And whos fault is it that no one is Wooooooooooos till it is heard on the North Pole. But if it makes you feel better no is stopping you from doing exactly that.
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And whos fault is it that no one is Wooooooooooos till it is heard on the North Pole. But if it makes you feel better no is stopping you from doing exactly that.
They're actually pretty cheap for what they replace: a set up with a Cintiq.
The nearest equivalent set-up is $2000 more.
How can you tell that it's "overpriced" compare to Apple products when Apple doesn't even make anything like it?
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Lol. I am sure that Apple Pay, Touch iD, etc. are EXACTLY what the pros are looking for when choosing their PCs. /sarcasm
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And the new version of Paint is nothing more than an easy Zbrush for all
To be fair, Sculptris already is ZBrush for all...
Went to see it with 3 other web developers during lunch last week, and we were all blown away. Not just by how it looks, but also with how it responded under touch. Wow. Let me tell you, you can drool over it. At home, we're all Mac guys, though we code on Windows machines in the office. But I like to play around with graphics with Illustrator and Photoshop, Clip Studio too. So I had to buy one. i7 16GB. The salesman in the Microsoft store surprised me when he told me that if you buy it in the store, I would get it this December.
I'd really like Apple to make something as good as this, but you know, I'm not MARRIED to Apple, so I'm into Windows now. If Apple doesn't care, then I don't either!
I'd really like Apple to make something as good as this, but you know, I'm not MARRIED to Apple, so I'm into Windows now. If Apple doesn't care, then I don't either!
So Microsoft will sell how many of these to creative pros in the next year - 5-10K? If they put native SSD + Thunderbolt 3 in the base it will bump the prices up another $1000.
$3999-$5299 your next year's Surface Studio!
and people talk about the 'Apple tax'. Give me a f-en break.
$3999-$5299 your next year's Surface Studio!
and people talk about the 'Apple tax'. Give me a f-en break.
I had a chance to play with a Surface Studio yesterday and while I didn't really put it through its paces my initial thoughts of it, were that the computer is an incredible machine. I want one, but not at the price point.
For all the talk that I posted about not minding Windows, I think I'd miss OS X too much but also the price point is killer. I really don't need to spend that much money on a machine.
My iMac is a fantastic machine and since I'm not a creative person, I do wonder how much I'd really use the touch screen in a desktop formfactor. I do use the touch screen on my SurfaceBook but that seems more natural and I do that at times in place of a mouse. I don't see how that functionality would be better on a desktop.
Still I have to hand it to MS, on creating such a beautifully designed computer. The screen is gorgeous, The resolution is a bit higher then the iMacs I believe but the scaling and crispness of it, wasn't bad. I'm usually quick to knock Windows's scaling technology (this is where Apple has the edge), and of course I couldn't test my apps, but initially it did look great.
For all the talk that I posted about not minding Windows, I think I'd miss OS X too much but also the price point is killer. I really don't need to spend that much money on a machine.
My iMac is a fantastic machine and since I'm not a creative person, I do wonder how much I'd really use the touch screen in a desktop formfactor. I do use the touch screen on my SurfaceBook but that seems more natural and I do that at times in place of a mouse. I don't see how that functionality would be better on a desktop.
Still I have to hand it to MS, on creating such a beautifully designed computer. The screen is gorgeous, The resolution is a bit higher then the iMacs I believe but the scaling and crispness of it, wasn't bad. I'm usually quick to knock Windows's scaling technology (this is where Apple has the edge), and of course I couldn't test my apps, but initially it did look great.
Yeah, I think one of the issues Apple is facing here is that Perfect is the enemy of Good Enough. Being a developer on both platforms, the touch experience I can create with iOS is worlds apart from what I can do in Windows. But either one is good enough for an awful lot of things (and iOS' gesture flexibility is underutilized by third party devs, IMO). The way that Apple evolves the platform makes Apple's approach to moving to Retina a little more preferable to me, and gets more of what the user does migrated to the higher resolution displays faster. Doesn't hurt that Apple's typography work keeps it ahead of Windows, at least in my view. But again, Windows is good enough here if you can put up with a swath of third party Win32 apps that don't support scaling, or don't happen to use any of them in your workflow.
But yeah, the hardware design of the Surface Studio is really good. I'm not fan of the Surface Book myself, but the Studio and the Surface Pro are both good computers trying to bring touch to desktop platforms. It's a shame that it's the software that I think is the weakest part of the package.
I had a chance to compare everything but the Surface studio. I used the iPad with pencil and then immediately used a surface pro book and its pen.
IMO, nothing compares to the pencil and iPad Pro. The lag is excellent compared to current surface, and it better than current cintiqs (new ones have been announced but have not hit the market which look absolutely top of the line, with little to no lag and no parallax).
But that pencil simply wins hands down for me with the tip. you can shade using the side of the pencil like you could with a charcoal pencil. That is bonkers.
All of the other devices use super tiny nibs. They may support tilt, but Apple really, really got it right. So much so that I'm set on buying the large iPad pro when it is updated. If Apple updates the pencil and it gets any better, I see few companies competing with Apple for my dollars.
Surely the display will be upgraded, too.
