MP 1,1-5,1 testing TB3 AIC with MP 5,1

[joevt]

which shows "FP USB" on a MacPro1,1 motherboard using something that looks like a SATA connector.

iFixit has a "Apple Technician Guide" for the "Mac Pro (Early 2009)" (MacPro4,1) which shows a totally different connector for the front panel. It includes USB, FireWire, and Audio. For this you might want to buy a spare "Front-Panel-Board-to-Backplane-Board Cable part number 922-8888", then use a continuity checker between the pins of the USB ports and the cable, to know what wires need to be cut.

Would something like this work?
https://www.amazon.com/Vanpower-Female-Motherboard-Adapter-Bracket/dp/B0752JTTWZ
So my idea is to get that one and then get two custom length USB A to USB A and connect them to the back usb ports of the Mac Pro. I don't use those ports as much as I have a ten-port usb 3.0 hub which I would like to use through the titan ridge card. But at the moment it doesn't recognize usb 2.0 devices. (i.e iPhone, iPad, some flash drives, etc)

Yes, I've used that idea myself and it worked.

 

[cdf]

I meant for the splice to source a hub or (two hubs in the case of something like the NZXT), then the hub can output two ports to the GC-TITAN RIDGE, and one port to the front panel (or two ports to the front panel in the case of the NZXT).

Ah, got it. A pinout of the 2009 font panel is available here.

 

[joevt]

Ah, got it. A pinout of the 2009 font panel is available here.

That thread also shows that the 5V for each USB port on the front panel comes from a different connector in the older Mac Pros (I assume 1,1 to 3,1) which means there's no 5V in the SATA cable used for the FP USB. That thread points to anther thread that shows how to wire the SATA cable to a 9 pin connector.

 

[AliGT83]

Yes, I've used that idea myself and it worked.

Awesome. Thanks

 

[Inzajeano]

Finally got my thunderbolt device connected to the Titan Ridge (in Windows) via a thunderbolt to thunderbolt cable and nothing seems to work.
Do I need to install thunderbolt drivers and if so, from where?
Am I using the correct cable? If not, what cable do I need?
Any advice on this would be appreciated.

 

[joevt]

Finally got my thunderbolt device connected to the Titan Ridge (in Windows) via a thunderbolt to thunderbolt cable and nothing seems to work.
Do I need to install thunderbolt drivers and if so, from where?
Am I using the correct cable? If not, what cable do I need?
Any advice on this would be appreciated.

The cable should have the Thunderbolt logo on both ends and the connectors are USB-C.

Describe your system - Mac model, slots, memory, graphics. What Thunderbolt devices are you connecting? What devices are in the slots? How much memory do you have?

What version of the Thunderbolt software did you install?

There should be a Thunderbolt icon in the notification area of the task bar, or you can start it by running the Thunderbolt Software Desktop app. Click About to see the version of the software and the Thunderbolt Controller info.

Maybe restart into Windows.

Check the Device Manager, View Devices by connection, find the Thunderbolt controller. It should be under one of the root ports, have one upstream switch port, and four downstream switch ports, the first containing the thunderbolt controller or NHI, the third containing a USB XHC. The second or third should contain the PCIe devices of your connected Thunderbolt device.

Note: Windows has a Snipping Tool app to take screen shots.

 

[Inzajeano]

The cable should have the Thunderbolt logo on both ends and the connectors are USB-C.

I only have thunderbolt to thunderbolt cable.

Describe your system - Mac model, slots, memory, graphics. What Thunderbolt devices are you connecting? What devices are in the slots? How much memory do you have?

I have 128GB RAM. Its the Dual Xeon 3.46 with Nvidia GTX 1080.

What version of the Thunderbolt software did you install?

Thunderbolt™ Bus Driver for Intel® NUC Kit NUC8i7BE, NUC8i5BE, NUC8i3BE

There should be a Thunderbolt icon in the notification area of the task bar, or you can start it by running the Thunderbolt Software Desktop app. Click About to see the version of the software and the Thunderbolt Controller info.

Software Package version 17.4.76.300
Application Version 17.4.76.8

Maybe restart into Windows.

Tried that several times.

Check the Device Manager, View Devices by connection, find the Thunderbolt controller. It should be under one of the root ports, have one upstream switch port, and four downstream switch ports, the first containing the thunderbolt controller or NHI, the third containing a USB XHC. The second or third should contain the PCIe devices of your connected Thunderbolt device.

Note: Windows has a Snipping Tool app to take screen shots.

Huge thanks in adavance

 

[joevt]

Huge thanks in adavance

You didn't say what Mac model. You didn't say what was in each of the slots. You didn't say what Thunderbolt devices are connected. You didn't show the Thunderbolt controller in the Device Manage (look under Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System). From what you've shown so far, I can only conclude that you don't have a GC-TITAN RIDGE or that it's not plugged in...

