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Inzajeano

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Hi all,

Can anyone help me out with a link that relates to this scenario that allows me to install bootable Windows in my cMP please.

Many thanks
Inzajeano
 

joevt

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I’ve tried the method with modified boot camp but for some reason my Windows 7 update bit is still greyed out.
The guy in the video referred to videos for installing Windows using Boot Camp with a DVD, and Installing Windows without Boot Camp. Links in the description on the YouTube page.

I use iPartition to create the partition I want to install Windows to (not updated for Mojave, so I use a High Sierra boot drive). Select the partition, and click the "Show in Windows" option and mark it as "Active". Those settings affect the MBR to make the GPT disk into a hybrid disk so Windows can boot using BIOS mode. The Windows partition should be on one of the drives in one of the 4 built in drive bays if booting using BIOS mode. Boot the Windows installer. Select the partition you created (identified by it's size and order). Format to NTFS. Install. Then install Boot Camp drivers.
 

Inzajeano

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The guy in the video referred to videos for installing Windows using Boot Camp with a DVD, and Installing Windows without Boot Camp. Links in the description on the YouTube page.

I use iPartition to create the partition I want to install Windows to (not updated for Mojave, so I use a High Sierra boot drive). Select the partition, and click the "Show in Windows" option and mark it as "Active". Those settings affect the MBR to make the GPT disk into a hybrid disk so Windows can boot using BIOS mode. The Windows partition should be on one of the drives in one of the 4 built in drive bays if booting using BIOS mode. Boot the Windows installer. Select the partition you created (identified by it's size and order). Format to NTFS. Install. Then install Boot Camp drivers.
The method you mention sounds doable for me. Do I do all that you’ve mentioned in ipartition?
 

misanthrophy

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Okay I bit the bullet and invested the money into the Titan-Ridge as it would be the best option for the future to connect different types of devices!

I will report back when I received it what is working and what not.

Thanks in the meantime for your support and advice!

Okay, I just plugged in the card, no additional power cables or internal usb cables connected (power cables are used for my Titan X) and currently no internal usb connection for the 9 pin header available.
No windows installed on my machine. I straight boot into macOS and the system profiler does not even recognize the card.

Is this now because I did not warm-booted from windows into macOS, or because no internal cable was connected?

I am no downloading win10 on another old harddrive, let's see what then happens...
 

Inzajeano

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Okay, I just plugged in the card, no additional power cables or internal usb cables connected (power cables are used for my Titan X) and currently no internal usb connection for the 9 pin header available.
No windows installed on my machine. I straight boot into macOS and the system profiler does not even recognize the card.

Is this now because I did not warm-booted from windows into macOS, or because no internal cable was connected?

I am no downloading win10 on another old harddrive, let's see what then happens...
From everything I’ve read and watched, One needs to boot into Windows 10 then warm boot into MacOs.
 

DPUser

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Following up on the "Install Windows" question above; is it necessary to have a Mac EFI GPU installed to boot from Windows into MacOS, as indicated in the video linked above? For me, that is a non-starter, as I run an RX460 (for 4k video display) and use all of the remaining PCIe slots in my Mac Pro for essential peripherals (which would include Titan Ridge). Thanks !
 

skizzo

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Following up on the "Install Windows" question above; is it necessary to have a Mac EFI GPU installed to boot from Windows into MacOS, as indicated in the video linked above? For me, that is a non-starter, as I run an RX460 (for 4k video display) and use all of the remaining PCIe slots in my Mac Pro for essential peripherals (which would include Titan Ridge). Thanks !

you can use boot manager or other 3rd party apps

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...native-in-the-status-bar-of-your-mac.2145374/
 
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joevt

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The method you mention sounds doable for me. Do I do all that you’ve mentioned in ipartition?
iPartition can shrink a partition, create a new partition, and mark it as "Visible to Windows" and "Active". You setup the changes you want, then click Go.

Okay, I just plugged in the card, no additional power cables or internal usb cables connected (power cables are used for my Titan X) and currently no internal usb connection for the 9 pin header available.
No windows installed on my machine. I straight boot into macOS and the system profiler does not even recognize the card.