IMO, nothing compares to the pencil and iPad Pro. The lag is excellent compared to current surface, and it better than current cintiqs (new ones have been announced but have not hit the market which look absolutely top of the line, with little to no lag and no parallax).
But that pencil simply wins hands down for me with the tip. you can shade using the side of the pencil like you could with a charcoal pencil. That is bonkers.
All of the other devices use super tiny nibs. They may support tilt, but Apple really, really got it right. So much so that I'm set on buying the large iPad pro when it is updated. If Apple updates the pencil and it gets any better, I see few companies competing with Apple for my dollars.
Surely the display will be upgraded, too.
I think the target market of the creative is quite specialised for the Studio and would see how someone who would not make full use of the pen input for productive work would not see the value in it. Seems MS have completely targeted this at people like myself [architect & designer] and it does make total sense to me. I am really struggling with it as I know I will want one when I see it as it is my dream computer.
At the same time can I handle the constantly smudged screen and Windows 10? the latter yes, former no. Probably get it as a second machine
from my previous tests with pens / pencils /stylus I totally agree although the feel of a Cintiq pen is the best. For me the pencil feels a little plastic still although is a better experience than the surface.
The difference here is one computer with a screen you can draw on that is way bigger than an iPad - totally different experience for me and a lot more useful than an iPad, for drawings, markups etc [as I have mentioned before is totally designed for the architect / designer rather than artist I think as the Cintiq will be a better experience for an artist].
I think MS has already indicated (by way of their ads, emails, etc.) that the SS is built and marketed for a niche user base - not the average user.
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It's something that Apple should have been doing instead of building overpriced throwaway products for the masses. Apple no longer caters to the creative professional unless you count the $9,000 decked out Mac Pro. And that is without a monitor....
The SS will be a godsend for those in the industry who make their bread and butter utilizing its strengths. $4500 for SS can be paid for with one job.
Yes, it is quite clear who the target audience is, so I don't understand why people say it is overpriced, or 'not for them'. It is for architects, designers, engineers and possibly artists. A significant amount of my job is concept design, sketching, drawing on CAD software and marking up drawings. The concept design and marking up parts would be greatly enhanced by this hardware. I am not too sure on the rest for now as would get a very sore arm doing technical drawings on a 28" screen
I have tried the design and mark ups on an ipad pro and a surface and is difficult due to the screen size and speed of the hardware. I could imagine the studio being great for full size markups and also presentations, discussions etc with staff and clients.
No question, but the display is really gorgeous and the design is very apple like. Its something that I know I'd use, (other then the touch screen).
I complain about apple selling a laptop for over 2k, and I had issues spending 2k on the iMac, going to the 3k mark and not using one its major features is kind of silly. While I can enjoy the machine from afar, I'll stick with my iMac which is no slouch. I stand by my previous words in that I think this iMac is the best computer I've owned.
I would so love to have the Surface Studio as my work machine! I work as an engineer, primarily in Solidworks, and I can easily see how I would save loads of time using that machine compared to the dual core U-series i7 HP laptop (!) I am using now. I often do mark-ups on drawings and make renderings and stuff, where the touchscreen and more powerful hardware would really come in handy.
Too bad my company uses HP exclusively and that the Surface Studio is not available in Denmark yet...
Too bad my company uses HP exclusively and that the Surface Studio is not available in Denmark yet...
I'd like to try the new cintiqs. Early videos on youtube are showing insanely low cursor lag and people are marveling at the minimized parallax. They also look so much lighter and thinner. Not to mention that they have wide color gamut. Wacom had to step up their game.
I'm glad they are feeling pressure from Apple and MS. Wacom got complacent a few years ago and needed a good kick in the pants.
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I agree, my 5k late 2015 Imac is sensational, and i've used osx primarily since tiger, but I really like the SP4, I got a good deal from ebay. I love using the Imac and SP4, I'm thinking the SP5 with alleged usb-c TB3 would be amazing, especially when coupled with x2 5k ultrafine monitors, one for the imac, and one for the SP5.
edit: I do hope there is a dual TB2 workaround for the LF 5k ultrafine displays, the 5k imac is one of the best displays i have seen to date.
That's basically the same point I was making. The average user isn't going to buy a $4k iMac either. For the market these are targeting, the prices are not that high.
Upgrade the display and the pencil all you want. The iPad Pro has a terminal illness. It can't and never will run the applications that artists use and want. It must run Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop, full versions, or it is always going to be an oddity. A mixed-up mis-mash of an iPad. The drawing apps it has are ok, but don't compare to the real apps and you eventually have to transfer your work to a real computer to complete it. What a pain. God, has Apple misread the market here!
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Yes, it certainly is not a mass market computer. It is a special. So it naturally costs more.
I bet the niche it fits in though is still going to be a lot larger than everybody is guessing right now.
I bet you within 10 years Apple will lose so much money by holding iOS back in terms of software, that they will eventually open it up and do some sort of hybrid OS X / iOS mashup, but by this time it will be too late.
Astropad. It's what my best friend uses to work on photoshop on his iPad Pro.
This problem has already been solved. And solved well. But Apple should have solved it.