Surface Studio discussion

[namethisfile]

To you, yes.

Design is not to one person. There is no such thing as design for one person. Design is not subjective.

The reason why the design of the Surface Studio sucks objectively and universally is that it's like a giant 28" phone connected to a base with an articulating arm.

That's not design. That's slapping together parts using the 2012-2016 design language called bezel-less... there is nothing more to say than that it is like the design language/aesthetic of smartphone companies from 2015 to now but Microsoft turned it into a computer.

The design looks boring. thus, it sucks!

Also, Microsoft didn't solve the issue to the articulating arm. That thing from what I can see online doesn't seem like it was designed well. By well in that it sticks out (pun intended) too much and doesn't seem as elegant as the thinness of the display. The base is also as obtrusive as the arm.

And, the other reason why I hate the Surface Studio is that I think Microsoft, like manufacturers and industrial cock heads alike would like you to think that thinness equals progress. And that thinness can solve design problems automatically. And, that thinness will somehow attract "buyers." So. please don't buy it.

Thank you!

 

[richinaus]

2k is my upper limit on a computer and so I agree. We can talk about how this is directed towards professionals or the enterprise sector till we're blue in the face, the fact remains - 3,000 is a lot and I can't justify that

Sorry but $3k is peanuts in relation to the amount of money I would earn on this machine within my business. I can justify having it as a second computer even..... You are obviously not in business or if you are the wrong one if this seems expensive.

 

[scotttnz]

I don't understand the grousing about the price..

It has a 28" 4500x3000 DCI-P3 capable multi-touch screen!

I think there's a great value case to be made, it's a really cool implementation of a use case (artists/editors/designers, etc) and it's some MUCH needed desktop OS+hardware combo competition for Apple.

(oh and it's 3:2 aspect ratio makes me insanely jealous)

I agree, it's not a bad price for what it offers, but it is niche. It's not going to sell to the mass market at that price, and I don't think that is Microsoft's intention. It does target a market that Apple has been traditionally strong in though, and I think it will do well in that market.

The Surface Studio is not for me, but it certainly looks like an interesting product. It will make tomorrows Apple event that much more interesting to watch.

 

[turbineseaplane]

The Surface Studio is not for me, but it certainly looks like an interesting product. It will make tomorrows Apple event that much more interesting to watch.

Or possibly depressing if you, like me, really are longing for a bit more innovation in both mac OS as a platform and the desktop hardware side of things from Apple.

I'm a bit worried that tomorrow is a "new MacBook Pro" (finally) running (insert hyperbole about Sierra being amaze-balls the best OS) and maybe a spec bump to the same old iMac....

...and maybe something for the Mac Pro if they're being generous.

I'd LOVE to be overwhelmed with surprise - Trust me!

 

[Brien]

I hope this puts some pressure on Apple to make a Pencil-enabled iMac.

 

[\-V-/]

Design is not to one person. There is no such thing as design for one person. Design is not subjective.

Yes, design is subjective.

The reason why the design of the Surface Studio sucks objectively and universally is that it's like a giant 28" phone connected to a base with an articulating arm.

This here is what we call in the normal world an "opinion" ... I'm sure you've heard of this concept before. It can't suck universally since other people disagree with you. Let me help you:

of, affecting, or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to all cases.

See that definition there? It's not accurate ... cuz you know ... people have a different opinion than you. Crazy stuff, I know.

That's not design. That's slapping together parts using the 2012-2016 design language called bezel-less... there is nothing more to say than that it is like the design language/aesthetic of smartphone companies from 2015 to now but Microsoft turned it into a computer.

The design looks boring. thus, it sucks!

If you take a gander at this thread, quite a few are impressed by the design and like it. This contradicts you, thus, it's an opinion.

Also, Microsoft didn't solve the issue to the articulating arm. That thing from what I can see online doesn't seem like it was designed well. By well in that it sticks out (pun intended) too much and doesn't seem as elegant as the thinness of the display. The base is also as obtrusive as the arm.

So you've had hands on experience with the device? Good to know!

And, the other reason why I hate the Surface Studio [...]

Ah ... here it is. Your entire tirade is fueled by a biased hatred. At least I can see where it's coming from now.

is that I think Microsoft, like manufacturers and industrial cock heads alike would like you to think that thinness equals progress. And that thinness can solve design problems automatically. And, that thinness will somehow attract "buyers." So. please don't buy it.

I'm pretty sure that thinness is part of the design and usage of the device. You don't see massively thick Wacom tablets as they're designed for photography/drawing/etc.. That's why all the stuff is in the base. As I'm sure you know, the iMac gets really hot with all those hot components being behind the screen, so that's another reason for the computer to be in the base because nobody wants to use the touch surface when it's hot. But you know ... keep thinking their design is for absolutely no reason.

Thank you!

Oh you are welcome, sir!

 

[inhalexhale1]

Stop comparing this to an iMac. It's not even close. It's not even close to the 2001 iMac.

The design sucks man!

