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chrono1081

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So Microsoft is going to release an 'Elegantly designed' 21, 24 and 27 inch all-in-one on October 26th.

So what does this mean for iMac?

Nothing honestly. Despite internet rumor, people don't buy Macs because they're pretty, they buy them for the OS and user experience.

I personally can't see myself ever switching back to Windows. Mac has too many features I use constantly (Quicklook for example) that Windows doesn't and Mac OS and does far more than Windows (aside from gaming).
 

MacAlien

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Oct 17, 2012
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Might be me, but I'll laugh for a week if MS releases an iMac lookalike but with 10x better specs than Apple. Talk about a kick in the shin.

The days of PC vs. Macs are and should be done. Those thinking one is superior to the other or has some unproven disdain for one or the other need to get with the time. Both platforms have their ups and downs. Win10 really isn't bad. I preferred Win7 but the two are comparable. Sierra has a plethora of bugs, not to mention Apple more or less discontinuing support of OpenGL, which they didn't really support very well in the first place and then are trying to force devs and companies to adopt their new Metal, which going by their own history might be supported for another year then fall by the wayside. ;)
 
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Lankyman

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If not only because a Microsoft "all in one" is like a 1984 Compaq, everything will be some weird driver, and anything you touch will just explode.

It's been terrible with this stuff for decades, why would it be any different now. It's one of the reasons I went to mac.
If people disagree with me on this, that's fine - I am happy they have a better experience with Microsoft 'trying' this sort of stuff out.

Well you've hardly got a vested interest in the Apple eco system have you. :p
 

Floris

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Well you've hardly got a vested interest in the Apple eco system have you. :p
<3 Apple! But i really hope Google, Microsoft, etc.. That they get their stuff together. Who knows! This thing they might release might blow us all away and we switch next upgrade to a ms hardware .. NAH
 

Lankyman

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<3 Apple! But i really hope Google, Microsoft, etc.. That they get their stuff together. Who knows! This thing they might release might blow us all away and we switch next upgrade to a ms hardware .. NAH

Lots of us are already enjoying both? :) Remember the old but true saying "never put all your eggs in one basket".
 
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maflynn

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Lots of us are already enjoying both? :) Remember the old but true saying "never put all your eggs in one basket".
I like to put eggs in my belly :D

But yes, I use different platforms, though I'm mostly on the Apple ecosystem
 
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Number-Six

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It is especially good at spying on you, sending all your data, info and individual key presses and mouse clicks back to MS servers, and most likely on to NSA and GCHQ and other places they won't even bother to inform us about the existence of.

I've even heard they send it all the way back to the little green men on Alpha Centauri
 

briloronmacrumo

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I work with Win 10 everyday in my office, and I can definitely assure you that Win 10, albeit good, has a lot more problems than OSX
What kind of problems?
His post provides some information. Maybe it partially answers your question( though possibly short on details ):
It seems that software developers are always one step behind updating their software so it is compatible with it -- updates also erase a lot of the settings from previous versions which cause all sorts of communication problems with our server.
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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If I were to ever go back to Windows why in the world would I buy an MS AIO? Why would any of us as tech enthusiast?

It will have most if not all the compromises of an AIO.

Why would any of us switch to Windows? If I were to guess it would be for a more powerful, less expensive, upgradable machine.

A MS AIO in a Windows machine line up will not be any of those things....

Sure it might be more powerful, less expensive and more upgradable then an iMac but if thats why you switch you are doing it wrong. Just build your own PC and it will be much much more powerful and cheaper with all the future upgradability you can dream of. If you don't feel comfortable building your own grab any 12 year old relative you have and have them do it. Or just buy a custom built machine.

Maybe if you you MUST HAVE an AIO then it will be a solution for you but aside from that...I don't see this affecting many of us too much.
 

maflynn

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It will have most if not all the compromises of an AIO.
I have to agree, seeing what MS rolled out with their other Surface products, it mimics apple in the sense that they're sealed and non-upgradable.

Why would any of us switch to Windows? If I were to guess it would be for a more powerful, less expensive, upgradable machine.
The Surface line is not that much less expensive then the Mac line, but it has been historocally more powerful then the Mac line. Some of the models however have been more expensive, i.e., paying nearly 2k for a 13" dGPU equipped laptop vs. Apple's 13" MBP.

Maybe if you you MUST HAVE an AIO then it will be a solution for you but aside from that...I don't see this affecting many of us too much.
I love the idea of the AIO, and I've long grown out of the idea of building/upgrading my own machines. I did that for years, heck, I used to sell/repair computers back in the day, so I know my way around PCs, but at this point in my life, the AIO fits my needs. The iMac that I got last year has been the best computer I've owned. Even now, nearly a year later, its been great and I have zero regrets.

I think many of us in the iMac forum, love the AIO design for one reason or another, so I can see the allure of the Microsoft product. I think Apple has gotten complacent, and while the 5k iMac is awesome, there's so much more they can do with it. The MBP probably highlights Apple's complacency more, but the fact remains Apple needs to step up their game or risk further sales.

As for MS, the Surface Book I bought has been a great purchase, but I do wonder about a desktop, given the market's contraction.
 