 

[Inzajeano]

You didn't say what Mac model. You didn't say what was in each of the slots. You didn't say what Thunderbolt devices are connected. You didn't show the Thunderbolt controller in the Device Manage (look under Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System). From what you've shown so far, I can only conclude that you don't have a GC-TITAN RIDGE or that it's not plugged in...

MAC MODEL - 5.1 (See pics for rest of specs)

You didn't say what was in each of the slots. See pic Bottom slot- GPU / Above GPU is the Titan Ridge / Above Titan Ridge is Sonnet USB 3.0 card / above that is NVME drive

Thunderbolt controller in the Device Manage (look under Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System). Cannot seem to find this?

 

[joevt]

MAC MODEL - 5.1 (See pics for rest of specs)

See pic Bottom slot- GPU / Above GPU is the Titan Ridge / Above Titan Ridge is Sonnet USB 3.0 card / above that is NVME drive

Cannot seem to find this?

Here:


How did you install Windows? What drive is it installed to? Is this a virtual machine?
Do this command in macOS:

diskutil list

 

[Inzajeano]

Here:
View attachment 820288

Will check this tonight (I’m UK based).

How did you install Windows? What drive is it installed to? Is this a virtual machine?

No, it’s not a virtual machine. I partitioned my macOS HD - that’s where Windows boots from. I need to hold down ALT to bring up EFI boot disk before start up to give options for what OS I want to boot into.
Do this command in macOS:

diskutil list

I’ll do this tonight

I really appreciate your time and help

 

[alchemistics]

Report back (use-case LG5K):

So I finally received my TITAN RIDGE card.
Here are my results:

- Windows 10 (Cold) Boot (Thunderbolt Drivers installed)
- Handshake with LG5K (replug cable, power-cycle, eventually display signal comes on, retry, it will work, at some point ^^)
- A: (Warm!) Reboot to Windows, allows for Speakers, Brightness (over LG-Ultrafine Brightness Tool Github) and USB-C Support
- B: (Warm!) Reboot into macOS, this is the ****** part:

I finally got it to boot macOS by disconnecting the HD Bays during the reboot pause. As W10 Bootcamp does not recognise APFS Drives nor did my workaround with an additional HFS EFI Boot Partition work. Therefore "Restart in OS X" is not an option. To get windows booting I have to do a PRAM Reset, cause it's my first drive. Reboot from macOS by selecting the volume gives me a "Device not found" Error cause I (probably) installed over EFI. I see that eventually I'll have to reinstall the whole W10 again and optimize this process. Last but not least I'd like to share and warn you about the overwhelming feeling of disease when trying blind-selecting partitions on non-efi GPU's. Always keep a Bootscreen-GPU and another Screen near you to avoid further confusion.

C: (Cold) Boot into macOS. Do the replug and power-cylcle. Use Brightness Control to adjust brightness via Function Keys, it does work! This is the minimum for me to have an acceptable workflow.

I have to note that I upgraded to a VEGA56. Routing two DP to mDP (came in the Box) to the titan ridge. For fun I tried the 5870 (via two mDP to mDP) cables. No luck. Resolution-wise this should be legit (2x 2560x1440), but no luck, doesn't matter.

Sleep doens't work and gives black screen. Obviously this is cause pci-cards loose power during sleep (any workaround for this / disabling this power save mode?). For the same reason the sonnet (and other?) USB cards eject disks during sleep.

With option B I can confirm using the LG5K with a MacPro 5,1 and a VEGA56 productively for video-editing (Mojave, FCPX).
This really keeps my 12-core MP in the race. This is now my main machine. I mostly do 4K editing (besides Coding) so making use of the LG5K was a MUST. Image signal is 100% stable (except sleep). Speaker works, USB-C works, brightness works!

I surely will keep a boot/warm-boot automated process on my checklist in case I find the time for it.
Any Idea on a reliable "Restart in OS X" drive detection method is highly appreciated. No APFS nor even HFS detection.

So far, hope this information provides value.
Thanks for all the success stories provided by you guys!

 

[Inzajeano]

Here:
View attachment 820288



How did you install Windows? What drive is it installed to? Is this a virtual machine?
Do this command in macOS:

diskutil list

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme 1.0 TB disk0
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk0s1
2: Apple_APFS Container disk7 872.4 GB disk0s2
3: Microsoft Basic Data BOOTCAMP 127.4 GB disk0s3
4: Microsoft Reserved 16.8 MB disk0s4

/dev/disk1 (internal, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *1.0 TB disk1
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk1s1
2: Apple_HFS KASHMIR 999.9 GB disk1s2

/dev/disk2 (internal, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *2.0 TB disk2
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk2s1
2: Apple_HFS 2 T B 2.0 TB disk2s2

/dev/disk3 (internal, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *1.0 TB disk3
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk3s1
2: Apple_RAID 999.9 GB disk3s2
3: Apple_Boot Boot OS X 134.2 MB disk3s3