Visit a Microsoft store to see this thing in real life and then visit an Apple Store and compare the two computers. Also visit an antique store with an old iMac.

You wil be disappointed with that piece of trash Studio piece of sh#t!

You're out of your mind.
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I don't remember anymore.

I'm really hoping they have something special planned for tomorrow, and also update all their Macs with current components (regardless of a major redesign or not). Everyone can say what they want about the Surface line, but MS is exploring new areas and has interesting products.

 

[namethisfile]

Yes, design is subjective.


This here is what we call in the normal world an "opinion" ... I'm sure you've heard of this concept before. It can't suck universally since other people disagree with you. Let me help you:

of, affecting, or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to all cases.

See that definition there? It's not accurate ... cuz you know ... people have a different opinion than you. Crazy stuff, I know.


If you take a gander at this thread, quite a few are impressed by the design and like it. This contradicts you, thus, it's an opinion.



So you've had hands on experience with the device? Good to know!


Ah ... here it is. You entire tirade is fueled by a biased hatred. At least I can see where it's coming from now.


I'm pretty sure that thinness is part of the design and usage of the device. You don't see massively thick Wacom tablets as they're designed for photography/drawing/etc.. That's why all the stuff is in the base. As I'm sure you know, the iMac gets really hot with all those hot components being behind the screen, so that's another reason for the computer to be in the base because nobody wants to use the touch surface when it's hot. But you know ... keep thinking their design is for absolutely no reason.


Oh you are welcome, sir!

Design is not subjective. Good design is objective. And, I was being sarcastic for most of my tirade.

What?? You think you're being clever by saying "concept of opinion?" No way, dude!

There is no "here it is" in your reply. The Surface Studio existed only one day for me and for most of us since it was unveiled today. So, I had this amount of time to make my "opinion." there was no opinion of it before today whether I hated it or not. And my "hatred" of the Surface Studio is only a few hours old. How could a "bias" as you call it be only a few hours old? You don't "see" it, man. You like to "see" it. You want to "see" it. You want everyone to "see" it. But, you don't.

My argument about the thinness is that it is their whole "design." That's it. The thing is just thin. But, then, there are other other things that are not as thin as the display that is disharmonious to the overall "design", which are the arms and the rectangular base.

I think Microsoft would like us to think their design is successful because the monitor seems to float in the air. Except, it doesn't.

"You don't see massively thick Wacom tablets as they're designed for photography/drawing/etc..."

you're comparing a pen tablet now to an AIO computer? wtf?

"So you've had hands on experience with the device?" where the f*ck did you get that from my reply? My opinion is based on watching the video and photos of the device.

No. Thank you, sir!

 

[smoledman]

Design is not subjective. Good design is objective. And, I was being sarcastic for most of my tirade.

What?? You think you're being clever by saying "concept of opinion?" No way, dude!

There is no "here it is" in your reply. The Surface Studio existed only one day for me and for most of us since it was unveiled today. So, I had this amount of time to make my "opinion." there was no opinion of it before today whether I hated it or not. And my "hatred" of the Surface Studio is only a few hours old. How could a "bias" as you call it be only a few hours old? You don't "see" it, man. You like to "see" it. You want to "see" it. You want everyone to "see" it. But, you don't.

My argument about the thinness is that it is their whole "design." That's it. The thing is just thin. But, then, there are other other things that are not as thin as the display that is disharmonious to the overall "design", which are the arms and the rectangular base.

I think Microsoft would like us to think their design is successful because the monitor seems to float in the air. Except, it doesn't.

"You don't see massively thick Wacom tablets as they're designed for photography/drawing/etc..."

you're comparing a pen tablet now to an AIO computer? wtf?

"So you've had hands on experience with the device?" where the f*ck did you get that from my reply? My opinion is based on watching the video and photos of the device.

No. Thank you, sir!

You lost any credibility when you called it a phone attached to an articulating arm. Windows 10 is a desktop UI.

 

[Pakaku]

Microsoft is doing a pretty good job at making Apple look irrelevant and obsolete. Kind of weird how they're closer to what Apple used to be than Apple actually is today.

 

[smoledman]

Microsoft is doing a pretty good job at making Apple look irrelevant and obsolete. Kind of weird how they're closer to what Apple used to be than Apple actually is today.

For a lot of people macOS trumps any hardware coolness from Microsoft.

 

[Pakaku]

For a lot of people macOS trumps any hardware coolness from Microsoft.

But Apple doesn't want to do anything useful with their hardware these days. That's sort of a problem.

 

[original poster]

If this could run MacOS I'd order one ASAP.

The design is beautiful, purely the OS putting me off.

 

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They showed that off in the presentation, Panos rested his right hand on the display while using the stylus. He spent a few minutes noting the palm rejection technology being used.

I haven't seen the presentation so take this with a grain of salt, but if you search twitter for "surface studio palm", this turns up: "lol the palm rejection just deleted the first word Panay wrote on the Surface Studio" and if it's true it doesn't really say best palm rejection in the world...

