That's my point. Those PCs are usually bought from the likes of Dell for next to nothing in bulk, and they're serviceable. An all-in-one Windows PC will cost a lot more and won't be the latter.
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My wife works in a law firm, and they seem to like AIOs, I'm not sure why but I think there's a market for them
They won't be able to tell you. It will be something that's been read on the Interweb.
You really need only make that comment once
As for "spying" Its quite easy to adjust what if any information is sent back to mother ship
Less so in Win10. "Off" isn't a valid setting in the home versions unless you start mucking with the registry and other fun things (Basic has been reported as the lowest you can set it in many cases). When you need to go to a third party to easily disable the telemetry, things are getting a little weird, IMO.
Using the word "spying" is paranoid, IMO, but I do prefer if a company at least honors the fact that some people don't want to be a part of the real world focus group that is telemetry.
Obviously that is subjective. But for me it's all about integration of my mobile devices.
Windows could be just as good with a Windows Phone (I honestly don't know) but I'm not interested in a Windows Phone. Android and Windows, while they work perfectly fine together don't offer the experience or level of polish I'm looking for.
I use handoff, continuity, message app, iCloud Photo Library, Pages, Airplay, iMovie, and a ton of other things between OS X and iOS so regularly now I'm nearly lost without them. For example, transferring photos to my computer seems like a chore now that I don't have to anymore or quickly responding to an SMS while I'm working on my computer or answering a phone call.
So for ME OS X is far superior. If it wasn't for those reason I could care less. When I first came to OS X I just loved how I didn't need to tinker for days to get things I felt should be trivial to work in spite of its obvious limitations which I'll offer no argument that they exist.
Also in lieu of being a tinfoil hat wearer I trust Apple with my data slightly more than Microsoft....only slightly but enough worth mentioning.
Except, well, he didn't, really.
The Xerox Alto was not a commercial product - of the 1500 Xerox had built, 1000 were for internal use and the other 500 had been donated to universities and the government. Xerox's own studies showed a commercial model would be close to $40,000. And folks says the Lisa was expensive.
A fair bit of the Mac development team either had previously worked at PARC, interned there or knew people who were employed there. There were also two visits - one by the team and the second with Jobs. And the reason Jobs was there was because the team was afraid of being culled by Apple's BoD so they wanted Jobs to see what they envisioned the Mac to be part of in order to help protect them.
And in the end, PARC was granted a pre-IPO deal on Apple stock. So they did get a return on the "inspirational investment" they gave the Apple team (for if you look at the Alto and the Mac, the two GUIs share nothing other than concepts and even there, the Mac's OS was much more polished and functional).
I hope it really nice. Apple needs to wake up and make better iMac's. I love my base 5k iMac, but I heard it could have been better. I hope a iMac pro is real.
The Surface-line is great. Can't wait to see how the AIO turns out. Apple needs some competition in this space.
I really like my iMac 27", but it has looked more or less the same since 2009. That's 7 years!
I have been wishing for an iMac with proper display input, to use with video game consoles for so many years. I'm sure Microsoft will provide this in their offering.
I really like my iMac 27", but it has looked more or less the same since 2009. That's 7 years!
I have been wishing for an iMac with proper display input, to use with video game consoles for so many years. I'm sure Microsoft will provide this in their offering.
The 2008 iMac we use has transitioned from my primary work machine to the main computer in our household. It has run exceptionally well with no problems. It is still useful for all but high end graphics work. The only reason we are considering replacing it is that Apple won't allow Sierra to be installed on it and we look for the integration of features with our other devices running the latest OS or OS X.
I don't know that we would go back to a Windows AIO, but there are possibilities, such as the touch screen, that may make it attractive to our family.
Both Windows 10 and OSX are very polished and mature systems. There does not appear to be near the gap that there used to be. On the Surface Book side, I'd strongly consider it in lieu of my MBP if it had a decent Track pad. I've not found an equal to the Apple Trackpad and no longer need a mouse, even when working in AutoCAD.
There is also the issue of service. We use Macs in our home and office because we can simply take them in to the Apple Store and get our issues resolved when they come up. For MS to be truly competitive, they are going to have to address this in order for me to switch.
Now, back to the "waiting for Skylake MBP" thread...
I don't know that we would go back to a Windows AIO, but there are possibilities, such as the touch screen, that may make it attractive to our family.