Is this now because I did not warm-booted from windows into macOS, or because no internal cable was connected?
When nothing is plugged in, the card hides itself. You can plug in a USB device before boot up to make the USB controller appear in macOS. It's probably better to connect the header cable and use a small jumper wire as previously pictured so that the card is always visible (in IORegistryExplorer.app or as a USB 3.1 Bus in System Information.app).

I am no downloading win10 on another old harddrive, let's see what then happens...
If you're downloading an ISO, you can burn it to a blank DVD. Or maybe USB flash drive (you'll need a program to do that). Or maybe you can create a Windows Installer partition and boot that (not sure if that's doable). In that case you should put the installer partition on a different disk than the partition you want to install Windows too.

From everything I’ve read and watched, One needs to boot into Windows 10 then warm boot into MacOs.
For Thunderbolt devices, connect them before boot, then boot into Windows, then warm boot into macOS.

Following up on the "Install Windows" question above; is it necessary to have a Mac EFI GPU installed to boot from Windows into MacOS, as indicated in the video linked above? For me, that is a non-starter, as I run an RX460 (for 4k video display) and use all of the remaining PCIe slots in my Mac Pro for essential peripherals (which would include Titan Ridge). Thanks !
After you install Boot Camp drivers in Windows, the Boot Camp exe in Windows should be able to set the next boot to macOS, just like the Startup Disk preferences panel in System Preferences.app in macOS.

So before installing Windows, you should have the Boot Camp drivers available on a FAT formatted USB drive or partition so that you can install them in Windows.
 

misanthrophy

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When nothing is plugged in, the card hides itself. You can plug in a USB device before boot up to make the USB controller appear in macOS. It's probably better to connect the header cable and use a small jumper wire as previously pictured so that the card is always visible (in IORegistryExplorer.app or as a USB 3.1 Bus in System Information.app).

I tried that out and my usb stick worked. Also hot plug was working fine. Just my iPad Pro did not appeared, Systemprofiler just mentions it as unknown. I huess because of the lack on internal cable connections and/or power cables. But thats okay, one step after another. Next step is the wiring and then win10.
 

Inzajeano

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Should the Titan Ridge be seen automatically in Windows 10?
I’m not getting any prompts.
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iPartition can shrink a partition, create a new partition, and mark it as "Visible to Windows" and "Active". You setup the changes you want, then click Go.


When nothing is plugged in, the card hides itself. You can plug in a USB device before boot up to make the USB controller appear in macOS. It's probably better to connect the header cable and use a small jumper wire as previously pictured so that the card is always visible (in IORegistryExplorer.app or as a USB 3.1 Bus in System Information.app).


If you're downloading an ISO, you can burn it to a blank DVD. Or maybe USB flash drive (you'll need a program to do that). Or maybe you can create a Windows Installer partition and boot that (not sure if that's doable). In that case you should put the installer partition on a different disk than the partition you want to install Windows too.


For Thunderbolt devices, connect them before boot, then boot into Windows, then warm boot into macOS.


After you install Boot Camp drivers in Windows, the Boot Camp exe in Windows should be able to set the next boot to macOS, just like the Startup Disk preferences panel in System Preferences.app in macOS.

So before installing Windows, you should have the Boot Camp drivers available on a FAT formatted USB drive or partition so that you can install them in Windows.
I’ve got windows up and running.
Now I need the card to be seen in Windows!
Any tips?
 

joevt

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I tried that out and my usb stick worked. Also hot plug was working fine. Just my iPad Pro did not appeared, Systemprofiler just mentions it as unknown. I huess because of the lack on internal cable connections and/or power cables. But thats okay, one step after another. Next step is the wiring and then win10.
The iPad Pro should support USB 3.0 but your lightning cable might be USB 2.0 only. There's a Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter. If USB 2.0 is required then you need to connect the 9-pin USB 2.0 header of the GC-TITAN RIDGE to some USB 2.0 ports.

Should the Titan Ridge be seen automatically in Windows 10?
I’m not getting any prompts.

I’ve got windows up and running.
Now I need the card to be seen in Windows!
Any tips?
Did you install the latest Intel Thunderbolt software? Did you connect a Thunderbolt device?
 