Update: I just had a look at that segment of the presentation and something definitely happens after he writes the first word: it disappears right away but I'm not 100% sure it's palm rejection, it's not clear in the video but he just might have hit some kind of undo combination. In general from the video the latency seems okay but at full speed handwriting you can perceive some subliminal lag here and there. It didn't seem to me of a different category from the Apple Pencil, and for that price you can get an iMac, an iPad Pro and a pencil and work with Astropad

 

[JustMartin]

So, if Apple came out with this machine instead of Microsoft, at the same spec and at the same price-range. How many people, here, would buy it? To my mind, it's a lovely piece of kit that still addresses a niche (albeit a small and possibly lucrative one).

 

[Double-Slit]

I suppose I am a average (home) iMac user. I have never felt the need to flip over my 27" iMac on it,s back for reading the news, watching youtube or doing my daily stuff on it. I guess the Microsoft Surface Studio is special tool for a specific group of users.

 

[nss_gabriele]

So, if Apple came out with this machine instead of Microsoft, at the same spec and at the same price-range. How many people, here, would buy it? To my mind, it's a lovely piece of kit that still addresses a niche (albeit a small and possibly lucrative one).

They just cannot come out with the same tech today, it would be ridiculous.
I hope in at least a spec bump.

I got a 27'' Cintiq and I need to change my computer, so I'd prefer a touch-less iMac at this point, but in the future it's a very likely purchase – really, really interested in this form factor.

I suppose I am a average (home) iMac user. I have never felt the need to flip over my 27" iMac on it,s back for reading the news, watching youtube or doing my daily stuff on it. I guess the Microsoft Surface Studio is special tool for a specific group of users.

Maybe it is like this, or maybe you don't know yet what it would let you do with it. Pure Job-ism

 

[Double-Slit]

Would be great if the Surface Studio can be delivered with a induction screen, for cooking or perhaps gourmetting with the family

 

[maflynn]

Sorry but $3k is peanuts in relation to the amount of money I would earn on this machine within my business

I wholly agree, but then Apple also sells a 3,000 dollar computer aimed at creative professionals. I'm not justifying the price, because I think its too high, but clearly its aimed at someone (since its not aimed at the consumer)

 

[richinaus]

I wholly agree, but then Apple also sells a 3,000 dollar computer aimed at creative professionals. I'm not justifying the price, because I think its too high, but clearly its aimed at someone (since its not aimed at the consumer)

Yes, it's aimed at me, a creative professional if a product allows me to do something valuable then it justifys the cost. I can imagine this being very useful to me.

 

[Double-Slit]

Wondering why Microsoft, with their new Surface Studio, is investing so much in a 'relatively' small group of professionals/buyers?

 

[Macmamamac]

Wondering why Microsoft, with their new Surface Studio, is investing so much in a 'relatively' small group of professionals/buyers?

I don't think it is for a relatively small group of buyers. Yes, this first iteration might be, because it's so expensive for what on the inside. But, you don't actually have to use the touch functions or tilt functions. You could use it as standard desktop with the mouse if you wanted to.

As screens become cheaper and smaller and touch technology because the default, the ability to switch between vertical and horizontal will just become the default.

 

[Double-Slit]

If that's the case, the average user will eventually pay for costly applications/technologie the don't need/use and Apple will have to show us their counterpart soon in order to prevent loss of marketshare/sales.
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I don't think it is for a relatively small group of buyers. Yes, this first iteration might be, because it's so expensive for what on the inside. But, you don't actually have to use the touch functions or tilt functions. You could use it as standard desktop with the mouse if you wanted to.

As screens become cheaper and smaller and touch technology because the default, the ability to switch between vertical and horizontal will just become the default.

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If that's the case, the average user will eventually pay for costly applications/technologie the don't need/use and Apple will have to show us their counterpart soon in order to prevent loss of marketshare/sales.

 

[colodane]

Just curious: Does anyone know who manufactures the Surface Studio and where it is made?

 

[BobertKennedy]

So Microsoft is going to release an 'Elegantly designed' 21, 24 and 27 inch all-in-one on October 26th.

So what does this mean for iMac?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ve-mysterious-rumoured-launch-desktop-PC.html

Well, for one, it means Apple now has real, direct competition in the desktop market, and hopefully that will lead to improvements to the OS X platform and hardware. The Surface Studio is more expensive yet has better hardware and a rock-solid operating system. I'm not going to get in to the "OS X vs Windows" argument as they are both powerful operating systems, but until relatively recently were relegated to different use categories with OS X appealing to creatives and Windows appealing to business uses and corporate environments. The Surface Studio should serve as a face-slap for Apple, a wake up call. But I fear that wakeup call will go unheard: Apple is allocating so many resources to iOS that the OS X platform has suffered from lack of meaningful development - and the "iOSification" of OS X accomplishes nothing to aid the power user, and in fact it weakens the platform. I think that any person who uses their computer for serious creative work will be attracted to what the Surface Studio has to offer.