Both Windows 10 and OSX are very polished and mature systems. There does not appear to be near the gap that there used to be. On the Surface Book side, I'd strongly consider it in lieu of my MBP if it had a decent Track pad. I've not found an equal to the Apple Trackpad and no longer need a mouse, even when working in AutoCAD.
There is also the issue of service. We use Macs in our home and office because we can simply take them in to the Apple Store and get our issues resolved when they come up. For MS to be truly competitive, they are going to have to address this in order for me to switch.
Now, back to the "waiting for Skylake MBP" thread...
You can take Surface machines to MS for service, and if you don't have one local, you can call and ship the machine for service, much like you can with apple (if there isn't an apple store near you).
Thanks. I found this after posting that. Going to go check out one of their stores.
Eh, are you kidding me?
I work with Win 10 everyday in my office, and I can definitely assure you that Win 10, albeit good, has a lot more problems than OSX. It is a lot more beta than Sierra or any OS X has ever been. It seems that software developers are always one step behind updating their software so it is compatible with it -- updates also erase a lot of the settings from previous versions which cause all sorts of communication problems with our server. Good, but not any better, and probably a tad worse than any OS X version.
I work with Win 10 everyday in my office, and I can definitely assure you that Win 10, albeit good, has a lot more problems than OSX. It is a lot more beta than Sierra or any OS X has ever been. It seems that software developers are always one step behind updating their software so it is compatible with it -- updates also erase a lot of the settings from previous versions which cause all sorts of communication problems with our server. Good, but not any better, and probably a tad worse than any OS X version.
What kind of problems?
I use windows 10 nearly every day, I'm on my iMac running windows 10 right now, and I use a Surface Book with windows 10. I've not had any issues, win10 has been rock solid.
I'm running a variety of apps, including Cisco VPN, RDP, Skype, office apps and few other apps and no problems
Same here -- using Windows 10 every day and the only issues I have are with GPU drivers. I've had both GTX 1060 and RX 480 and had annoying issues with both. Software wise no issues at all.
I'm a little hesitant to update my drivers as I'm rather pleased with how my system is currently running. I'm getting notified both from Apple, but also there's an AMD app telling me of the newer versions, but my system is stable, why mess with success.
I'm the same with OS X, as I'm not on Sierra yet, as I'm really happy with how that's running.
This type of thread really depresses me. There are so many urban myths both about OS X and Windows. Stories from way back that get embroidered over time and have no real relevance today.
There are also so many closed minds - on both sides I will concede, though I think the Mac fan is by far the worst IMO. Then there are also the incompetents e.g. those who don't really know their way round Windows mainly due to a lack of familiarity. With this group they try something and it doesn't work as expected so they immediately decry the OS as being rubbish.
I use both systems and TBH when using W10 I often think to myself ' if only OS X/MacOS did this so easily etc. I would say that Microsoft have really stepped up to the plate with W10 and it's now down to Apple to catch up.
There are also so many closed minds - on both sides I will concede, though I think the Mac fan is by far the worst IMO. Then there are also the incompetents e.g. those who don't really know their way round Windows mainly due to a lack of familiarity. With this group they try something and it doesn't work as expected so they immediately decry the OS as being rubbish.
I use both systems and TBH when using W10 I often think to myself ' if only OS X/MacOS did this so easily etc. I would say that Microsoft have really stepped up to the plate with W10 and it's now down to Apple to catch up.
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Yeah, it's really down to personal preference now. Both platforms do the same thing -- just with a different UI and minimal unique features/exclusive apps.
Yep
I love my iMac, but I will say that Windows seems to have some nicer changes, then the current iteration of macOS. But as you say, its personal preference.
I'm interested in seeing what MS has up its sleeve, though I as I mentioned before, I have a 2015 iMac, and I'll not be looking to replace that bad larry for quite some time. The one thing the iMac gives me that the Dell (and presumably) the MS machine is to easily run macOS and Windows. True, I can go the hackintosh route, but I've done that before and its no wear as simple, and seamless as bootcamp
If not only because a Microsoft "all in one" is like a 1984 Compaq, everything will be some weird driver, and anything you touch will just explode.
It's been terrible with this stuff for decades, why would it be any different now. It's one of the reasons I went to mac.
If people disagree with me on this, that's fine - I am happy they have a better experience with Microsoft 'trying' this sort of stuff out.
