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I7guy

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It sure doesn't ADD UP to more memory usage if you get what I mean. Stating that iOS 9 suddenly can't keep up with 1 GB, while 8 did has no solid grounds. Especially considering they were full of it how optimized it'll be.
Except some are stating iOS 9 end to end is overall better than iOS 8 end to end. So on that count they did what what they said.
 

sunking101

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Jailbreak and remove all animations. That would make your iPhone extremely fast on any iOS. As a bonus you can also tweak your phone to make it your own.

Also most people compare I OS 8.4.2 which is a finished iOS to 9.0 or 9.1 an unfinished iOS. That is a poor comparison. Once Apple releases 9.4.2 it would be as smooth as 8.4.2. Gone are the days when Apple releases an iOS that is finished on the first try.

Although your explanation is correct, it doesn't excuse it. Basically if you buy the latest iPhone every 12 months you're limping along with bugs and crap for a good 6-10 months. Then just when the o/s starts to become great they shelve it, you shelve your phone and start the whole process over again.

It massively detracts from that new phone feeling when it's buggy and sometimes showstoppingly so. It seems almost better to buy last year's phone the week before the new one comes out. Then keep it on the soon to be defunct o/s. That way you get a year of your phone performing as expected. Don't Apple see this?? Why should buying last year's phone just to be able to use last year's version of iOS make more sense?
 

Radon87000

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Although your explanation is correct, it doesn't excuse it. Basically if you buy the latest iPhone every 12 months you're limping along with bugs and crap for a good 6-10 months. Then just when the o/s starts to become great they shelve it, you shelve your phone and start the whole process over again.

It massively detracts from that new phone feeling when it's buggy and sometimes showstoppingly so. It seems almost better to buy last year's phone the week before the new one comes out. Then keep it on the soon to be defunct o/s. That way you get a year of your phone performing as expected. Don't Apple see this?? Why should buying last year's phone just to be able to use last year's version of iOS make more sense?
Apple don't give 2 ***** about last gen devices.iOS 9'isnt optimised for iPhone 6 as much as 8 was
 

sunking101

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Apple don't give 2 ***** about last gen devices.iOS 9'isnt optimised for iPhone 6 as much as 8 was

Yeah, agreed, but my observation was that buying - for example - a 6S the week before the iPhone 7 launches, and then keeping it on the last version of iOS9 for the whole year of ownership would be a better bet if you want 12 months of misery free ownership. Then repeat the process and buy the iPhone 7 running the last version of iOS10...
 
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Tubamajuba

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Although your explanation is correct, it doesn't excuse it. Basically if you buy the latest iPhone every 12 months you're limping along with bugs and crap for a good 6-10 months. Then just when the o/s starts to become great they shelve it, you shelve your phone and start the whole process over again.

It massively detracts from that new phone feeling when it's buggy and sometimes showstoppingly so. It seems almost better to buy last year's phone the week before the new one comes out. Then keep it on the soon to be defunct o/s. That way you get a year of your phone performing as expected. Don't Apple see this?? Why should buying last year's phone just to be able to use last year's version of iOS make more sense?
Because it doesn't make sense for most people. The latest version of iOS works fine for the majority of people. The issues that are talked about here tend to be way overblown in proportion to how bad they actually are. The stuttering that makes some people's blood boil around here are minor issues to the general population, if they're even noticed at all. We often forget that we are in the minority here.

Don't get me wrong, I wish that 9.2 is what we had two months ago. I do indeed see the visual inconsistencies, stuttering, and other issues that are commented on. But the vast majority of iOS works perfectly fine for me, and that's what I choose to focus on. Sure, the fact that the 3D Touch blur effects are still relatively slow mildly irritates me. But 3D Touch works, and that's what is important. I don't understand why playing music over Bluetooth still randomly glitches out on me. But it works most of the time, so I can put up with it.

Yes, it would be nice if all the issues I currently experience were fixed. But they're not. I choose to shrug my shoulders and move on, because it's just a phone.
 

chekz0414

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So I discovered today that the iPad Pro also 'lags' in Spotlight and Multitasking. Same as the 6s Plus in 9.2 my 6s Plus beat the iPad Pro's animations. So here's to hoping Apple pins it correctly, we now are all aware that there is no planned obsolescence. This is simply software not being optimized enough before release.
 
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Tubamajuba

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That's a pretty expensive "just a phone". If I wanted one of those I could have gotten a tracfone. lol
My phone makes calls, sends texts, browses the internet, and runs just about every app I can throw at it. It does all of those things extremely well. So what if every once in a while a couple bugs slip in and a couple animations are choppy? Of course I would prefer perfection, but this is where the whole "just a phone" thing comes into play. If my phone works extremely well 95% of the time, is it really worth getting worked up over? No, it's not.