Inzajeano

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The iPad Pro should support USB 3.0 but your lightning cable might be USB 2.0 only. There's a Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter. If USB 2.0 is required then you need to connect the 9-pin USB 2.0 header of the GC-TITAN RIDGE to some USB 2.0 ports.


Did you install the latest Intel Thunderbolt software? Did you connect a Thunderbolt device?
Software installed but nothing connected as yet. Waiting to get the bits I need to plug in!
 

joevt

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Lightningcable??? I have the 3rd gen iPad Pro 12,9“ 2018! So I am using the USB-C cable!
Do you have a different USB 3.0 port to connect it to? You could also connect it to the second Thunderbolt 3 port of a Thunderbolt 3 dock or device. You said the iPad Pro was listed as Unknown, but you didn't say what you expected it to be listed as. When you connect it to a fully function USB 3.0 port, IORegistryExplorer.app will tell you what is connected as USB 2.0 and what is connected as USB 3.x.
 

aclarubicin

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1) No, thunderbolt docks have their own power supply.
2) The Titan X needs to be connected to the GC-TITAN RIDGE for displays to work from the Thunderbolt ports.
3) For the iPad Pro to use the display, the display needs to be connected to the iPad Pro directly (USB-C or DisplayPort, not Thunderbolt) or through a USB-C dock. You will need to switch wires to move the display from the Mac Pro to the iPad Pro.

You might be able to use a Thunderbolt display with the iPad Pro by connecting a USB-C to mini DisplayPort cable from the iPad Pro to one of the mini DisplayPort inputs of the GC-TITAN RIDGE. You still need to switch wires to move the display from the Mac Pro to the iPad Pro. This should allow 4K on DisplayPort 1.2 displays (like the LG Ultrafine 4K display or LG UltraFine 5K (Thunderbolt)) and 5K on DisplayPort 1.4 displays (The LG 34WK95U-W is a 5K2K UltraWide display that supports DisplayPort 1.4, Thunderbolt, and USB-C). The iPad Pro won't be able to see any of the USB or PCIe devices of the display - they will remain connected to the Mac Pro).

4) I believe Duet uses a USB connection between the iPad Pro and Mac Pro to work. Windows is not required for USB functionality to work on the GC-TITAN RIDGE. Windows is required if the USB port is on a Thunderbolt device.
How would one connect the GPU to the Titan Ridge? Dual male 6pin? And would that also enable the DP ports on the Titan Ridge to be functional?
 

joevt

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How would one connect the GPU to the Titan Ridge? Dual male 6pin? And would that also enable the DP ports on the Titan Ridge to be functional?
The Titan Ridge has two Mini DisplayPort inputs. The GPU connects to those. The Titan Ridge can output those signals to the DisplayPort output, and/or the Thunderbolt/USB-C ports.

The 6 pin connectors are for adding 100W power delivery from one of the Thunderbolt/USB-C ports. Using the 6 pin connectors is not necessary.
 

aclarubicin

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The Titan Ridge has two Mini DisplayPort inputs. The GPU connects to those. The Titan Ridge can output those signals to the DisplayPort output, and/or the Thunderbolt/USB-C ports.

The 6 pin connectors are for adding 100W power delivery from one of the Thunderbolt/USB-C ports. Using the 6 pin connectors is not necessary.
This worked, thanks! Enabled the use of an Asus MB169C+ USB-C external monitor that I plan to mount to the side of the Mac Pro tower.
 

AliGT83

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what is the best way to have full usb 2.0 functionality through this titan ridge card?
 

joevt

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what is the best way to have full usb 2.0 functionality through this titan ridge card?
You need two USB 2.0 ports - on for each Thunderbolt port. So maybe you should use a hub if you don't want to take away two ports from the Mac Pro. The hub should be powered so the ports of the hub have the same power as from the Mac Pro. The hub should be USB 2.0 because 3.0 would be a waste.

The "Aquacomputer HUBBY7 internal USB 2.0 Hub (53230)" is a 7 port hub using a single 5 pin connector (half of a 9 pin). It can be powered by USB alone or 5V from a SATA connection. The 7 ports are connected to a single hub (I think this is preferable to some 7 port hubs that use two 4 port hubs connected together). It can be mounted to a ATX motherboard using standoffs and screws or mounted anywhere using velcro strips. Read the manual to see how power is divided among the 7 ports.