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Strider64

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You realize that Jobs literally stole the whole idea, design and implementation of a graphical computer, using a mouse from Xerox right. Granted Xerox didn't know what they had, but Jobs toured their Palo Alto labs, saw the computer and a little while later Apple rolled out the Lisa and then the Macintosh

I'm not against Apple, and I agree Jobs was a visionary, yet Apple has it share of copying a competitor or in some cases from software developers
Most great visionaries and innovators don't come up with original ideas. Even Old Man Henry Ford didn't come up with the assembly line, but rather seen in at a different manufacturer and used the idea on automobiles. Thomas Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, but improved it to where it wouldn't burnout so quickly. There have only been a few people who could be considered true visionaries. Nikola Tesla (AC) should would had gotten more credit with electricity had he not had a feud with Thomas Edison (DC).
 

maflynn

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Most great visionaries and innovators don't come up with original ideas.
Agreed, but I refuting this comment that basically was saying that MS is unoriginal, and I pointed out that Apple/Jobs does the same thing.
 

Appleaker

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Nothing really. The all-in-one market is not as big with PCs. It may be popular if they keep the price down and it has good upgradeability.
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You realize that Jobs literally stole the whole idea, design and implementation of a graphical computer, using a mouse from Xerox right. Granted Xerox didn't know what they had, but Jobs toured their Palo Alto labs, saw the computer and a little while later Apple rolled out the Lisa and then the Macintosh

I'm not against Apple, and I agree Jobs was a visionary, yet Apple has it share of copying a competitor or in some cases from software developers
Right.... and where did Microsoft get its revolutionary idea?
 

Taz Mangus

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You realize that Jobs literally stole the whole idea, design and implementation of a graphical computer, using a mouse from Xerox right. Granted Xerox didn't know what they had, but Jobs toured their Palo Alto labs, saw the computer and a little while later Apple rolled out the Lisa and then the Macintosh

I'm not against Apple, and I agree Jobs was a visionary, yet Apple has it share of copying a competitor or in some cases from software developers

Jobs did not steal the idea, Xerox licensed it to Apple for about $40,000. It was an agreement between Xerox and Apple. Apple paid for the right to use the idea of the mouse.
 
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maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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Wow, the Surface Studio looks gorgeous.

I have to say that MS raised the bar, this picture doesn't do it justice
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v0lume4

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exactly. It is going to be an interesting month to see what 'innovations' Apple and Microsoft come out with.

I thought I would never say it, but if they [MSFT] come out with something compelling, I may jump ship. Having followed the 'waiting for skylake' thread, it has become apparent to me over the last day or so that i dont actually care about Skylake or Kabylake that much [nice to have, not essential], but would like to see something from Apple like the Hololens.

October will be the month I see where my computing future lies. I am hoping Apple can innovate itself out of the slump in basic upgrades / reduced size & weight but based on the information we have so far it isn't looking like it [none of the rumours are innovative, and the OLED strip useful at best].
Same boat as you. Looking forward to the new MBP's, but to be honest I'm thinking about switching to the Surface Book whenever Microsoft releases gen 2 (probably next Spring).
[doublepost=1477496583][/doublepost]I'm all for Microsoft's new computers. They have been doing some REALLY cool stuff lately. Bring it on, MS! :D
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Wow, the Surface Studio looks gorgeous.

I have to say that MS raised the bar, this picture doesn't do it justice
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THE EVENT IS ON RIGHT NOW?!

Holy smokes that's a beautiful all-in-one.
 

Macmamamac

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Everything I ever wanted in an iMac they have achieved. The ability to gracefully tilt a touch/pencil screen to a near vertical angle is a game changer and something I have wanted to see for years now in the iMac.

If Apple do not respond then I am switching. Although, Apple now have no choice but to respond.

Tomorrow is going to be very interesting. I have the feeling they might be holding something back.

"One more thing..."
 
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kblbn86

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Ok I understand it is aimed at Designers & Creators so that may justify the 3:2 ratio.

But still they should have gone with newer GPUs. Date of announcement of 980M is 07.10.2014!!!

I agree that it is a beautiful looking product btw.
 
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convergent

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OK, I think that Microsoft just has put Apple in the "non-innovative" category with the Surface Studio. The dial and pen thing is just brilliant. I can't wait to see how this works hands on. If you haven't seen the video of it working, you need to... its not just a pretty screen here folks.
 
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maflynn

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OK, I think that Microsoft just has put Apple in the "non-innovative" category with the Surface Studio. The puck and pen thing is just brilliant. I can't wait to see how this works hands on. If you haven't seen the video of it working, you need to... its not just a pretty screen here folks.
Agreed, but with everything they showed, what will the price tag be for this?

I need to step out and I'll miss rest of the event, but I wonder if it will be too expensive.
[doublepost=1477497542][/doublepost]Boom - 3,000 dollars. That's way out of my budget but I will say its still a great looking machine
 

convergent

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Agreed, but with everything they showed, what will the price tag be for this?

I need to step out and I'll miss rest of the event, but I wonder if it will be too expensive.
[doublepost=1477497542][/doublepost]Boom - 3,000 dollars. That's way out of my budget but I will say its still a great looking machine

$2999... that's what my daughter just paid a month ago for a year out of date MacBookPro.
 
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