/dev/disk4 (internal, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme *1.0 TB disk4
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk4s1
2: Apple_RAID 999.9 GB disk4s2
3: Apple_Boot Boot OS X 134.2 MB disk4s3

/dev/disk5 (internal, virtual):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: Apple_HFS S K R T C H +2.0 TB disk5

/dev/disk6 (external, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: FDisk_partition_scheme *500.1 GB disk6
1: Apple_HFS 500GB 500.1 GB disk6s1

/dev/disk7 (synthesized):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: APFS Container Scheme - +872.4 GB disk7
Physical Store disk0s2
1: APFS Volume Macintosh B L A D E 251.2 GB disk7s1
2: APFS Volume Preboot 22.1 MB disk7s2
3: APFS Volume Recovery 512.0 MB disk7s3
4: APFS Volume VM 20.5 KB disk7s4

/dev/disk8 (external, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: FDisk_partition_scheme *4.0 TB disk8
1: Apple_HFS 4 T B 4.0 TB disk8s1

/dev/disk9 (external, physical):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: CD_partition_scheme *36.1 MB disk9

/dev/disk10 (disk image):
#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER
0: GUID_partition_scheme +1.0 GB disk10
1: Apple_HFS PreSonus Studio One 4 1.0 GB disk10s1

 

[DPUser]

Bump, wanting only to keep this concept at the forefront of our collective minds...

 

[KevinClark]

Is there any chance to make this card works in a macpro 2010 5.1 under Mojave without windows ?

 

[Inzajeano]

Is there any chance to make this card works in a macpro 2010 5.1 under Mojave without windows ?

Not yet!

 

[KevinClark]

what do you mean ?

 

[kings79]

Is there any chance to make this card works in a macpro 2010 5.1 under Mojave without windows ?

That's the one million dollar question.

Someone will. One day.....

 

[KevinClark]

That's the one million dollar question.

Someone will. One day.....

[doublepost=1551388225][/doublepost]How which drivers

 

[aclarubicin]

Report back (use-case LG5K):



I finally got it to boot macOS by disconnecting the HD Bays during the reboot pause. As W10 Bootcamp does not recognise APFS Drives nor did my workaround with an additional HFS EFI Boot Partition work. Therefore "Restart in OS X" is not an option. To get windows booting I have to do a PRAM Reset, cause it's my first drive. Reboot from macOS by selecting the volume gives me a "Device not found" Error cause I (probably) installed over EFI. I see that eventually I'll have to reinstall the whole W10 again and optimize this process. Last but not least I'd like to share and warn you about the overwhelming feeling of disease when trying blind-selecting partitions on non-efi GPU's. Always keep a Bootscreen-GPU and another Screen near you to avoid further confusion.

Using the Bootcamp drivers for the iMac Pro 1,1 (available through Brigadier on Github) APFS drives are recognised on Windows, and can be selected for reboot.

 

[alchemistics]

Using the Bootcamp drivers for the iMac Pro 1,1 (available through Brigadier on Github) APFS drives are recognised on Windows, and can be selected for reboot.

Hey thanks!

This actually does work! And the reboot works as expected.
I used Brigadier with the flag -m "iMacPro1,1" and installed the (whole) drivers over cmd win w10.

Though had to reinstall the radeon drivers to get the LG5K working again.
It doesn't change the need to power-cycle the monitor. But makes the reboot process more reliable.

I will report if i get any noticeable boot-procedure optimisation / automation working.

 

[rawweb]

Using the Bootcamp drivers for the iMac Pro 1,1 (available through Brigadier on Github) APFS drives are recognised on Windows, and can be selected for reboot.

Is this method detailed anywhere?

 

[aclarubicin]

Is this method detailed anywhere?

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ut-a-boot-screen.2114788/page-9#post-26689280

 

[TrumanLA]

Thanks in advance to anyone willing to consolidate steps / provide a glossary.
Given that these "R&D" threads tend to get GINORMOUS, hopefully this'll provide utility (and brevity) for others.

STEPS, REQUIREMENTS, COMPATIBILITY (present beliefs)
- WARM BOOT..? (meaning?) Reboot from macOS? or boot to Win & then macOS after?
- Does High Sierra work? 10.13.6?
- Is the latest version required?
- Or is Mojave required?
- Any product drivers which invoked TBx on a MP5,1 with a GC-Apline Ridge...
- Is PCIutils actually

- An OSX compatible application?
- Required on a 5,1 ...4,1 ...3,1 -- respectively?​

More Generalized
Matrices of the combinations between:
Products+Accessory+Driver ...would be helpful down the road where:
Product = MP3,1 - MP5,1
Accessory = GC-Apline - Titan Ridge
Driver = "product's software which 'drove' the product



APPLE JUST NEEDS TO RELEASE nVidia's LATEST DRIVER

 

[Kon_Kipa]

Amazing, TB3 on cMP - Happy days to come