For fun, I just purchased a $40 2nd gen Moto E from Best Buy. I bet that it will do almost everything my $700+ iPhone 6s Plus does (and a few things that the iPhone won't, of course). But I have zero doubt in my mind that the 6s Plus will do those things far better and quicker, while having a better screen, camera, and build quality. That's what we pay the big bucks for. Not a promise of perfection, and not necessarily to do "more" things, though that sometimes is a part of the package.

But I digress- 9.2 is already shaping up to be what 9.0 should have been, so the vast majority of us can look forward to that.
 
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thed0g

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My phone makes calls, sends texts, browses the internet, and runs just about every app I can throw at it. It does all of those things extremely well. So what if every once in a while a couple bugs slip in and a couple animations are choppy? Of course I would prefer perfection, but this is where the whole "just a phone" thing comes into play. If my phone works extremely well 95% of the time, is it really worth getting worked up over? No, it's not.

For fun, I just purchased a $40 2nd gen Moto E from Best Buy. I bet that it will do almost everything my $700+ iPhone 6s Plus does (and a few things that the iPhone won't, of course). But I have zero doubt in my mind that the 6s Plus will do those things far better and quicker, while having a better screen, camera, and build quality. That's what we pay the big bucks for. Not a promise of perfection, and not necessarily to do "more" things, though that sometimes is a part of the package.

But I digress- 9.2 is already shaping up to be what 9.0 should have been, so the vast majority of us can look forward to that.
The issue isn't what the phone does or not. It's that something was taken from users while promising something else. Now you can rationalize it to yourself that it's going to be fixed eventually and it's not a big of a deal, but where is the limit here? If we let companies who circlejerk with multibillion revenues while shiping beta software so easily, what's next ?
 

Cakefish

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The iPad Pro suffers from the exact same stutters, frame drops and input lags as other iOS hardware. This is an A9X for crying out loud.

This proves that the planned obsolescence theory is false and instead Apple's software engineers are either merely incompetent or being worked too hard and can't keep up with all the new features the marketing executives want to add.
 
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Stickharuhi

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The iPad Pro suffers from the exact same stutters, frame drops and input lags as other iOS hardware. This is an A9X for crying out loud.

This proves that the planned obsolescence theory is false and instead Apple's software engineers are either merely incompetent or being worked too hard and can't keep up with all the new features the marketing executives want to add.
Yes we need Metal 2.0
 

I7guy

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The issue isn't what the phone does or not. It's that something was taken from users while promising something else. Now you can rationalize it to yourself that it's going to be fixed eventually and it's not a big of a deal, but where is the limit here? If we let companies who circlejerk with multibillion revenues while shiping beta software so easily, what's next ?
Let? Frankly I don't care about the minor display issues being reported that I don't see and have been told I'm not noticing them. I'm looking at the total package and to me it beats the competition.
 

Stickharuhi

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Or just revert to OpenGL (you know, the **** that works) until full Metal performance is ready. Now imagine the performance these new hardware devices would have, if they stayed on OpenGL where older hardware already flied.
Metal is on OSX. I think still in iOS for 64bit devices. Comeback from OpenGL. I think not.
 

sanke1

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Because it doesn't make sense for most people. The latest version of iOS works fine for the majority of people. The issues that are talked about here tend to be way overblown in proportion to how bad they actually are. The stuttering that makes some people's blood boil around here are minor issues to the general population, if they're even noticed at all. We often forget that we are in the minority here.

Don't get me wrong, I wish that 9.2 is what we had two months ago. I do indeed see the visual inconsistencies, stuttering, and other issues that are commented on. But the vast majority of iOS works perfectly fine for me, and that's what I choose to focus on. Sure, the fact that the 3D Touch blur effects are still relatively slow mildly irritates me. But 3D Touch works, and that's what is important. I don't understand why playing music over Bluetooth still randomly glitches out on me. But it works most of the time, so I can put up with it.

Yes, it would be nice if all the issues I currently experience were fixed. But they're not. I choose to shrug my shoulders and move on, because it's just a phone.
Your views sounded balanced till the point you mentioned about 3D touch. That means you are running iOS 9 on 6S. You will never understand our feeling because 6S runs flawlessly on iOS 9. Real pain is to run iOS 9.1 on iPhone 4S, 5S, 6, 6+, Air 1 & 2, Mini 1, 2 & 3.

Surprisingly, it runs near perfect on iPhone 5c and 5. They are non 64 bit.

