a year, since I think the first was 99). Apple finally pen-enabled their tablet after 5 years of it being on the market.
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For the first time in 30 years (!) of Mac use I'm debating going over to Windows due to lack of iMac update yesterday, so I'm reluctantly considering this MS machine (sigh). My old 2009 iMac (top of the line then, i7, 16 gigs RAM, etc.) is barely useable. I can maybe get by until January but if no new iMac by then.....Yes the current retina iMac is pretty good but I'm unwilling to buy something without USB-C/3.1 support, not to mention current model storage is over-priced

This is a bit confusing considering what you stated immediately afterwards... The Surface Studio is Skylake like the iMac, is USB 3.0 x 4 like the iMac, and charges through the nose to get more than 1TB storage (unless you happen to want the CPU and/or GPU upgrades that come with).

If you are bailing on the iMac, I'm not sure how this meets your needs any better unless the the pen input is a killer feature. Perhaps a nice MicroATX built system and a display?

 

[mollyc]

If Apple put this out, I would absolutely buy one. I think the concept is fantastic. I'm not even a professional, just a SAHM with a photography and scrapbooking obsession. But I use my little Wacom Bamboo every day and would love to have a giant pen enabled screen to use in LR & PS.

But I've been using a Mac since 2008 and don't want to go back to Windows. Incidentally, my top of the line late 2012 iMac cost right around $3k, so the price doesn't inherently bother me.

 

[kdarling]

Is it expensive? Yes.

Is it overpriced? Maybe not.

Plus, as Apple fans have noted for decades, hardware cost isn't everything.

Heck, almost anyone who's ever bought an Apple product, has defended paying more than the hardware specs are valued at, because we think it's worth it to get something desirable.

And Surface Studio has desire written all over it.

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What kills me is how long it's taken for it to come out. Microsoft has been building and showing off stuff like this in R&D for a very long time, but it's always been held back from market by Gates and Ballmer.

 

[maflynn]

If Apple put this out, I would absolutely buy one. I think the concept is fantastic.

Apple has made made the strategic decision that Mac should not have touch screens, much like iPads should have a menu bar. I think its a mistake and basically closing the door to some fantastic products

 

[0388631]

https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surface-studio

That have and continue to say it. I think it was a mistake by Apple to include a spinning hard drive (a 5400 rpm drive no less), likewise, I think its a mistake by MS to do so as well.

I agree with you. It's rather funny how other AiO's have moved on toward using PCI-SSD or have space reserved for a SSD. There's only one AiO that can be specced out quite nicely, even with a Xeon if you must, but it doesn't look elegant like other solutions.