The NZXT internal USB hub has 8 ports. It uses a 9 pin connector where each 5 pin is connected to a 4 hub port. Two 9 pins are connected to one hub. Two Type-A and the 9 pin next to them are connected to the other hub. It has a magnetic bottom for mounting inside a computer case (magnet is not very strong so maybe use some double sided tape or velcro).

Any other USB 2.0 hub can work as well. You just need to get the right cables and decide how you want to connect it.

There are a few options for connecting:

1) I don't think the Mac Pro has standard 9 pin or 5 pin USB 2.0 headers so you might have to do some splicing into the wires for one of the front USB ports (5V, D+, D-, Ground) or both ports if you want to enable both hubs in the NZXT hub.

2) Connect a USB Type A to 5 pin header cable between one of the USB 2.0 ports of the Mac Pro and the internal USB hub. You'll need a hole for the cable.

3) Use a PCIe card with internal USB ports (this is a waste of a PCIe slot).
 

cdf

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Enabling USB 2.0 seems like a very interesting project, and I have been contemplating it myself.

The card expects to be connected to a standard 9 pin motherboard USB header, which the cMP doesn't have. The header consists of two rows. Each row includes the usual 4 pins for a single USB connection, and 1 pin is unconnected. So, to enable USB 2.0, we need 2 USB ports.

The excellent post above provided three options for sourcing these ports. The first option, however, I believe is problematic: splicing to the front panel (even from the inside) still uses up the ports, and I am hesitant to believe that the panel has two untapped internal ports. A fourth option is to use the small internal header intended for bluetooth.

The bluetooth header is located on the backplane board. It could be connected to a small 1-to- (at least) 3 hub, which would maintain the USB connection to the bluetooth/Wi-Fi card and provide the two needed for the Titan Ridge card. Regarding power, the bluetooth header provides 500 mA total. If more is needed, an available SATA port could be used to power a powered hub.
 

joevt

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The excellent post above provided three options for sourcing these ports. The first option, however, I believe is problematic: splicing to the front panel (even from the inside) still uses up the ports, and I am hesitant to believe that the panel has two untapped internal ports. A fourth option is to use the small internal header intended for bluetooth.
I meant for the splice to source a hub or (two hubs in the case of something like the NZXT), then the hub can output two ports to the GC-TITAN RIDGE, and one port to the front panel (or two ports to the front panel in the case of the NZXT).

In the case of the NZXT, I suppose one port can be the source of the first hub, then the second hub can be sourced by a port of the first hub, making in effect a standard 7 port hub. A female 5 pin to female 5 pin is required for that.

Anyone have photos of how the front panel ports connect to the Mac Pro motherboard? I found this:
1,1-(3,1) Pro: Logic Board Replacement - Mac Pro Series ep.31

which shows "FP USB" on a MacPro1,1 motherboard using something that looks like a SATA connector. I think SATA is an appropriate connector/cable as only 480 Mbps is required for USB 2.0 (SATA starts at 1.5 Gbps) and the 7 pin connector has four pins for two data pairs (D+,D-) and three ground pins. I don't know if one of those is used for 5V or if 5V is obtained from elsewhere. Anyway, you can buy a SATA cable of any length you need, with a left or right or straight angle connector (whatever will fit). Cut one end. Use a volt meter to see if one of the wires is 5V. Add a USB 9 pin connector. Do this twice if both sides are SATA. Then connect both 9 pins to internal hub. Use a male 5 pin to male 5 pin and a male 5 pin to female 5 pin if you want one port to bypass the hub.
 

AliGT83

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Would something like this work?

https://www.amazon.com/Vanpower-Female-Motherboard-Adapter-Bracket/dp/B0752JTTWZ

So my idea is to get that one and then get two custom length USB A to USB A and connect them to the back usb ports of the Mac Pro. I don't use those ports as much as I have a ten-port usb 3.0 hub which I would like to use through the titan ridge card. But at the moment it doesn't recognize usb 2.0 devices. (i.e iPhone, iPad, some flash drives, etc)
 
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