Right now the only main complaint is of stutter stutter and only stutter. We must make as much noise as possible for Apple to know about it.
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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Your views sounded balanced till the point you mentioned about 3D touch. That means you are running iOS 9 on 6S. You will never understand our feeling because 6S runs flawlessly on iOS 9. Real pain is to run iOS 9.1 on iPhone 4S, 5S, 6, 6+, Air 1 & 2, Mini 1, 2 & 3.

Surprisingly, it runs near perfect on iPhone 5c and 5. They are non 64 bit.

Right now the only main complaint is of stutter stutter and only stutter. We must make as much noise as possible for Apple to know about it.
Doesn't seem that it's flawless given that there have been various people taking about the same type of animation stutters with iPhone 6s phones (as well as the latest versions of iPads, including even the newest Pro).
 
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teknikal90

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i dont know what you guys are on about.
I'm getting better battery life on my year old 6 on iOS 9, the new intelligence feature is especially awesome
and all the little new features on notes, mail and icloud drive are all awesome (Leave NOW if you dont want to be late!)

Wouldnt want to downgrade to iOS 8.
 
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dk001

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The issue isn't what the phone does or not. It's that something was taken from users while promising something else. Now you can rationalize it to yourself that it's going to be fixed eventually and it's not a big of a deal, but where is the limit here? If we let companies who circlejerk with multibillion revenues while shiping beta software so easily, what's next ?

Kind of like having all those spiffy new 2015 'vette's suddenly find they can't go from 0-60 any faster than in under 8 seconds. Still not the shabbiest but .....

GM says it is a software fix and when we have it figured out you can bring your"car" in for an update.
I know I would be a tad bit peeved.


Yes we need Metal 2.0

or a quick dose of "metal-less" ... :D
 
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Tubamajuba

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The issue isn't what the phone does or not. It's that something was taken from users while promising something else. Now you can rationalize it to yourself that it's going to be fixed eventually and it's not a big of a deal, but where is the limit here? If we let companies who circlejerk with multibillion revenues while shiping beta software so easily, what's next ?
I'm just going to have to disagree with you, as I don't think anything was "taken away" from me with iOS 9. It has always worked fine for me, it simply works very well now under 9.2.

And why does revenue matter? Apple's revenue has zero direct impact on whether or not I am happy with my phone. The fact that they are a multi-billion dollar company means nothing if I ever decided to switch to Android because iOS was no longer a viable option for me.

Your views sounded balanced till the point you mentioned about 3D touch. That means you are running iOS 9 on 6S. You will never understand our feeling because 6S runs flawlessly on iOS 9. Real pain is to run iOS 9.1 on iPhone 4S, 5S, 6, 6+, Air 1 & 2, Mini 1, 2 & 3.

Surprisingly, it runs near perfect on iPhone 5c and 5. They are non 64 bit.

Right now the only main complaint is of stutter stutter and only stutter. We must make as much noise as possible for Apple to know about it.

I had a 6 before my 6s Plus. Upon taking the 6s Plus out of the box and using it for a while, the main observation I made was that both devices had equal performance. Same stutters everywhere. I no longer have my 6, but my 6s Plus runs so much smoother on 9.2 beta 3. I hope the final version of 9.2 fixes the woes you have with your device.
 

sanke1

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Doesn't seem just its flawless given that there have been various people taking about the same type of animation stutters with iPhone 6s phones (as well as the latest versions of iPads, including even the newest Pro).
I myself use 5S and another family member uses 6S. My 5S stutters when control center is pulled up beyond 50% of the screen. The FPS drops to 10-20 fps and the drop is noticeable. But on 6S, the drop is between 40-50 fps which is not that noticeable.

I am more stumped with the performance of 5c. It has perfect 60 fps in control center animation. But 5c struggles in WhatsApp recent chats scrolling. It does 10-15 fps there.

People are annoyed at this. No consistency.

Wouldnt want to downgrade to iOS 8.
You don't have that option anyway. :p
 

Radon87000

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I myself use 5S and another family member uses 6S. My 5S stutters when control center is pulled up beyond 50% of the screen. The FPS drops to 10-20 fps and the drop is noticeable. But on 6S, the drop is between 40-50 fps which is not that noticeable.

I am more stumped with the performance of 5c. It has perfect 60 fps in control center animation. But 5c struggles in WhatsApp recent chats scrolling. It does 10-15 fps there.

People are annoyed at this. No consistency.


You don't have that option anyway. :p
That goddamn Metal ruins everything.Metal reminds me of NVIDIA Gameworks in gaming,That technology ruins every game it touches and yet NVIDIA advertises it as best integration with NVIDIA GPAus
 
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